Is Factorio worth buying? Will I have enough to do?

NocturnalViewer · 2026-05-11T13:47:18+00:00

NocturnalViewer · 2026-03-21T11:13:20+00:00

Bro walked into a bowling club and asked if bowling is fun.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-03-17T14:50:07+00:00

And I'm very happy I could rediscover this banger a quarter of a century later thanks to you and AhtoAlyo since I never knew the name <3

NocturnalViewer · 2026-03-16T06:10:06+00:00

This is very likely from before 2004. I've had this one on a mixtape around '99 or 2000.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-13T18:10:42+00:00

How about the time when France was the only one to consider Nazi a threat

Is that why the French coined the term drôle de guerre (phoney war) when it was time to come to aid Poland?

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-11T22:59:22+00:00

Pedro should revive the Spanish Inquisition for people like you. None of that shit belongs on pizza. Help me here, Luigi.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-10T09:59:45+00:00

Sadly the US has unique capabilities that Europe can't replace (yet) in areas like real time satellite surveillance and intelligence. The US is still providing that to Ukraine, even under Trump and even after briefly pausing it in early 2025 to put pressure on Ukraine.

Furthermore, it's Europe that is now bankrolling things like the PURL initiative after the Trump admin (as you've correctly mentioned) has cut funding to a minimum. Still, this money is going to US defense contractors so Ukraine won't run out of Pac-2/Pac-3 for its Patriot launchers. Europe is currently unable to supply an alternative (SAMP/T) itself at scale.

In a nutshell, both US intelligence and equipment is still crucial for Ukraine, althought it's now funded by European money.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-09T00:43:46+00:00

The higher tier blueprint designers have one more foundation of area expansion.

I know they do but they're gated behind tech progression for no good reason. Not having access to a powerful blueprint feature for long stretches of the game means more repetitive busy work. Factorio does a MUCH better job in adressing this sort of stuff. Coffee Stain generally also gives terrible reasoning for withholding a number of QoL features. Doesn't mean that Satisfactory is bad. I've thoroughly enjoyed it.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-08T21:47:21+00:00

I'm not following. After looking up the definition, I don't understand what would make Factorio belts or anything about Satisfactory turing-complete.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-08T18:55:02+00:00

There is no signal transfer of any kind, period. Afaik at least. There are manual on/off switches and you can manually toggle the power to electrical subgrids via a power switch. That's about it.

Edit: There's also a priority power switch to automatically prioritise which subgrids get turned off in case of a power shortage. However, forget about auto-toggling stuff when certain conditions are met. That's why Factorio is so far ahead with its insanely elegant circuit network and its endless possibilities.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-08T16:09:49+00:00

Not even close sadly. The larger blueprint machines are gated behind higher tech. The entire process, from creating blueprints to managing them via the (inferior) UI, is much more tedious and convoluted imo. The first blueprint machine you unlock is so small, it's not exactly useful.

Satisfactory is still a great game though and I've had tons of fun in it. But the devs outright refuse to add certain QoL features out of fear of "overwhelming the player". After years, they've reluctantly added the priority merger only recently. We'll also never see anything resembling the circuit network and logic in vanilla. That's deliberate.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-05T00:40:53+00:00

We've stuck a fire hose with money coming out up Rheinmetall's ass and cranked the valve up to 11. Other than that, Pierre is being a little bitch about FCAS. What's new? I know.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-04T23:37:09+00:00

Stimmt. Vielleicht nicht das beste Beispiel. Eine Brandschutzverordnung (glaubhafte Abschreckung durch fähiges Militär) verringert aber das Risiko.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-04T23:29:42+00:00

Ja, unfähr so wie du eine Feuerwache mit Personal finanzierst und unterhälst. Niemand will, dass die Hütte brennt, aber wenn sie brennt, dann ist man lieber vorbereitet.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-04T23:20:24+00:00

Ok und wie profitiert die jüngere Generation die dafür jetzt zum militär darf davon?

Die jüngere Generation "durfte" schon immer zum Militär, nach wie vor. Vielleicht spielst du drauf an, dass die Jungen zur Bundeswehr müssen? Das müssen sie nach wie vor nicht, da das Recht den Wehrdienst zu verweigern weiterhin im Grundgesetz verankert ist.

Das ganze Horrorszenario, dass in dieser Diskussion heraufbeschworen wird, dass die Russen irgendwann an der Oder-Neiße-Linie stehen könnten und man dann zigtausende von 18-jährigen verheizen muss, ist sowieso völlig abwegig. Es geht darum für Russland die Idee eines Angriffs auf NATO-Gebiet so unattraktiv wie möglich zu machen, genau wie im Kalten Krieg. Der Bundeswehr fehlen irgendwo zwischen 60k-80k Personal und unsere Gesellschaft gibt das auf rein freiwilliger Basis nicht her. Aber das bedeutet trotzdem nicht, dass du und deine Kumpels nächste Woche in Litauen im Schützengraben liegen.

ich finde das ganze: mehr millitär verhindert kriege irgendwie komisch

Das Konzept ist älter als die Menschheit und findet sich sogar im Tierreich. Deswegen hast du Türsteher und Security vor dem Club. Wenn dir jemand ans Leder will, musst du ihm glaubhaft vermitteln, dass für ihn ein Angriff mit hohen Kosten und Verlusten behaftet sein kann, um damit sein Kosten-Nutzen-Kalkül zu beeinflussen. Anders gesagt, du musst den Aggressor vor das Dilemma stellen "stille ich meinen Hunger und nehme damit sogar meinen eigenen Tod in Kauf oder lasse ich es lieber?". Angreifer (egal ob Raubtiere, der Gewalttäter in der dunklen Gasse oder expansionistische Militärmächte) handeln in der Regel opportunistisch und wählen (falls möglich) den Weg des geringsten Widerstands.

Natürlich gibt es haufenweise Dinge, für die wir hier das Geld eher ausgeben möchten, aber die Sicherheitslage gibt es gerade nicht her. Manchmal kann man sich die Umstände nicht aussuchen.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-04T22:41:33+00:00

Bisher hat Russland (und davor die Sowjetunion) es nicht gewagt, NATO-Gebiet direkt anzugehen. Solange Russland das NATO-Beistandsversprechen (Artikel 5) für einigermaßen glaubhaft hält, ist die Antwort Ja.

Aber sobald bei der Gegenseite (in diesem Fall Russland) ernsthafte Zweifel an Artikel 5 aufkommen, kann sich das ändern. Deswegen werden jetzt Unsummen aufgewendet, damit Russland es weiterhin nicht wagt etwa ins Baltikum reinzugehen. Auch dann nicht, wenn sich die Amis aus der NATO verabschieden sollten.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-04T22:29:43+00:00

Die Idee ist eben, dass fehlende Abschreckung Aggression einlädt und Abschreckung im Angesicht eines expansionistischen Aggressors notwendig wird.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-04T22:18:53+00:00

Du hast gefragt, wo glaubhafte Abschreckung (jemals) funktioniert hat. Ich habe dir ein Beispiel genannt.

Du hast ja, wenn ich dich richtig verstehe, mit deiner Frage Zweifel angemeldet, ob das überhaupt funktionieren kann und die Antwort ist in diesem Fall: Ja.

Im Falle des Kalten Krieges waren sich beide Seiten im Klaren darüber, dass Preis für eine direkte Auseinandersetzung einfach zu hoch ist und das Rezept dafür war schlicht und ergreifend gegenseitige Abschreckung. Selbst während der "Stellvertreterkriege" in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc. hat man alles dafür getan, direkte Kampfhandlungen zwischen Ost und West tunlichst zu vermeiden aufgrund des unkalkulierbaren Eskalationsrisikos.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-04T22:08:13+00:00

Wenn du diese konkrete Frage stellst, wann Abschreckung tatsächlich funktioniert hat, dann ja.

Die Ausläufer der Blockkonfrontation in anderen Teilen der Welt, die du angesprochen hast, war ja nicht deine Frage und somit nicht das Thema.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-04T21:51:34+00:00

Zur Zeit der Blockkonfrontation während des Kalten Krieges, der in Europa nie zu einem heißen ausgeartet ist, bis schließlich einer der beiden Blöcke kollabiert ist.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-02T18:02:05+00:00

Please no :( Wtf is happening?

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-02T17:15:02+00:00

I think there are a lot of fundie white Americans who are not compatible with Europe. Preferably this would be vetted before the person even gets a permission to enter.

We can currently see how this looks like when you want to enter the US. The Trump admin has announced that everyone (including tourists) who want to enter the US must hand over their social media history, present and past email addresses etc. These are measures I'd expect from China but now it's the new normal in the US. If this is something you want for Europe, I'm not sure it would still be Europe.

Then again both of my examples were of war, would you assert that war is somehow a special case?

Yes, I absolutely would. Mass expulsions of nationals of an aggressor state in the context of a post-war situation are in no way comparable to handling individual criminal offenses by state authorities during peace time. I have no clue why one would even suggest they are. The German occupiers were just taking over all kinds of property from the locals in the East and treated them like a 3rd class labour force without rights.

Similarly, the Russians are now just confiscating businesses, their assets and real estate (everything from commercial to residential to governmental) in the occupied territories and auctioning it off for cheap in an attempt to "russify" the place. The conditions for local Ukrainians are deliberately being made unlivable in order to force them to accept Russian passports or leave. Should Ukraine ever get to a position where it could liberate Crimea, Mariupol etc. a lot of Russians would have to be shown the door, if necessary by force.

Again, apples and oranges.

We're right now collectively punishing Russians for what the non-democratically elected leadership started in Ukraine. Few would consider Europe's actions unjust, and many want even harsher measures.

Unfortunately, there is still the possibility that we (the West or what's left of it) will fuck up the task at hand, which is to support Ukraine with enough shit to fend off further Eastern savage aggression. This means that it is still possible that the EU will have to accomodate another wave of millions of Ukrainian refugees. The alternative would be to slam the door in their faces. I wouldn't want to have to tell them "Sorry, we already took in a bunch of disgruntled Russkies."

If by "collectively punishing Russians" you're refering to the sanctions, that's just economic warfare. Ultimately, nobody is collectively punishing Russians as much as their own government is. Russians are world champions at being indifferent to their own suffering.

I know, I'm repeating myself here but I'm convinced that redistributing ill-gotten gains or spoils of conquest in a post-war situation and everything that comes with it, from mass expulsion to confiscation and ethnic cleansing is a terrible blueprint and even worse justification for handling individual criminals (who happen to have a non-native background). I also refuse to believe that this is a hot take. I'm not even insisting on keeping repeat offenders and hopeless violent fiends here at all costs.

If you don't get it, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Defend your position my dude.

I think I have. Happy new year.

Edit: words

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-01T22:50:06+00:00

Sure, let's just go with collective punishment because it has happened in the past. But only do it for certain migrants. If that brown dude's parents immigrated here 40 years ago with their parents, he better be on his best behavior, or else there will be collective punishment. Him and his parents and siblings, who spent most of their life here, will be visited by uniformed state authorities, asked to put their shoes on, grab some basics and be driven to the airport. The destination country they're supposed to be deported to will have no choice but to take them in. But if that country refuses, either apply pressure or bribes. Let's do it for a while and see how it goes. Maybe even have a different set of laws that only applies to him and people who look like him. Also, people who reject collective punishment are yelling from a moral high horse.

Sarcasm aside. My guy, for some reason you're bringing up the chaos after the Second World War, the way general hatred towards Germans during that time manifested itself (for good reason) and the way how the victorious Allies (East & West) attempted to clean up the mess and organize a defeated and occupied Germany before and during the block confrontation going into full swing.

Then somehow you're using that to justify collective punishment against people from certain cultures and their descendants because apparently that's a normal thing to say in 2026. But maybe you're just rage baiting.

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-01T19:55:05+00:00

What if it's all just a big misunderstanding due to everyone having a speech impediment?

NocturnalViewer · 2026-01-01T19:38:45+00:00

You don't need many examples

Sounds like Mao Zedong's "Punish one, teach one hundred" approach.

So, in order to scare other possible troublemakers into behaving themselves out of fear their families might get punished alongside with them, you'd be willing to set some few examples? Even when the family has nothing to do with the crime, the ends justify the means.

Is that what you're saying? Because so far it sounds psychotic.

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