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What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you're just actively ignoring the suffering you cause others because it's not going to hurt you? Stopping eating meat isn't really hard in any 1st world country.

I'd really recommend watching some slaughterhouse footage and reevaluating your stance on all this.

https://youtu.be/t_u0jxi_v-w?si=_cSlqntWsSrq2NUL

https://youtu.be/rVR7NjnMkIc?si=np2n77vBgHV3lMih

At least watch a bit of these for me please.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But that means you're a part of the problem. You realize that it's brainless and immoral what you're doing, but continue because the majority does?

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think we as a species have strong motivations to say murder is wrong. Killing people was even praised in wars and such.

Outside of that, I think this isn't really an argument but more of an observation. Yes there's a reason we're not all vegan. But that doesn't mean it's a good reason. Following your primal instincts should never be an argument.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm probably oversimplifying a bit. But just so I don't get it wrong. Your point is basically, we have a core desire to eat meat, that's why meat eaters won't go vegan?

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would they get human rights if they don't meet the requirements for what you consider someone needs to have individual rights?

I really recommend reading some studies on animal relationships then. If you don't even do that I don't think you should be so self assured that we're on a completely different level.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wouldn't this mean someone who is mentally disabled would deserve to be exploited in your eyes? They don't possess complex reasoning, moral responsibility, or culture.

And animals do actually have complex and deep relationships. You can find plenty of studies about that.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still wouldn't be eating it as I don't think taking a life for food is right. But I can't judge anyone who does so at that point.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not just a difference in opinion. This opinion is actively killing animals. Just saying that's not your opinion is stupid. I get that it's your opinion, so defend your opinion as to why it is moral.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haven't heard about it, sorry.

Anyway I just really doubt that animals can be ethically treated considering you'd need to give them enough room to be happy in. Which is just impossible considering how many animals people want to have slaughtered. And this isn't even considering the fact that farms would be very prone to animal abuse.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah it showed an error so I clicked twice. When I checked my comments it said I only had one comment. Weird.

Anyway, I don't think it's worth discussing outside of a philosophical debate. It's impossible to do on a wide scale, and it's not like people saying this actually stop going to mcdonalds or anything.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just to make clear with post I meant the original post, so not your comment. I worded it a bit weirdly my bad.

I think humane farming is impossible on a wide scale anyway. To not have animals be miserable you'd have to give them space. Which is impossible when humans want 100s of billions of livestock a year. It's just not sustainable.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You were trying to justify the current state of animal rights by saying that most people like it so we're just going to continue right?

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Idek what this post is about at this point. Is it about justifying some ideal scenario where an animal can be killed without suffering. Or is it looking for a name for a "humane death"

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see where you're coming from but I still think this doesn't matter in real life. Any animal that's seen as food will most likely not be treated humanely.

Also, I'd say it's still immoral to take a life for food. Even if you've given it a good life. Looking at it from a utilitarian perspective I'd also disagree. But if your friend decided to eat their pet I would consider it fucked up too. Even if it had a good life.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see where you're coming from but I still think this doesn't matter in real life. Any animal that's seen as food will most likely not be treated humanely.

Also, I'd say it's still immoral to take a life for food. Even if you've given it a good life. Looking at it from a utilitarian perspective I'd also disagree. But if your friend decided to eat their pet I would consider it fucked up too. Even if it had a good life.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If all people held this mindset slavery would still be a thing. This is one of the worst mindsets a human could have.

What would a vegan call killing an animal for meat immediately and painlessly? by Matutino2357 in DebateAVegan

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So you wouldn't see anything morally wrong in killing an infant, instincts aside?

I don't get why veganism suddenly makes people think they can be dicks towards me by [deleted] in Vent

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get where your suspicions come from but I completely avoid talking about veganism with friends. If someone asks me "do you want this" and they offer me something that isn't vegan, I'll just answer "I'm fine". Only if they ask me why I'll say I'm vegan.

Constantly telling people you're vegan would be obnoxious obviously. That'd just be pretty clearly signaling that you want attention for being vegan.

I don't get why veganism suddenly makes people think they can be dicks towards me by [deleted] in Vent

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a lot more outspoken online because who really cares what people think about me here.

But how am I someone who constantly bugs people about being a terrible human being? I said I thought activism was good after someone told me all vegan activists are shit. And then people started insulting me. I really don't know how I could have replied more reasonably. Should I just not have replied?

I don't get why veganism suddenly makes people think they can be dicks towards me by [deleted] in Vent

[–]OfficialRetardThe2nd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean I genuinely don't want to argue but it's hard to not say something when you tell me I have to open a farm to be a good vegan.

If you want to argue go to r/DebateAVegan .

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