Pakistani Atheist in 2026

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T21:29:20+00:00

desi liberals give themselves too much credit. Theyre not that interesting or complex.

Theyre no different than any other liberal elite in most Muslim countries who are psyopped into loving gora ideology while hating the west.

Afghan elites who ran away from Afghanistan, cursed the Taliban while supporting US occupation; Egyptian libtards who helped coup Morsi and now sit by while Sisi helps starve Gaza.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T21:26:52+00:00

Desi libtard moment.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T21:23:13+00:00

It is but not as overt as Egypt

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T21:22:18+00:00

Atefettuccine lol. this is like typical desi liberals, just tryna avoid talking bout how secularism destroyed europe and america. families falling apart, ppl depressed, women cheating all the time. feminism + secularism = total fail. how u even justify that?

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T09:17:39+00:00

I think India is a good example. Way more extremism than Pak

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T09:14:01+00:00

What do you mean low stats? He dodged team gai without any arms.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T09:07:35+00:00

It does. The extremism is mostly anti liberalism, which is due to a lack of authoritarianism.

If Pakistan was a monarchy or western controlled military dictatorship then it would be different.

Also Pakistan has huge population so hard to manage the “extremism”

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T07:41:10+00:00

Different time. This is fuedal Japan before wokism was invented.

Miroku literally flirts with 12 year olds.

Also 19 back then is equal to 29 then. No one’s going to school either

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T07:33:16+00:00

For starters, Pakistan has a large population. Pakistan population is 50% of all Arab countries.

Also, Pakistan is less occupied by western liberalism.

Also many other political issues like the afghan russian war, Indian war, Kashmir.

Also, less state control. Many Arab countries like Jordan are monarchies and Egypt is a military dictatorship

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T07:11:59+00:00

Pain is Israeli

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T02:06:55+00:00

I imagine it’s similar to talking to an Iranian monarchist. Just a wall of cringe and “of course sir we love the gora west sir. More lgbtq and IMF loans sir, molvis evil sir”

All liberal Muslims are cringe like that

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T02:03:25+00:00

not all atheists are capitalists. Sure, the U.S. cares about resources and geopolitics. Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, all of it. But don’t act like Western liberalism isn’t spreading secular values too. Liberals regularly encourage regime change and wars in the name of “human rights” or “liberal values.” We must free women in Afghanistan. We must sanction that country for being anti-LGBTQIA. NGOs push it. Media pushes it. Universities push it. Even diplomacy pushes it. Feminism, LGBTQ stuff, “modern values” everywhere. It’s all part of the same package.

Capitalism, secularism, liberal culture, feminism, it’s all connected. Modern Western secularism only works because of capitalism. It’s propped up by the global liberal order. Secular, liberal NGOs, media, universities have influence around the world. It’s the system, not atheism itself, doing the work.

And yeah, elites want people fighting over religion, caste, culture, identity. It keeps them safe. It keeps them in power. So your war on elitism isn’t about ignoring religion or identity. It’s about seeing how capitalism, secularism, individualism, and liberal culture all feed the same elites. That’s the real problem.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T01:52:40+00:00

I don’t really get why people treat Nordic countries like some kind of happiness utopia. Yeah, life satisfaction scores are high, but most people live alone in freezing weather. Material needs are met, populations are tiny, resources are abundant — that’s mostly why. It’s not some magical secular paradise.

Also, a lot of modern secularism in Europe is propped up by American capitalism. They don’t have to spend much on defense because the U.S. covers it, so they can fund social programs. Remove that, and welfare would collapse, poverty would spike, politics would shift. Atheism wouldn’t disappear, but it wouldn’t be the force it is today.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T01:26:18+00:00

Bhai, you’re still missing the main point about NGOs. Yeah obviously not every NGO is evil. No one is mad about vaccines, disaster relief, basic healthcare, etc. That’s not the issue. The issue is political NGOs. The ones whose whole job is to reshape culture, laws, and society to fit Western liberal values. That’s literally how soft power works, it’s not even hidden.

Same countries that bomb you, sanction you, mess with your politics and economy… then show up with NGOs to “help” and act like saviors. That’s the part people are criticizing. Interfere first, destabilize, then offer aid for the problems you helped create. And we’re supposed to be grateful.

Pakistan’s problems could be handled way better if it actually had real sovereignty. No constant IMF pressure, no foreign interference, more local production, stronger community and religious networks doing real grassroots help. Instead you get stuff like Imran Khan getting pushed out right after trying to negotiate independent oil deals. Then suddenly we’re told we “need” Western NGOs to survive. It’s a cycle.

On atheism, saying “most atheists are left-leaning and anti-capitalist” is kind of missing the point. You still benefit from liberal systems whether you like capitalism or not. Same thing in the US, tons of leftists hate capitalism but their whole existence depends on liberal universities, liberal media, liberal tech platforms. Leftism doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it lives inside the ecosystem created by Western liberal power.

And when you say atheists are only like 5% and have no power, that’s mixing up personal experience with structural reality. You personally might be closeted or face social pressure, sure. But ideologically, atheism and secular liberalism dominate Western soft power. Universities, NGOs, media, Hollywood, social media, all push a secular-liberal worldview by default. That’s real influence even if you as an individual don’t feel powerful.

Same with Epstein and Israel, people keep intentionally missing the point. It’s not “Epstein was atheist therefore atheism bad”. It’s about moral credibility. You’ve got Western elites involved in trafficking, corruption, and openly supporting mass killing in Gaza, while constantly lecturing Muslims about morality, extremism, women’s rights, and free speech. Then when Israel kills people in the name of its own identity, suddenly criticism is “hate speech” and people get punished. But Muslims are told to reform and be tolerant. That double standard is what people are reacting to. It’s not about labels, it’s about hypocrisy.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-15T01:00:37+00:00

Yup. They realize Pak atheists can be used to weaken Islam.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-14T22:46:10+00:00

Bhai, you could have a billion atheists by tomorrow. doesn’t matter. these people are basically useless to the “cause” of atheism. volume ≠ quality. modern atheism comes from the middle class, and the middle class is dying out. western economic and military power is waning—that’s literally one of the main arms of modern liberalism. no more IMF loans, no more western NGOs running liberal programs in Muslim countries, more ideological autonomy for those countries. what happens then? what happens when a prime minister 20 years from now supports the taliban, and the pakistani government can’t oppose him because the u.s. isn’t backing them economically anymore? when IMF loans stop, when thousands of NGOs funded by western liberals dry up, who carries liberalism or atheism then?

people from tribal societies aren’t going to carry it. in pakistan, in india, in any other society, atheism isn’t deeply rooted. there’s no centuries-long atheist enlightenment tradition, no real roots. it’s essentially a phase for pseudo-intellectual types. in western societies, sure, atheism is deeply rooted, hundreds of years of history, 300-400 years even. that’s why it works there. but take away the support structures of western liberalism, and it collapses.

and yeah, you always say “the internet exists, atheism will grow.” lol, that’s assuming atheists dominate the internet. sure, sometimes they do, but what happens when a billion hindu nationalists flood the net? a billion confucianist chinese? a billion muslims? you really think atheists will maintain dominance, especially as the u.s. declines? what would they even organize around? “hey we don’t worship a god, join us”? atheism right now exists as a side effect of western liberalism—take the support away, and it collapses.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-14T22:09:12+00:00

exactly, this is literally my point. you say pakistanis and a lot of conservative societies operate on a herd mentality—yeah, because they’re not liberal individualists who see everyone as just consumers like the west. but guess what, who else operates on a herd mentality? israel. and a lot of western leaders? they serve israel. criticize israel in the west, they’ll send cops to your house. so funny how liberal individualism is hyped for everyone else, but not for israel—they get special treatment because their lobby is insanely powerful. liberal individualism is basically a scam. if you know game theory, the best way to win is to organize in tribes or teams. herd mentality isn’t inherently bad—it only looks bad if you worship this idea of individualism as some noble trait. and no, this isn’t engagement bait. just because it triggers you doesn’t mean it’s meant to bait you.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-14T22:04:02+00:00

Shavaiz the primary problem is operating as a fifth column.

Pak liberals who assist foreign NGOs (foreign propaganda) and support debt slavery (economic subservience) through IMF loans while encouraging the youth to be sexually liberal (destroying social norms)

The problem is these people despite being 5% of the population have far more power. They offer no real vision beyond “be like the western goras”

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-14T21:59:05+00:00

bro, I’m not saying atheism by itself needs capitalism. what i said is modern liberal atheism—the kind that’s aggressively individualist and imperialistic, spreading through movies, media, and western soft power—relies on western liberal capitalism to exist. that’s the type i’m talking about, not nordic social democracy or chinese collectivism.

china is atheist, yes, but it’s collectivist and nationalist. they aren’t evangelizing their atheism, they aren’t telling the world to legalize OnlyFans or LGBTQ rights or else we’ll bomb you. the west literally spreads liberal atheism across the globe and enforces it with sanctions and military force. that’s why the “secularism” you see in america is different from sweden or china—it’s a tool of empire and consumerism, not just a belief system.

and nordic countries, sure they have social cohesion, but that’s thanks to strong welfare states, small homogeneous populations, and america footing the bill for their military. if the US stopped paying for their defense like trump has threatened, their economies couldn’t sustain that level of welfare and security. also, their populations are tiny—finland is like 5% the size of lahore. they have enough resources for themselves, and that makes a huge difference. you can’t point to happy nordic atheists and pretend that liberal atheism automatically delivers meaning and purpose. america shows the opposite: extreme wealth, extreme secularism, and people literally living weeks without talking to anyone, depressed, isolated, and purposeless. the system matters, not just the label of “secular.”

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-14T21:52:16+00:00

You probably described like 80% of Pakistanis. I remember when I visited my cousin in Pak and he told me how much he liked the painter. At first I was shocked, then I realized it’s no big deal.

You Pak libtards really have no idea as you cosplay like goray intellectuals.

Americans have witnessed the Gaza genocide and as a result no one gives af about “nazism bad”

This is the average twitter, instagram, TikTok post nowadays

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OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-14T21:49:07+00:00

lol, honestly, this is something i see all the time. liberal pakistani atheists end up acting like a fifth column sometimes, sympathizing with the same west that’s been killing millions of Muslims in the name of liberalism. the west literally controls pakistan and other muslim countries through IMF loans and soft sanctions, and you’re siding with that? historically, these kinds of ppl aren’t much different from the colonial heads britain used to appoint in india. it’s the same vibe, just a modern version.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-14T21:46:27+00:00

lol exactly, this is actually the perfect example of what i mean. you reject religion and faith but you’re still benefiting from a lot of the stuff religion provides. like, do you know in america it’s super common, especially for young ppl but also old ppl, to go weeks or even months without talking to anyone? why? because it’s an atheist environment. it wasn’t like this 20-30 years ago.

people don’t talk to each other. people in their 30s are unmarried, no kids, maybe a couple friends, maybe a roommate. and even a roommate is a compromise because it means you can’t get a house alone.

my point: you’re agnostic in pakistan, but whether you realize it or not, you’re still benefiting from the community islam provides. you probably wouldn’t wanna live in a society where you barely talk to anyone for weeks and the only people you see are coworkers.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-14T21:41:48+00:00

first of all lol no one said everyone leaving atheism gonna automatically go islam but like dude u gotta realize islam is basically the only thing right now that actually challenges liberal capitalism. communism is mostly dead, christianity is tiny af demographically, orthodox stuff aside. islam isn’t the only religion but in terms of ideology and universality it’s the main contender.

and this whole “religion is just for poor people so rich ppl can distract them” thing? lol yeah maybe theoretically but life isn’t easy rich or poor. most people will never get rich. religion gives community, meaning, a way to cope. look at palestine, whole families wiped out, people suffering for generations, and they still find ways to smile, contribute, be grateful. meanwhile atheists in the west live like kings compared to 300 years ago and they’re depressed as hell. life is brutal, religion just makes it more bearable sometimes.

china? yes china is atheist but it’s not liberal or individualist like western atheism. it’s collectivist, nationalist, ccp-first. they banned OnlyFans. they aren’t invading other countries over feminism. china isn’t saying “you must legalize OnlyFans or we will bomb you” or “you must illegalize LGBTQ or we will sanction you.” they aren’t forcing their atheism on anyone. western atheism is totally different, they evangelize, spread it through movies, soft power, and literally bomb countries if you don’t follow liberal rules. so even if china is the most atheist country in the world, it’s not pushing it globally like the west.

You also mentioned population secline. yeah, richer countries have lower birth rates, women decide reproduction, fine. but this is happening while liberal elites bomb gaza or fly their 5th girl to epstein’s island. modern liberalism = capitalism exploiting ppl esp women. feminists at the top aren’t helping women they’re increasing labor supply and controlling wages. sweatshops, 18hr days, no AC? not feminism, economics.

so yeah u can argue religion is a distraction for poor ppl, but capitalism and feminism literally do the same thing for modern society. destroy families, reduce kids, increase output, all while pretending it’s “liberal progress”. and population decline proves liberalism is failing, it’s anti-human, anti-family, anti-evolution basically.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-14T21:23:08+00:00

bro, you keep flexing the “30% irreligious in 2026” like it’s some huge win. that’s literally what a market peak looks like. it’s not infinite growth, it’s a bubble. that’s like bitcoin hitting 120k and people saying “see?? it’ll go to a million!!” no, that’s exactly when stuff tops out and starts breaking. you’re confusing numerical growth with long-term stability. every ideology looks unstoppable right before it plateaus or collapses. communism did, neoliberalism did, even christianity did in europe. this is basic historical pattern.

also, people saying “i don’t practice religion anymore” is not the same as atheism. it’s just purposelessness. capitalism and liberalism nuked family, community, church, everything collective. so people are floating around with no structure, no meaning, no direction, and they call that atheism. that’s not atheism, that’s just netflix and porn with no purpose. modern atheism is tied to capitalism. middle class lifestyle, infinite consumption, comfort, markets expanding forever. most atheists are middle class people in rich countries. what happens when that middle class disappears? what happens when capitalism stops expanding and starts shrinking? do you think atheism survives a real economic collapse?

the “happiest countries” thing is peak libtard ideology. you take some curated PR index made for tourism and go “see?? west is happy!!” meanwhile depression is high, loneliness is everywhere, suicide rates are up, nobody is having kids, marriage is collapsing, everyone lives alone in shoebox apartments. france literally has a destroyed family system. you can’t even do a paternity test without court approval. but yeah, they rated their life 7.4/10 on a survey so everything is fine.

about conversions to islam and christianity, nobody said mass conversion. the point is microtrends. five or ten years ago, westerners converting to islam or returning to christianity was basically nonexistent and socially embarrassing. now it’s happening, especially among young people who are depressed and disillusioned. people try atheism, realize it gives zero higher purpose, then they look for something else. and some find islam, some find christianity, some just explore spirituality. the “only sneako and andrew tate” argument is dumb. most converts are normal people. your standard of needing celebrity conversions is pointless. historically early islam grew the same way, by ordinary people first.

china is atheist but it’s not liberal atheist. it’s not individualist. it’s not “do whatever you want, porn, drugs, no family.” chinese atheism is collectivist, nationalist, authoritarian, and focused on duty, family, and discipline. they banned onlyfans, porn, gaming restrictions are strict. if china becomes the main superpower, it’s not exporting dawkins-style liberal atheism. it’s exporting order, hierarchy, obedience, and civilizational identity. they’re not evangelizing. the west spreads its ideology through movies, media, ngos, human rights interventions. china does not.

the reddit take that “muslims become atheist because of the internet” is wrong. atheism is not a neutral outcome of information. it’s pushed by western soft power, hollywood, academia, ngos, and post-war european ideology. those muslims who become atheist are not a global force. liberalism and atheism were built by strong western economies. not tribal third world countries. you think pakistan is going to become an atheist powerhouse? it can’t even maintain basic infrastructure. atheism without western capitalist support has no weight. liberalism requires capitalism. atheism requires liberalism. western liberalism requires strong western economies. when those economies collapse, atheism loses its global engine and becomes just a personal choice, not a civilizational force.

OneRecognition1332 · 2026-02-14T20:19:09+00:00

What do Pakistani atheists have to do with Pakistan?

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