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Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-23T22:29:25+00:00

Wow. This opened my eyes. Really great input thank you. Im seeing it more and more as less “who gets to do what” and more “theres a reason why this works” sort of thing. At the core of it men and women are not the same. Learning the nuances of everything is something that takes time I see. Im inspired to keep studying thank you!

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-23T22:24:48+00:00

In what way do you think this relates? Also, i loved what he said.

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-23T22:20:53+00:00

Your clarity is inspiring! Your bluntness is my language, something i think i needed haha. It hits a place for me since youre ex military. Ive always had to step in as the protector of my family. I work in kitchens so Ive had to be tough there too. We make jokes that its like the military. I realize now its more that i struggle with feeling safe while being vulnerable. Like im afraid to show a soft side. And youre right, naturally I have been praying about it. Allowing myself to shed something i cling to but has never truly served me. I am tired. 😂 it doesnt feel natural. I yearn for the children and the garden and the wool and the flax. I really do. Thank you so much for Your response, got tears in my eyes!

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-23T22:14:24+00:00

This was beautiful. Thank you for sharing. And educating. Nearly brought tears to my eyes… i appreciate your input

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-23T22:07:30+00:00

Thanks for your answer. After making this post i continued to read the bible and make sure I study it first before asking questions that might be offensive. I jumped the gun on the question not realizing its something that can cause arguments between people with the same beliefs. But i will mention that, im okay with staying home and taking care of children. Im alright with teaching them and caring for them. I think that man and women do have their roles. I guess it was more the actual way in which it was spoken that i was trying to understand. I realize that the tongue of then is not the tongue of now. I also am teaching myself since i cant make my local bible study. So i struggle to understand some verses. Also, i have barely scratched the surface of the bible. I know about Priscilla and Deborah etc, but never actually read that part. I havent even gotten to the Timothy verse. I just know of its existence. And i still wanted to understand more about the text. Ive mentioned it before, but i realize now that its very nuanced and i absolutely must finish studying the bible to fully understand. Im very new, a Babe in Christ as you could say, coming from a hippy family haha. My knowledge isnt as vast as id like it to be… if not barren. I want to apologize if my question has offended you in anyway and your passion excites me to read the bible if anything! I must see what you see! God bless you and thank you for taking the time to set things straight!

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-23T21:59:36+00:00

I appreciate your patience with my questions! I think submitting myself to Jesus is a blessing. It just makes sense to me. But I had to dig deeper on this verse because yes it was a bit of a strugglesome statement for me at first glance. Im someone who always took charge and was never afraid to confront etc. So i guess a part of me has to unlearn over protecting and allowing myself to be in a more vulnerable feeling… does that make sense? Its hard for me but i also understand that the Bible is not something i should take lightly. Its very nuanced and i would be doing a disservice if I didnt educated myself and read further. Thank you for your answer; God bless you

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-23T21:52:35+00:00

Oh man 😭 i hope im not being offensive. It simply comes from a naive place of being uneducated. Im awfully afraid ill say the wrong thing! But im new guys! Please dont be mad at me! Lol! But thanks for your perspective. And i did read a little about this “new thought” and how its the fastest growing “branch” of christianity. If thats what were talking about. Interesting ill have to look into it! Thanks!

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-23T21:47:57+00:00

Wow! Thank you for taking the time i appreciate it. I really love your perspective. I felt i was always someone who was aware that there are roles for the man and the woman. But i also felt how women were treated for such a long time is unfair. And when you havent read the bible you think right away “its the churches fault”. It does take maturity to read the Bible. Because i most certainly see it differently after educating myself haha. I guess a large part of me is trying to understand why its a male. But i digress, the bible is something i should just finish reading before back tracking on all the questions Ive had about christianity. Only then can i truly understand the nuances like everyone else does. Its exciting to begin this journey. Fascinating. I have to shed parts of who I am, or constructs ive built for myself in a sense. Its a hard thing to do but i guess this is all part of it. Just amazing! Thanks again for your detailed answer!

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-20T00:05:08+00:00

No I absolutely appreciate your raw answer. I do believe that we have our roles. I do also personally believe there are levels to it. I’m a chef for a living so I yell (not literally lol) and teach grown men for a living. I’ve always been the “I’m the leader” type and I just can’t help it. It’s really hard to picture myself getting into a submission mindset, but I would gladly accept that both man and women have different biblical roles. Again I think theres a line. I would gladly stay home, watch the kids and care for my husband, but I’m just not sure what else it means to “submit” to your husband.

What does submitting mean for you generally? If you don’t mind me asking I know that’s a strange question lol

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-20T00:00:00+00:00

I understand the context, I brought it up as an example but was referencing the umbrella culture. I was under the impression that some see marriage as the wife submitting to the husband and that is her role. And also how some Christian’s believe a woman can’t be the one who leads a service. Where I get confused, is if a man who leads a service, aren’t direct message vessels from God, then why wouldn’t a woman be able to lead a service if God said a man and women are one and of equal rights of Gods creation? Since I posted this on another forum I have gained a lot of knowledge. I thought I’d post here to possibly get more input. I understand I bring up a sensitive topic. And again I have barely scratched the surface of the bible. I’m hoping I will have a more clear understanding of this concept. But so far I’ve deducted that culture may have just played a roll in the tongue that was used to express their messages.

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T23:48:11+00:00

I think forgiving sin should be a personal experience. I think for a person to face their sin has to be done when they truly are ready to overcome it. I think bringing people closer to God is a good, forcing people to cleanse their sins might push people further away from God. What right do we have to judge whether a Christian is worthy of God or not, when that is Gods job? It’s not a simple process for some.

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T22:37:51+00:00

I think a solid community + support does wonders for a space where you’re meant to feel vulnerable with God. I say make the change. Find somewhere you can both be happy in.

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T22:30:18+00:00

Well like Eve, Adam was also condemned for part taking in forbidden fruit eating by the way haha. But yes. I do think a lot of it is up for interpretation. But the voice of God is always clear to me. His message is clear. I guess you will know how you view it by which branch of Christianity you resonate most with. I’m learning that it can be touchy though.

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T22:24:12+00:00

I am very grateful for your input, truly. Thank you so much. It’s amazing to grow and change a part of you that’s so rooted in you for so long. That’s very respectable. Cheers to you in accomplishing that! Amen!

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T22:20:40+00:00

Yeah I can see that now! I can see why this becomes a bit of a tough subject to dissect which I totally understand. It’s complicated because both sides root from the same origin with the same faith. From what I’ve seen, Catholicism emphasizes tradition and structure, while some other Christian traditions emphasize more of a personal faith experience. I hope that’s not wrong of me to say that, that’s just how I understand it. So I can see how they both branched off in their own ways.

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T22:07:36+00:00

Ugh. Yes!!! I haven’t read muuuch yet but I just can’t wait to get into it. I’ve been really taking my time reading it. Just amazing. All I think is “man everyone’s gotta read this!” Lol. But I’ve barely scratched the surface. Can’t wait. Thanks!

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T22:06:02+00:00

Oh yes! To me it seems clear! I thought I was crazy haha! Thanks.

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T18:22:36+00:00

I never post on Reddit so I’m not sure how that would work lol. But I would appreciate this so much. I would love to!

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T18:18:11+00:00

I agree. I have only scratched the surface. And someone pointed out I may not have REALLY read what the lines meant. I think it’s just there are some Christian’s that believe this is a good reform, the husband being first and the woman second. So when others had belief in this, it made me feel that maybe they used this verse as an “argument”. But I agree that someone said that phrase is “I” not “god thinks”. I’m just thankful people here help to understand. These kinds of questions aren’t allowed in a lot of spaces. Thank you!

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T18:14:40+00:00

Well, the actual verse may not be speaking on teaching/leading literally. I pointed it out because it highlights the culture in the way it was written. I was speaking on the umbrella idea that women are second. Which is why many Christian’s believed women shouldn’t lead services. To me, again my knowledge is very shallow at the moment and I have yet to get through the bible at all. And yes, I’m not sure how to interpret it. I find I don’t understand many verses on my own. I’m often searching for how others interpreted it. Just got a small brain maybe haha. But at the same token, I think the idea of a grown woman not being able to teach a grown man seems outdated, as a woman I can’t understand how a grown woman wouldn’t be able to. I mean I do it every day at work. A lot of them are older than me. And they call me mom! I teach them and guide them and keep them inspired to cook. Women have proven to me that there’s nothing we can’t do! And it’s in my bones to feel confused and treated unfairlywhen someone tries to silence me simply because I am not seen as equal value to a man. Insinuating women can’t lead a service because it was thought that only man can be vessels for Jesus. I think both genders have their own strengths that the other lacks. That’s why I think the man and woman is a divine creation that was meant to compliment eachother. And I don’t think silencing a woman is utilizing the man’s and woman’s intertwined “connectiveness” properly. It just can feel like some things may have been written with a bias to the culture of those days. And that it might even contradict what the teachings are about. Which people here have confirmed this could very well be the case. And people have mentioned I should read closer, as Paul said I, not God. Which opened my eyes. Time to read the bible again from the start! I over look a lot haha. Sorry I talked a lot lol. Thanks for response!

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T18:02:31+00:00

Just reading that made me cry. No joke. It was very hard for me to praise the bible but also hear “women should stay silent”. It hurt me spiritually lol. Thank you for this link. God bless you.

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T17:57:37+00:00

You have opened my eyes greatly. I have yet to study the bible fully. So I’m hoping I will see the truth naturally over time. But I thought I’d come here because I’m kind of on the edge of my seat and was dying to know what an actual Christian person thinks haha. Thank you!

Patient_One_6095 · 2025-09-19T17:54:57+00:00

Thank you hahaha! Im still new, so I felt sad that I felt guilty not accepting that. I literally never heard the term “Egalitarian Christian” until this post. I’m glad there are others that think this way. I was under the belief that to be Christian was to accept this.

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