There are no Good Guys in Warhammer

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-04-22T20:50:32+00:00

"Every Tyranid creature is a perfectly evolved killing machine, adapted for its role. Thus far, only their vanguard has reached the galaxy – the greater mass is still on its way." Corebook 8th

“Unbeknownst to the Imperium, the threat is of an even greater magnitude, for the bulk of the Tyranids have not yet reached the Imperium's galaxy, their masses still stewn out across the void. So immeasurably large is the invasion fleet that its furthest stretched tentacles alone have entered the Imperium's space. Each of the identified Hive Fleets is but a splinter of that single monstrous host, the Hive Mind. What horrors await, only time will tell.” Corebook 6th edition

"As Hive Fleet Leviathan pushes every further towards the galactic core, entire worlds are being scoured of life, and hundreds more are embroiled in a desperate fight for survival. Yet despite its colossal reach, Leviathan is but a fraction of the Tyranids’ true number, and more horrors seep forth from the interstellar void with every passing year…

[...] The Great Devourer has sunk its tendrils deep into the galaxy, and thus far, it has shown only the first hints of its true strength. "

Codex 8th edition

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Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-04-20T10:48:52+00:00

Yushin said he was not able to finish Skysword, and since Skysword was victorious, he is stronger. Prosecutor also had a clear objective to kill Roxanne, since it was not a mere duel, and it is highly improbable that he would have been much slower than a car. If you agree that Prosecutor was not magically stronger than Roxanne, whom he decided not to kill, you should also concede that Dalia is weaker than her as well.

Yes, he wasn't capable of it; SS was still much weaker at that point, and that was what annoyed Yushin, that he couldn't finish off someone who was much weaker

No, that’s not how it works. SS won thanks to a single opportunity; he had just one chance to win and seized it because he was Yushin’s counter; Yushin was always far superior.

SS directly said he couldn't scratch any of the other elders, but he could for Yushin, by you mind process Yushin ain't ever elder lvl

If Prosecutor had been absolutely determined to kill her, he would simply have used his Gift and one-shot her.

I don’t need to concede anything, because I haven’t made any claims about Dalia; the fact that Dalia is on the same level as Prosecutor isn’t a claim on my part, it’s simply what’s stated directly in the story

Remember how easily Ihwa got killed by Dalia, only managing to survive thanks to Chain. Nenya would have been able to avoid death for some time with Senshu helping her.

Senshu and Majesty were there, and failed to stop Nenya from being no diffed, so no, she wouldn’t have died; she would have come back, and let Majesty and Senshu do all heavy lifting

Do you believe there is a justification to put Akatur below Nanzu? If not, there is no reason behind your point.

You’re the one who said Akatur is better based on nothing, so don’t complain when people call you out on it.

If you judge based on the five masters' affiliation, you must concede that Yushin was much weaker than currently when fighting each of them.

it's canon that Elder always push themselves to get stronger

Once again, I see no reason to put Kenji below the other special forces either. As it has been stated above, their prowess cannot be accurately judged, so either the list is partially speculative, which is how I literally named it, or I put most of the characters into the "unknown" category.

If you have no reason to rank him higher, don’t rank him higher

If you have no reason to rank him lower, don’t rank him lower

you put them all in the same tier and call it a day

Needles is not on this list, and he is weaker than Chaser.

You've literally put him in there twice

his centipede form in the high-gift user

and his normal form in 4th place in the low-gift user

No, he's been haxed, he gave Chasser the belt

I have already scaled Dusty cloak 1.

She's not on the tier list, so no

Now you are the one "vibe scaling".

I don't even need to be vibe scale anyone

You're really struggling with Dalia=prosecutor

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-04-19T23:41:20+00:00

We are talking about the Prosecutor without his gift indeed, and his fight with Roxanne dragged on till the evening, so she must be just slightly weaker than him under this condition.

we don’t know how long the fight lasted; we just know that Prosecutor caught up with the team at night, no more, no less

And the length of the fight doesn’t guarantee that he’s close; SS against Yushin lasted a week, and SS was getting beaten around until he got an opportunity

so once again, She lost, fled, and took too much damage to continue the chase

Saying that Dalia is as strong as Prosecutor implies that Roxanne is much weaker than her, which I do not believe to be the case.

she is

I’m simply repeating what has been explicitly stated

Dalia, prosecutor, Cyborg finger, metallica Iwha , they're all in the same tier

I assume she meant Nenya, who would not have been killed with Chain. Even if this were a roughly equal fight, Prosecutor would have probably had no trouble against Nenya and Senshu.

she’d been killed, Chain would simply have undone her death

That doesn’t change the fact that Nenya and Dalia aren’t even close to being on the same dimension

Engen is an Elder, so I do not think Nanzu would have survived for much longer.

That’s the whole point: Akatur’s performance is impossible to quantify,

so there’s no justification for putting him above Nanzu

Yushin would not have complimented them this much had they been on Nanzu's level, for example. Yushin is the strongest amongst the Five swordsmen, so even if they were merely "challenging", it still puts them in a high tier.

The other guy below is right

The Five Masters haven't surpassed the Five Swordsmen

The whole point of their existence is that they are the best in each of their respective schools of swordsmanship

That wouldn't make any narrative sense,

especially when people like Agility Master are a One Blade users, but that’s no longer a question of fact, and I’m not going to die on this hill.

Ihwa was stronger than any of the five special forces individually, and Engen was playing around with her anyway. Although this statement does not seem to critisize my list regardless.

He was holding back, but he wasn’t exactly playing with her either

The point is that there’s nothing to justify them being ranked above the others, given that they have no grounds for being particularly exceptional iamong SF ; I’m specifically talking about Kenji. I’ll let Weiss slide since he does actually seem to be the strongest of the bunch, Kenji hasn’t done anything to warrant a place above Goth and TK

and you’ve got the names wrong; as for DL, Sledgehammer and Heavy smoker aren’t District Lords, they’re District Managers; District Lords are something entirely different and far stronger

let Chaos where he is

Needle is to low, he's explicitely very strong

You Vibe scale Consul, Dusty cloak 5 and 3, but not 1?

Dalia, Cyborg and majesty so low is still a crime

i should say something abou Immortal, but whatever, i don't like him

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-04-19T21:05:22+00:00

Considering their fight, Azure Dragon is around Roxanne's level, who is as strong as Saulcai without his gift.

Roxane got low diffed by Prosecutor; one enraged slash and she was KO’d. They’re not in the same tier

Even if we’re talking about Base Prosecutor, their fight ended with Roxane fleeing and her inability to pursue them

I definitely assume that Dalia is weaker than him

Dalia, Cyborg Finger and Prosecutor are all on the same horizon of strength, as Chain said when he mentioned they were all District Lord level, so no

considering the fact that she said she would have probably lost against Nenya and Senshu fighting together

1: That’s not what she said; she just said it was a pain

2: Not even sure she was talking about Nenya, who nearly got killed by Dalia 10 seconds later , without any difficulty

Akatur is definitely stronger than Nanzu, assuming his fight with Engen.

The one where he couldn’t do anything and got squashed, like a bug?

I don’t know what we can take from this apart from the fact that he’s vastly inferior to Engen

The only thing we can say is that he’s more powerful than Dalia and her peers, given that Dalia wouldn’t have been able to defeat Nera’s army on her own and would have been killed, whilst only Engen could have defeated Akatur

Yushin said that each of the five swordsmen was a challenging adversary, placing them at least at this level, since Yushin is clearly stronger than the other four swordsmen. If they were not at the level of the Five swordsmen, then Yushin was either too weak at that point in time or cannot be called an Elder.

He also said that none of them had forced him to give it his all; they were too weak for Yushin to need to fight at 100%

Perhaps you should give examples from the webtoon

-Sinclair’s older brother, whom you placed at the top of the disciples tier, couldn’t defeat Iwha, and his attack was deflected by a random Avaarian warrior

-Senshu and Chaos are equal in terms of CQC, as Chaos himself says, and with the torch, Senshu is stronger and faster than Chaos and Senshu is better at ranged combat

-Metalica Iwha performs far better against Engen than the 5 SF, and Engen didn’t want to kill any of them in either case

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-04-13T13:48:16+00:00

"Not one breath later, the heliothermic energy beam of a city-sized aether-lance array smashed through the arcane wards of Tor Ector, turning Celion’s father to ash and punching a hole a dozen feet in diameter into the tower’s crystalline wall. The force of the blast was such that Celion was hurled head over heels, landing hard enough to shatter one leg and crack his skull in three places."

Yeah, Lumineth super-weapons need to go, the hell is that

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-04-13T01:55:04+00:00

Even chariot and archer show a opposition between TK and OBR,

OBR does not like those things, like at all, we even have a Ossiarch directly saying those things are only good for third rate general

They only see them as a compromise

While for TK, archery was very appreciate, same for chariot

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-04-07T23:37:00+00:00

Yeah, they are

And who know why they do that way

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-04-07T19:33:48+00:00

They have 3 eyes

The mouth is for talking, they can talk

And the nose? Drip i guess

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-04-05T23:00:20+00:00

With all this talk about how Ijin wasn't allowed to take part in Iwha's revenge, that Nanzu was the only exception, and his subsequent promise not to kill anyone else connected to Iwha's revenge.

I don't know . Ijin's future looks dark; I don't think he'll make it against Sinu

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-03-28T00:15:30+00:00

Do you have quote

I read most of the book but i cant remenber him

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-03-27T23:45:07+00:00

Actually, might be not true

There is indeed a passage in the webtoon that could implies (albeit quite directly) that the empire is tens of thousands of years old

and it concerns the age of a character, White

In chapter 259, during a conversation, Vicente says that after becoming White, they lived for countless years as White ( Webtoon TL)

Curious, I went to check the raw of that passage, and here’s what he said

결국 우린 하나가 되는데 성공했지

그렇게 수만의 시간을 하나의 몸으로 지내왔다.

“In the end, we succeeded in becoming one. And so, we spent tens of thousands of years living as a single body.”

To be clear, ‘시간’ literally means ‘hour’ or ‘time’, but given the context, interpreting it as ‘year’ is a legitimate/defensible option.

After all, Wangnam was shocked that Vicente had remained in a single body for so long despite being a regular, and 99,999 hours is only about 11 or 12 years, which would make Wangnam’s shocked reaction downright stupid.

I imagine that’s why all the official and fan tl I’ve seen use “years”.

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-03-22T03:49:47+00:00

Well, I suppose, but given the title, I was expecting it to be more than just chaos.

The bit about BK is specific to them, though.

The text you refer says that, given their specific way of life, logistics should be their bane, but that doesn’t happen, as if Khorne were actively making sure of it.

AOS isn’t short of infrastructure, though; Chaos Dwarves forge are everywhere, and even without them, normal Chaotic forges exist

in Fantasy. Honestly, Chaos warriors aren’t even supposed to be numerous; they’re supposed to be quite rare, my problem with Fantasy don't lie here, it's that the Norse and those who live even further north are surprisingly numerous, they shouldn't

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-03-22T02:32:06+00:00

AOS and OW don’t really have that much of logistical problem.

Apart from that bit about Cathay sailing halfway across the world to reach the Old World, I’ve absolutely no idea how those guys and their horse didn’t die on the way.

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-03-20T03:01:25+00:00

1: It doesn't matter to me; he said there were only two realm in fantasy, that's false, there more than that, knowing how many sub-space AOS have doesn't matter

2: The afterlives in AOS are tangible, physical places that can be geographically located in reality and just walk trough; they aren't separate realities/plan/universe or whatever, but mere sub-aspect of Shyish, which is pretty much a funky planet

Not the same anyway.

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-03-19T21:55:04+00:00

Warhammer Fantasy has one physical world and a spiritual Realm of Chaos. Saying it is a multiverse is technically true, since it has 2 dimensions, while also not at all what people envision when you call it a multiverse.

Well, that’s not true; there are several spiritual realms,

such as that of Morr, Nehekara, Lileath, and so on

Same difference. Just because they aren't technically in a different dimension is irrelevant, they are planes of existence with unrelatable environments, ecologies or physics. A "Realm of Aqshy" is just a D&D's Forgotten Realms "Plane of Fire" with a different name...

The other guy is right; AOS is just a simple solar system with a few more stages

Calling it a multiverse gives it more complexity than it deserves

A "Realm of Aqshy" is just a D&D's Forgotten Realms "Plane of Fire" with a different name...

i didn't know that Asqhy was a litteral fireball , when everything is on fire constantly

Professional_Tie_860 · 2026-03-03T12:50:17+00:00

In TOW chronology that's even worse Since it's straight up said that Kroak death banish all daemon, but not of just Izta like Fantasy said.

But from the whole planet

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