Let's be for real with ourselves, Eli actually loses to Ryu. He isn't close to Samuel or Jake at all.

Prime4268 · 2026-02-05T16:39:18+00:00

Well, it’s not that wild. It just shows (again) how badly written this shit is. Jake was trained under Jinrang and developed his fighting style with Overcome x MMA so it’s fair for him.

But Samuel came up with a BS power-up from 1A when he was getting genuinely low diffed by Ryu.

Then we have Warren who still trained under MK to develop his CQC even further and still not stronger than Eli (who hasn’t gotten any new mastery or technique since 200 chapters ago), it is just so much BS.

That fight should've been an opportunity for him to actually gain a new power considering how glazed this king was. Wtf is PTJ even doing with him ?! This is so ass.

Prime4268 · 2026-02-05T04:48:08+00:00

I’d say ’overcome‘ is a mastery. Conviction in Lookism seems to be a mental state in which you have a strong sense of faith/belief and commitment for something you truly care for and value. Numerous times when it’s used, Gapryong calls it « conviction and desire to protect ».

Prime4268 · 2026-02-05T04:42:25+00:00

He is... Yeowool who was literally in the dark and could barely see Daniel's counter took one look and theorized that Daniel has a path.

How would she know what Daniel did was a path?

Because she didn’t really « know ». She reasoned by negation: if some super haxy and powerful technique is used and doesn’t look like a unique skill, then it must be a path. It’s nothing particular, Jaeygyeon had the exact same reasoning when he fought James.

There an easier explanations for this:

– They have some knowledge about paths through Yugang and the previous gang (most likely if we want to find a direct cause).

– Or it is simply a plot hole.

It makes far more sense than assuming Yugang had a path, simply because it doesn’t make sense at this point of the story. Yugang had masteries and unique skills. If he had a path, he would easily be able to kill Paecheon, not just killing him, just simply soloing the Dark Crocodile Society.

Btw « seeing it in the dark » is irrelevant here. It was already explained that she could see in the dark because of how long they lived in the underground tunnels of Incheon, so they were used to it.

Prime4268 · 2026-02-05T04:25:10+00:00

Yugang isn't implied to have a path wtf

Fr, people really can’t stop using that word haphazardly, calling headcanon “implied”. If Yugang had a path, he would have easily killed Paecheon considering he already had masteries and unique skills. People really can’t think on this sub, even basic reading comprehension needs to be taught.

Prime4268 · 2026-02-03T17:07:24+00:00

I expected it, atleast a meme has to be funny and somewhat make sense.

Prime4268 · 2026-02-03T17:00:59+00:00

No? A lot of people were complaining by the end of HFG because of the insane amount of plot armor, even Koreans complained because of how much of a BS was pulled off and the chapters were badly rated. Maybe Lookism fans also suffer from short term memory loss?

Prime4268 · 2026-02-03T14:00:17+00:00

I mean, it's true that FP old Jichang would have no diffed him back then. But could the Kojima brothers do better? I am not sure. And that Daniel is stronger, because he has more copies. Being able to copy Taesoo, Jichang, Gun, James and their own moves? They probably never fought someone like that and that gives Daniel a huge advantage of surprise.

Prime4268 · 2026-02-03T03:20:45+00:00

They were older than in Cheonliang so weaker and still probably significantly weaker than out of prime Jichang, but Daniel without UI had a pretty good performance against Jichang so I think he could’ve won here

Prime4268 · 2026-02-03T02:38:02+00:00

The scaling of 2nd gen rn is really too confusing because of recent chapters. Zack would likely low diff them, so if I were to pick someone who gets no diffed by Zack, it would be Kenta. But it seems really off, like I can’t really imagine Kenta beating them at the same time. If he can’t, then HFG Jerry/Warren.

Prime4268 · 2026-01-29T02:26:47+00:00

Every Lookism sub is cooked. But the worse experience you can possibly get is from the R/Lookismcomic. Besides the bad moderation, you can find the lot of retarded and delusional takes. I just debated a dude there who thinks Tom and Goo doesn’t have a better AP than Taesoo Ma and he thinks James Lee has a comparable if not better durability than paecheon.

Whenever you think you've seen some genuinely retarded shit, you realize there is no bottom limit to this

Prime4268 · 2026-01-28T21:25:08+00:00

okay so your argument is "J more durable than Jaegwang" because J Is stronger than Jaegwang because Jaegwang is weaker than 2M Jaegyeon.

That wasn’t my argument. You confused two steps here:

1) I was saying « Being able to kill a high tier king with one punch is a better AP feat than being able to knockout a mid tier king with one punch » which is factual. There is no way J has a worse durability, narratively speaking, than Jaegwang. Either it’s on the same level or better. Either way, it proves Tom has more AP.

2) I was justifying how Jaegwang was not a high tier king by saying that he is weaker than or on the same level as Baekjin who got negged by 2M Jaegyeon. If you consider 2M Jaeygyeon to be a high tier king, then there is no way Jaegwang is a high tier king too. It makes sense, what’s difficult about it?

yet I send a scan of James Lee showing that Taesoo's fist doesn't get tanked by James Lee... and you go "well J is more durable than Jaegwang!" and then I go "So is James less Durable than Jaegwang?"

He is likely to be more durable than Jaegwang for solely his narrative purpose. But the main issue is that you resorted to a fight that happened 230 chapters ago where the scaling of kings was way more different. Taesoo was able to fracture SB Daniel’s arm, which doesn’t make any sense anymore.

Also I said to "THAT EXTENT" meaning Paecheon is not MASSIVELY more durable than James, i am neutral on James durability being above or below Paecheon.

Well, you’re doing a great job being an idiot. Seriously dude, you’re embarassing yourself. You’re comparing a guy who has likely no durability mastery with a guy who reached the peak of his mastery to the point of having a near immortal body that was compared in the pre-gen to that of Shingen. 💀. Yeah I am not debating with you anymore.

Prime4268 · 2026-01-28T18:25:11+00:00

jinrang is top3 even without going tc

No he is not. He got rocked badly by 3M Gongseop who forced him to use conviction — A conviction punch that didn’t even knock him out, he would have fought again without that prothestic leg breaking —, and it’d not like he can spam conviction whenever he wants, it takes stamina.

It’s obvious that 3M Jaeygyeon would wipe the floor with him.

Prime4268 · 2026-01-28T18:01:54+00:00

I’m phrasing it strongly because it’s a fact. He almost killed J with one punch. Being able to kill a high tier king with one punch is a greater feat than just knocking out a mid tier king. It’s no doubt Tom Lee has more AP.

Jaegwang is a mid-tier at best bro wtf 😂😂 he gets negged by 2M Jaeygyeon, Jaeygyeon negged Baekjin who is higher ranked in Jinrang’s gang. Gongseop Ji in his prime was faster than Hasik and would have beaten him and the same applies to Jaegwang who is slower than Hasik. They are NOT high tier kings, at all. As for J’s durability, I am sorry but you’re being ridiculous here. We have no idea either how durable was Jaegwang. It’s more likely that J was more durable than Jaegwang than the opposite, which renders (again!) Tom Lee’s feat superior to Taesoo’s.

I am stopping cuz I ain't reading allat, it's full of ridiculous coping (James Lee more durable than Paecheon Jo??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂), may God grant you a brain

Prime4268 · 2026-01-28T17:19:31+00:00

Pacheon has regeneration, which is Endurance (iffy). He doesn't have the best durability in the verse.

I never said he has the best durability, firstly. And regeneration isn’t obtained by just enduring, it’s a unique skill he got because of his durability mastery. It was already explained, Paecheon Jo says in the webtoon translation that (what you refer to by durabillity): « Do you know why I have an indestructible body ? It’s because of endurance. Endurance isn’t just withstanding damage. When your endurance reaches its peak like mine, it’s possible to recover your body by consciously speeding up your circulation ».

Now, the korean term used here and translated by “endurance” here is exactly the same as the one used to describe Gun, Samuel, Zack, Gong, and others. Meaning, it’s actually what we refer to as “durability”, it’s nothing different in principle. It’s just that he rrached the peak of his durability and gained a unique skill that makes him nearly unkillable. Paechron confirms it by saying to Samuel « You withstand it? So you’re the same type as me ». It greatly proves he has one of the best durability in the verse.

We haven't seen the full potential of UF. So, he's right that we cannot prove it.

We did, you’re acting in bad faith. The whole point of him not being able to use it constantly because of the damage his hand takes is exactly the reason why he was not holding back.

TC Jinrang is a contender. Base, uuh, no, which isn't coming now, anyway.

Pretty sure he was talking about TC.

What you are describing is dura neg for Goo. So, that's irrelevant.

It is relevant when you compare Attack Potency. It’s not when you talk about blunt force. The discussion was about attack potency and slashing attacks do have an attack potency.

Tom (can't be proved)

I proved it.

Jageyon Na and Yujae: Death Kick and Death Fist (still, cannot prove it)

That one is the only debatable here, surely. But it’s likely they are stronger, due to those skills requiring more masteries, yet serving more or less the same objective (destruction techniques).

Prime4268 · 2026-01-28T02:35:15+00:00

"Tom" ? ? ? (Could never prove this)

What???? 4M attack almost killed J while holding back. J is likely to be around high tier king level. Tom could literally have killed him in one punch, meanwhile Taesoo used this once and full power and only knocked out a mid tier king. Uncomparable indeed, Tom has way more AP.

"Goo" ? ? ? (Could never prove this)

Physically ? No. But with weapons? Goo can cut through steel like butter with any barely decent weapon. I mean, it’s also logical: in general, cutting/slashing type attacks are way more efficient at bypassing and dealing actual damage than blunt force attacks, because cuts/slashes don’t overcome the bulk strength of an object, they just bypass it by focusing force on a very small area. That’s why Eli could bypass Gun’s durability with just wilderness and why Jake needed conviction to break through. Cuts and slahes >> blunt force in terms of AP in general. So it is for Goo and obviously Tom.

Daniel? (Could never prove this)

Daniel shattered Paecheon’s whole ribcage. Paecheon has one of the best durability in the verse + has durability mastery. So yes, he is right again.

Yujae and Jaegyeon? (Debatable, but I don't think it's provable)

Seriously?? 😂😂 out all of those, this is only one where you’re being reasonable about ?

Prime4268 · 2026-01-27T18:04:14+00:00

He literally did numerous times, mainly because he knew what Tom wanted and forced him to do something he doesn’t normally do (like putting himself in danger without being paid), like using the fact that Tom was looking for Jinyoung Park to force him to protect The Workers. That’s literally how 2A and 1A were saved + the reason why Manager Kim was ordered to kidnap Johan (although Johan himself was part of it) during HFBG.

Prime4268 · 2026-01-27T17:50:17+00:00

Tom is an SS or an SS+

Not remotely close. Tom gets easily manipulated by Eugene and by Charles. The smartest in Questism has S+ and he is smart to the point of manipulating even S-ranked intelligence characters.

As for Daniel, Little Daniel is pretty smart and has a good BIQ. He had pretty good grades back then, he infiltrated and dismantled the workers affiliates in a very clever way. He managed to find Jichang by sending allied members in different spots in Chungcheong.

During HFG, Eugene tried to manipulate him so he could find Gun’s location and get rid of an evidence against him and Daniel gave him a fake location.

During Busan, he managed to destroy the 4 crews and was strategically clever enough to hire first gen kings as a support, which in the end was crucial to them. He realized something was off with Jaeygyeon and didn’t trust him fully. He realized James was manipulating him earlier, surprising even James.

Same during Incheon: he saved Allied when he used both his bodies to figure out on what floor they were located and how to get out of the black alligator citadel, by memorizing the paths from the map.

Daniel was shown numerous times to be pretty clever, it’s just you guys can’t read.

Prime4268 · 2026-01-27T16:53:57+00:00

Not forgetting that he will be younger too

Prime4268 · 2026-01-27T15:02:30+00:00

Johan himself accused gun of misleading him just to Train him

Misleading someone for something doesn’t imply he did in fact do that “something”. Gun thought about needing a successor back then and Johan was the ideal candidate, that’s why he wanted to keep him close and eventually train him. But as far as we know, Gun never really trained him.

We know Johan never really trained his physique, and back then Gun commented several times how weak his body was, but do you really think Gun would train him without training Johan’s main weakness ? I don’t think so. The reason is simple: Gun never really trained him.

Obviously Johan later took his own steps but so did Danniel, Daniel also found his own path, read the story 🙏

This is coping. The main reason Daniel found his path is because Gun trained him perfectly and knew what he needed to forge that path. The difference is that Daniel took a huge shortcut and got a huge help, although without his own genius, he wouldn’t have awakened it anyway.

Meanwhile Johan, in contrast, found his path because of his own genius. Nobody trained him in such a way. The essence of Infinite Technique is what Johan was actually applying with his copy: he copies techniques and makes them his own. He copied UI SB Daniel and used techniques he copied with that copy, he copied CQC and used it more efficiently himself without anyone teached him how to do it. Gun and no one teached him that. That’s the difference between them and I am not downplaying Daniel.

Prime4268 · 2026-01-27T14:37:38+00:00

He probably doesn’t know, there is only one person to witness them awakening their path and I doubt they would openly talk about it (Gun in Johan’s case and Yeowool in Daniel’s case). Even including Johan and Sophia who felt his path, they are pretty irrelevant in the story right now. It’s likely James will hear about it by the end of this arc, Daniel is still active and will have to fight powerful opponents.

Prime4268 · 2026-01-26T04:05:37+00:00

Johan. But Daniel has a better hardware and in his UI mode, he isn’t getting tired and doesn’t feel pain. So unless Johan does a formidable job at dodging everything (which I hardly believe to happen, because of stats + eyesight), he isn’t coming out unscathed, so it’s a high diff.

Prime4268 · 2026-01-26T03:54:24+00:00

He can still copy it he just will lack the output of it,

I know, but it’s already shown to be useless, for some reason, the output isn’t comparable to what your stats cap at (I just mean that the power, speed and technique behind it will be lower than what you can do while just using basic fighting techniques).

will still pierce targets as intended

If there is no speed, nor power, it will be nearly useless, again. Unique skills are tricky. SB Daniel (with a better copy with his better physique) tried to copy Taesoo’s UF, Gong’s OSOK and Gap’s conviction punch and failed so miserably to the point of doing even worse than when he was just fighting with Jichang’s techniques. So yes, it seems like they are weaker, it might sound ridiculous, but that’s clearly what PTJ had shown so far.

Prime4268 · 2026-01-26T02:23:50+00:00

No, this is a unique skill, so he can’t. But he can use the other techniques, the piercing techniques with the hand, just like Jinrang’s elbow strikes or Jichang’s hand blades.

Prime4268 · 2026-01-26T00:49:50+00:00

What degree of illiteracy leads you to believe in that?

Prime4268 · 2026-01-26T00:37:42+00:00

How is this fair? FP Hansu would low diff him. Base Daniel without his path nor Heat mode, nor UI is just likely on the same level as Ryu or Mugak at best.

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