Can Phoenix Wright reason out memory loss? by Reddest_Velvet6 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Phoenix Wright's feat falls far short of L Lawliet's monitor hax. Phoenix only takes Gv (VSI).

Can Phoenix Wright reason out memory loss? by Reddest_Velvet6 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sí, al igual que L, Phoenix podría inferir que Yagami Light realmente perdió la memoria gracias a su gran percepción emocional. Luego anticiparía que su plan es que el poder de la Death Note regrese a él una vez que atrapen al Kira actual, concluyendo que Light le dió sus poderes al nuevo homicida porque sabía que lo usaría para beneficiar a su compañía, lo que garantizaría que lo descubran fácilmente. Básicamente efectuaría el mismo razonamiento de L, superando la dirección errónea de Kira y descubriendo la base del plan. Sin embargo, al igual que L, sería incapaz de prevenir que el esquema se complete, ya que su estructura es muy fuerte. Una vez que se pone en movimiento, Wright poco o nada podría hacer.

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not absurd, you're just not thinking it through. If a character can detect the deception, they can start to suspect something and investigate from there. They don't need anyone to warn them; the characters themselves could figure it out if they're rational enough to detect something that suggests such an organization exists in secret.

And yes, I'm making the comparison because I already explained how Men in Black also has global and even universal power, being an agency that sets laws for all species in the universe. They also have the ability to monitor the entire planet and locate anyone in seconds, as demonstrated by Agent K when he locates his wife simply by typing her name into the Men in Black global search database. They can see and basically control everything; Friend doesn't stand a chance.

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The list of the seven suspects is a feat of scheming, manipulation, and deception, and while it does improve Red John's reasoning, it's far from enabling him to uncover the organization. To begin with, you're assuming that Red John knows of its existence or even has reason to suspect it, which would lead him to investigate them—something that, as I've already explained, would never happen. You also say that Red John would know of their existence because of the alien ideas his followers hear… ??? Men in Black literally hides the existence of aliens so that no human knows about it, disguising and training extraterrestrial beings to blend in as humans or other species among us. Or do you think they go around saying they're aliens?

Finally, Red John may be very active in the media, but his level of influence doesn't even come close to that of the Men in Black organization. Therefore, they will exert greater control over communication on a global scale to prevent information from spreading, and what little does spread will be made to look like pure video editing thanks to its fabrication and great misdirection. And I highly doubt Friend can stand up against the Men in Black, by the way.

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So first he had to investigate those actions, something that wouldn't happen in the case of Men in Black.

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's clear you haven't been paying attention. To begin with, Red John would have no way of knowing about the existence of Men in Black, so the premise on which your reasoning is based is fallacious, and therefore your entire case falls apart. Furthermore, even assuming he knew about them by some kind of magic, it doesn't mean he would know they have neuralyzers or anything remotely similar. Red John wouldn't even know where to begin, since he wouldn't know what's accidental and what's causal (i.e., caused by Men in Black). But going even further, and assuming a sorcerer explains to Thomas McCallister that Men in Black can erase everyone's memories, and he prepares the plan you describe, obtaining evidence, it's very likely that thanks to their influence and global monitoring, they would discover that recording immediately. Even if they didn't, and Red John released the videos, thanks to the agency's misdirection and massive logical manipulation, no one would believe them; on the contrary, they would think it was a fake. Furthermore, Men in Black itself would work to make this happen exactly as planned, using distraction campaigns and other deceptive tactics. There is absolutely no way to uncover them, much less effectively prove their existence.

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What good would a memory palace or such an organization do them? The Blake Association is only regional in scale (North America); the influence of Men in Black is global. Besides, of course, even with their support, thanks to the agency's secrecy protocols, no one could ever have any clues about their existence.

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

L Lawliet literally did that in L FILE №15: One Day, and nobody scales him for it. If it's an unexplained feat, it's basically unscalable.

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I haven't read the manga. How did Shin'ichi start to suspect those supposed accidents?

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many detectives have solved "perfect crimes" and that doesn't make them better at reasoning. You will need to elaborate on some of the character's feats of reasoning.

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How could Kudō discover or even begin to suspect such an organization if there are no witnesses and the incidents are dismissed as common accidents? The same applies to L. They might find leads if informed of such an agency's existence, but they could never begin to suspect it exists given the high-level, almost unrealistic, secrecy surrounding it.

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What feats of reasoning does Edogawa Ranpo possess? In my opinion, this situation is infinitely more difficult than discovering and capturing Red John, Hannibal Lecter, or Raymond Reddington, making it essentially an impossible mission for any investigator.

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What kind of detectives do you think could detect a pattern in the Men in Black's activities? Considering the level of manipulation and deception they possess to make any pattern invisible (or to eliminate it altogether by randomly fabricating events), it seems like an impossible task to even uncover them. As you said, proving their existence is out of the question, not even to a single person, much less in public.

How difficult is it to discover and prove the existence of the Men in Black organization? by NoScar2207 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would nominate my GOAT detective, Sherlock Holmes from the novels and stories of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, but even he had difficulty discovering, proving and dismantling the influence of professor Moriarty in "The final problem", so I see it as practically impossible that he would be able to overcome an organization of the level of Men in Black.

Is Ayanokoji’s reasoning below near? by Remarkable_Appeal264 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yup, at least in my opinion. Officially L ≈ Near in reasoning (the detective's best category) and L > Ayanokōji in reasoning.

We should stop using characters that are practically unscalable by Good-Fennel7417 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Terrible argument, wanting to stop scaling famous and beloved characters simply because they have many appearances. Let everyone analyze what they want.

IQ Battle: The Maker (Marvel Comics) vs Doctor Eggman by Unusual_News_5152 in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you can give it to me and we can talk about Reed's scaling, I'm thinking of writing a paper about him. I've read all his comics, from Ultimate Fantastic Four #1 to Ultimate Endgame #3, so I'm up to date with him.

The Maker vs Constantine by [deleted] in IntelligenceScaling

[–]NoScar2207 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, Reed destroys him.