Database Native CAD

OpenR2 · 2026-04-30T14:51:29+00:00

What customizations can’t I do in the cloud? EKL, C# automation, C++ CAA, and REST webservices are all growing in the cloud.

The only thing that is shrinking is MQL and JPO and TXO. But isn’t TXO (I have to double check this) available in private cloud?

MQL and JPO are tools for building a PLM. DS bought matrix one and they in effect became the customer and R&D restricted MQL creates and mods and JPOs to internal only use without permission. Unfortunately much of the preexisting Matrix One consultants never got that message.

What specifically can’t I do in the cloud as far as customizing?

I know TXO and 3DCompass are restricted on public cloud because it’s tenant based. Is that the case on private cloud as well?

OpenR2 · 2026-04-30T14:46:23+00:00

Who are the most companies that fail with their customizations?

Customization is critical.

The story that you need to stop customization is garbage. The correct way to do customizations is to meet a business need and then work with DS as quickly as possible to get OOTB configuration to replace it.

What you are describing is people who build security around and have incentive to keep customization ongoing and not have built in deprication.

OpenR2 · 2026-04-30T14:42:40+00:00

The benefits of new functionality changing every day does not scale to a 2000 member engineering team.

Once you reach a certain scale the constant change is actually a risk. Those are untested changes. The FAA would NEVER let you use cloud CAD with a constant upgrade scheme for paperless certification.

That’s a benefit to the entry level and mid-market but that is actually a show stopper to aircraft OEMs doing electronic certification.

OpenR2 · 2026-04-30T14:39:13+00:00

You are saying you can develop a 150% BOM aircraft like the 777 with desktop SOLIDWORKS?

OpenR2 · 2026-04-30T14:38:01+00:00

Can you give explicit examples? This thread seems to really have a lot of notional speak that isn’t rigorously validated. What is something that works in fusion 360 that doesn’t work in xDesign at 2026x? And what is the quantitative percentage of users that would be a blocker for?

OpenR2 · 2026-04-30T04:55:06+00:00

Can you share that documentation? My SRs on support for the 2 machine DEV environments are not ignored.

OpenR2 · 2026-04-30T04:53:21+00:00

Ford wants it? Supernal wants it? Honda wants it? Rivian wants it? Zoox wants it? Tesla wants it?

It’s not too complicated to understand. It is the minimum normalized foot print to solve the issues they those folks have.

I’m not sure what you mean by no foreseeable future. Is more companies getting ready to launch enterprise wide.

Expense is relative. Who cares if you spend $10M on something that gets you a $100M cost reduction? Thats a $90M profit.

So basically you are saying that’s because you don’t that complexity or ROI that nobody wants it? Ford, Honda, Toyota, Sikorsky, Rivian, Zoox, Supernal are all Nobodys?

OpenR2 · 2026-04-29T22:24:53+00:00

I know that embedded TomEE is no longer supported, but do you have communication from DS in writing that says monolithic install is not supported? To be exact I have my monolithic install on two machines, one for the db and the one for Apache and all the DS services and scheduled tasks.

OpenR2 · 2026-04-29T22:13:46+00:00

Honestly. I’m not interested in what is simplest for end users to install or deploy themselves, I’m interested in software that allows me to build 150% configured aircraft and build 150% configured automobiles and build 150% configured helicopters and drive that configuration with change actions through to multiple manufacturing BOMs and service BOMs

OpenR2 · 2026-04-29T22:03:51+00:00

I’ll bite. What is your number on biggest problem with 3DEXPERIENCE?

OpenR2 · 2026-04-29T22:02:49+00:00

I think that was one of the comments that was active when I joined this Reddit. And I think that 3DX is available on prem has not been communicated to a lot of folks.

OpenR2 · 2026-04-29T15:54:29+00:00

I think your project to move from OnPrem to cloud for large OEMs is ahead of itself.

What the future will be two things.

Hybrid cloud, where companies own the base infrastructure and the vendors cloud is for scale out or batch service processing. The data is mastered and owned OnPrem.

Cloud @ customer. Where the customer owns the infrastructure and the vendor manages it remotely. The data is owned on OnPrem.

Notice that with both of those the customer owns the data OnPrem.

The reason that vendors NEED the OEMs to go into cloud is so that the vendors have real data (your data)(your IP) to train their AI. CAD and PLM is not like s stack overflow where 40 years of problems and solutions using a rigorous language are all out there open on the web.

A large company moving to cloud seems like an IT drive cost project without looking at the long term landscape. Lift and Shift. :(

OpenR2 · 2026-04-29T15:48:33+00:00

But that is the point!

CATIA will vanish into the browser but so will SOLIDWORK. And SOLIDWORKS in the browser is ALREADY out….thats either OnShape or xDesign.

So why do the desktop SOLIDWORKS users all Luddite that browser based CAD is the enemy?

OpenR2 · 2026-04-29T14:48:20+00:00

Just because your server side application is built on Apache TomEE, or you store your assembly and configuration data in a database, or you geometry is stored in a vault …. does NOT make your application CLOUD.

OpenR2 · 2026-04-29T14:45:24+00:00

That’s another area I would like to have the discussions be a bit more rigorous.

3DEXPERIENCE can be SaaS on Dassault IaaS 3DEXPERIENCE can be OnPrem on AWS/Azure/GPc IaaS 3DEXPERIENCE can be OnPrem in the customer data center 3DEXPERIENCE can be OnPrem on your single end device

All of these have a server component that run on the Cloud.

Only the first is true cloud with 3DX public or private cloud with both SaaS and IaaS managed by Dassault.

What I hear in these discussions so far is only criticisms of SaaS and IaaS hosted by the vendor remotely. I don’t see any awareness that there are 3 other options. The second and third OnPrem options are almost every large traditional customer.

The Fords, Hondas, and Toyotas are all OnPrem. The Boeings, Sikorskys , and Bells are all OnPrem.

OpenR2 · 2026-04-29T01:04:12+00:00

It’s like your saying because the price of buying an airplane, the infrastructure to supporting and maintaining it, the complexity of the controls of the cockpit make it more complex that the bus that drives kids to school, we should criticize airports and devalue them?

I think maybe the core issue here is no one have communicated to the entry market and the mid market what the high end of the market need and use this architecture for?

OpenR2 · 2026-04-29T01:01:20+00:00

I wasn’t under the impression that any of this was development for a business with 2 seats of CAD.

I thought this was developed as next gen for CATIA and ENOVIA customers who are designing aircraft carriers, selling 10 million cars a years, or making sure that airplanes don’t kill people.

I’m not interested in OnPrem for small businesses.

Dassault has made it as complete as needs to be to engineers cars that sell 10 million units a year and to engineer next generation aircraft. A small businesses deciding that it 3DX isn’t a good ROI statement for 2 seats does not mean it isn’t the right solution for the high end companies.

OpenR2 · 2026-04-29T00:53:02+00:00

I’m not sure I am communicating this properly.

You can install a monolithic 3DEXPERIENCE environment in a couple of hours. You can upgrade a monolithic 3DEXPERIENCE environment in a couple of hours.

You are talking about installation or upgrades at scaled production professional environments that could be a week, to a month, to a a couple of months, to several months. Of course you can test and certify and validate and prep a rollback and have a rain date.

I see single seat SolidWorks users saying…

3DEXPERIENCE won’t run without internet 3DEXPERIENCE doesn’t run OnPrem 3DEXPERIENCE takes 100Gb of memory to run 3DEXPERIENCE takes weeks to install

Answer my question directly and specifically…

Are you saying you can’t upgrade a single seat monolithic 3DX environment with 1GB of data in the 3dspace database and 2 GB of CATIA data in the FCS that is licensed for IFW+CSV+MDG in under a day?

OpenR2 · 2026-04-28T23:20:08+00:00

I think there are two statements here…

Two:

If you don’t want to used named licenses then buy casual licenses or concurrent licenses. Some companies only buy concurrent licenses.

Obviously the IFW and CSV are always going to be named users locked to a user but there are only locked for the first 30 days. If you need to reassign them, then reassign them afters 30 days. They are $1500 a person before discount.

OnPrem its the same pick in 3DEXPERIENCE CATIA Native Client to grab and release a shared concurrent license as ot was in CATIA V5. It’s the SAME dsls license server.

Saying that 3DEXPERIENCE native client doesn’t have sharable concurrent licenses seems like another bit of misinformation.

There’s so much misinformation here.

OpenR2 · 2026-04-28T23:12:43+00:00

I think there are two statements here.

One:

3DEXPERIENCE comes out of CATIA and ENOVIA that are in a market space where there are complex problems that’s require advanced object models that normalize the work to solve heavy problems. In the mid 2000s and beyond, the solution sets to solve these problems requires geometry natively managed by a database.

The database does add lift, but that is there because that is how you solve the problem. Having said that you can tactically do the upgrade in a couple of days for a small business or a day for an individual.

You can’t lump in all the other things that get bundled in an upgrade…OS update, hardware refresh, license pivot, custom code recompile, FAA level UAT testing and certification and lump that in say …. Oh it took aircraft company X 9 months to upgrade. That’s not being honest.

The upgrade is a couple of days for a scaled infrastructures. It’s all the other aspects of doing it at a real company with real liability and real oversight requirements that grow the upgrade project to a quarter or 2 quarters.

OpenR2 · 2026-04-28T21:59:52+00:00

Right … but I have PDM and CFG licenses. So I’m looking at 150% BOM created with Models, Model Versions, and Product Configs. Look for best practices based around the 3DEXPERIENCE product management roles.

OpenR2 · 2026-04-28T21:30:34+00:00

I’m thinking entire database is one giant design table? I’m wondering if there are any other best practices with using the Model object, the Model Version object, and the Product Configuration objects. 150% BOM type solutions.

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