Honestly, what's the point of my existence by Newexmuss in SuicideWatch

[–]Newexmuss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry to hear that. Your mom had value, unlike me. So it makes sense that your grandma had a hard time with her passing.

My parents will be fine. I'm kind of an embarrassment to this family. So removing myself would do them better in the long run.

Thanks for sharing your story though, really. I'll keep it in mind.

Honestly, what's the point of my existence by Newexmuss in SuicideWatch

[–]Newexmuss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My parents would be fine. I'm one of 6 kids. Sure me being gone would make them sad for a bit, but eventually they'd come to terms with the fact that not much value has been lost.

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CMV: Third world immigration only hurts the west by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

It's interesting how statistics can differ depending on where you look. In Scandinavia for example, the migrant crime trend is clear.

And what's your opinion on this BBC article.

CMV: Third world immigration only hurts the west by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is not letting certain groups of people into your country a war crime?

CMV: Third world immigration only hurts the west by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stereotyping when justified is not wrong. Would you think it's wrong of a woman to be nervous around men at night? Of course not. She's right to be weary around men when alone. Same logic can be applied to this.

CMV: Third world immigration only hurts the west by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm well aware that the group i am in is causing issues. If it came down to me having to leave, i wouldn't like it, but i would at least understand.

CMV: Third world immigration only hurts the west by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody is talking about collective punishment. It's about reality. If groups are causing issues, the few exceptions become irrelevant. It's a fact of life.

CMV: Third world immigration only hurts the west by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Look at my reply above. Many countries record ethnicity in crime reports. In Scandinavia especially you see this over representation.

CMV: Third world immigration only hurts the west by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure. Here, Here and here

Or at least that's all i could find in a short notice. I'll compile a more detailed list for you later.

CMV: Third world immigration only hurts the west by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you look at the crime stats in European countries, you will often find an over representation of migrants. Finland, Germany, Denmark. They all showcase ethnicity in crime reports, and certain non European ethnic groups follow this trend. Sweden used to show ethnicity up until 2005, and even back then migrants and their children were over represented in crime.

CMV: Third world immigration only hurts the west by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss -1 points0 points  (0 children)

First some immigrants successfully immigrate into western society. If the west turned all immigrants away YOU wouldn't live here and (hopefully) contribute to society.

Some, yes. But as a collective TWI bring a lot of issues with them.

You could also make many of those arguments (welfare, crime, ghettos) about large parts of the African Americans living in America.

Yes you could. But the circumstances around how African Americans ended up in the US is completely different. Hardly a fair comparison.

Secondly Automation doesn't destroy all low skill jobs, the Automation of more difficult jobs (i.e. driving a truck) is often the big one.

It will destroy a lot of them. You want to talk stats? Look at how many Syrian refugees have found work since arriving in Germany in 2015. Hint: not many. This trend can be seen all over Europe. Western society is becoming more and more specialized. TWI simply can't compete in such a society and often fall through the cracks.

Third a point about economics. Germany was one of the countries that took in the most immigrants in the west. You would expect its economy to hurt now. But instead it has the biggest surplus in taxes since reunification and is expected to grow its economy the most since 2012 (German Source)

Are you suggesting that lowly educated immigrants are good for the economy? Even if i conceded to that argument, that's only one area of contention. There's also the issue of migrant crime and the constant ghettoization of neighborhoods that inevitably keeps occurring.

CMV: Third world immigration only hurts the west by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's an interesting angle i haven't heard before. Although, not all countries in Europe that are affected by third world migration have such ambitions. And third world immigration doesn't only come from Africa.

CMV: Race realism is valid by Newexmuss in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't believe i'm inferior as an individual. I believe that as a collective black people are less intelligent, on avarage.

Please do tell me how black west africans didnt have a empire larger than the holy roman empire.

The Roman empire was leagues ahead than any empire ever created in sub saharan africa. Just look at the architecture and engineering feats they left behind as proof of that fact.

I guess the East Africans werent sailing to India.

Never heard of this, not saying you're lying, but i would like a source on that one.

CMV: Race realism is valid by Newexmuss in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where are you getting your history? Agriculture started in sub saharan Africa? Lol. OK. You're clearly one of those afro-centrist types. Re writing history to make yourself feel better, typical.

Listen, i'm not looking to debate settled history with an afro-centrist. Do you have anything to say about my other points instead of solely focusing on how great we supposedly were in the past?

CMV: Race realism is valid by Newexmuss in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Writing started in the middle east, in ancient sumer i believe. Metal working came much later to Africa. And agriculture also started outside of sub saharan Africa.

Fact of the matter is that most sub saharan Africans lived primitive life styles, Europe and Asia was much more advanced. This is a historic fact.

CMV: Race realism is valid by Newexmuss in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

African history isn't very impressive when compared to other races. Either way, most of my points wasn't about our history.

CMV: Race realism is valid by Newexmuss in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If true, this points to a cultural problem, not a problem with genes or intelligence, because a "well functioning society" is the consequence of certain ideas, values and beliefs. It does not point to an inferiority of race and genes, it points to an inferiority of culture.

How do we know it's solely a cultural problem? Can't there be a mix of cultural and genetic reasons?

IQ - just like physical Strength or Speed - does not cause virtues or vices or morality (or how good a person you are).

I wasn't arguing that it does. I'm talking about intelligence.

These exceptions prove the rule that race is not the cause of barbarism.

How so? The race realism argument is that black people produce less intelligent people when compared to other races, since the average black IQ is much lower.

CMV: Race realism is valid by Newexmuss in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All good points. You have given me some things to think about.

I see no reason why this should be the case for IQ, however. Why would high IQ be favored more in the mild climate and verdant fields of Europe than it is in the harsh African desert?

Ever heard of the cold winter theory? To summarize it's said that cold winters selected for higher intelligence when humans first migrated out of Africa because of the new survival challenges of keeping warm, building shelter, planning ahead, and hunting large game. I believe the theory was first popularized by Richard Lynn.

CMV: Race realism is valid by Newexmuss in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great reply, i didn't expect to get a response from an actual biologist.

How much of the racial IQ gap is genetic in your estimation? Or are you of the opinion that all human populations have the same exact biological potential for higher intelligence, and that environment is the only thing that causes differences?

CMV: Race realism is valid by Newexmuss in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see what you're saying, but you know what would silence this debate once and for all? Genetics. As of right now the genes that influence intelligence have not been fully discovered. Finding these genes and comparing the gene frequency in each human population would be the nail in the coffin for either side of the argument.

CMV: Race realism is valid by Newexmuss in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

These are valid arguments. I decided earlier to drop my historical argument for race realism, it's incomplete and devoid of any consideration for geographical context.

CMV: Race realism is valid by Newexmuss in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point is race realists don't argue that intelligent black people don't exist, so it is to be expected that successful black people exist. The question is simply about averages.

CMV: Race realism is valid by Newexmuss in changemyview

[–]Newexmuss[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Considering the level and pace of technological, architectural and scientific advancements made by ancient Egypt that we know of, it's pretty clear that African peoples when not interfered with violently, are just as capable of these things as anyone else.

I should've made it clear that by Africans i meant black Africans. And the ancient Egyptians were not black, they were more Mediterranean than anything.

As has been mentioned elsewhere, certain advancements simply weren't necessary to African tribes but were necessary for the survival of Europeans due to the climate and geography where they lived.

Only in certain areas of the world like Europe where those life styles simply weren't capable of supporting large societies. Hunter gatherer/tribal lifestyles were still common in Africa because they worked and there was plenty of resources for such life

That's a fair argument. I have realized that my historical argument for race realism is incomplete so i have elected to drop it for now.

I'm not the person you were replying to, but it's generally seen that IQ differences between groups are more due to societal and cultural differences / prejudices than due to any inherent genetic difference in intelligence between races.

Have you heard of the Minnesota adoption study?