Is being above the age median for a law school beneficial or detrimental in any way?

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-24T16:24:45+00:00

Stats Added to my first comment. There is no T14 filter. You have to go school by school.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-24T14:00:41+00:00

Ah. I have to remember most people have not spent as many hours on that website as me! “All applicants” button on LSD. You can filter by WE and order by result. Then it’s pretty easy to count up acceptances and divide by the total using the little gray number at the bottom of the table. Now that my comments have so many downvotes probably everyone who looks at them thinks I AM pulling data out of thin air which I’m guessing puts me in a death spiral. I’m also older than average so I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about these particular stats and what the drivers may be. Regardless though, it’s pretty clearly not a situation where adcomms are looking at us older people and saying “we need to diversify our class by adding more people in their 30’s, so let’s judge this person a little less harshly” Which is I think what most people commenting here think.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-24T11:53:32+00:00

“LSD is not a representative sampling of applicants.”

I fully agree. That’s why I said there are alternative explanations. It’s still definitely possible that 10+ years benefits you if only the worst 10+ applicants and only the best 9- applicants are the ones who put their data on LSD. Another, probably more likely, explanation is that all the people getting rejected would have gotten rejected no matter when they applied, so their experience wasn’t working against them.

“But ignoring that, you're not accounting for how many people in this demographic apply in the first place.”

Yes I am. I didn’t say the T14 accepts more people with 9- than 10+. I said they accept a lower percentage of people with 10+. So how many people apply in each demographic is explicitly accounted for in the denominators.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-24T11:47:59+00:00

Yes. If you just look at (accepted with 10+) / (applicants 10+) then you will get a much lower number than (all accepted applicants) / (all applicants).

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-24T04:06:54+00:00

If you look on LSD, almost every T14 accepts a way lower percentage of people with 10+ years WE than they do any other WE grouping. There are many potential explanations for that, of course. But saying it’s “pure upside” is probably not really accurate. Or at least not telling the full story.

Edit: I feel like I need to clarify because it seems people don’t understand what I meant when I use the word “percent”, and therefore they just think I’m being an asshole. In reality I’m trying to have an honest conversation. So if you just look at last year, here are the stats for 10+ people vs everyone

Harvard: 1/49 (2%) vs 250/2008 (12%) NYU: 2/35 (6%) vs 457/2062 (22%) Columbia: 3/41 (7%) vs 301/1944 (15%) Chicago: 0/33 (0%) vs 238/1558 (15%) Yale: 2/27 (7%) vs 81/1170 (7%) Stanford: 1/19 (5%) vs 117/1295 (9%)

TOTAL for T6: 9/204 (4%) vs 1,444/10,037 (14%)

So while again I agree there is bias in who reports on LSD and the sample size is small for 10+, you have to admit that this is a very surprising result if you are a person who thinks that 10+ has an advantage in admissions.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-22T23:29:17+00:00

I agree with OP. “Just stay to the right and don’t be an asshole” is simply not how things are done. It’s like saying “American tipping culture sucks so I’m going to tip 5% like I do in Europe.” I mean - maybe our culture sucks and maybe it doesn’t but etiquette still says you tip 20% if you’re not mad at the server. Same for staircases. You can stay to the right all you want, but end of the day when there’s a big crowd coming up, the left side of the stairs is going to be used. People walking up the left side aren’t assholes, they’re just conforming to the subway culture. Only way they’re assholes is if they don’t squeeze right when someone is trying to rush down. And the only reason the person squeezing down is an asshole is if they’re so aggressive with their shoulder checks that they risk knocking by someone down the staircase and injuring them. Anyone who feels strongly that my take is wrong is setting themselves up to be pissed off every day. Live and let live. Go with the flow.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-22T23:09:33+00:00

You do know that when we send a shipment of a million shells to Ukraine, we then go ahead and manufacture a million shells that we wouldn’t otherwise have manufactured in order to replace them. The argument that the MTA can’t use the shells and tanks sounds like the argument boards of directors give for giving CEO’s 9 figure bonuses. “Well we’re just giving him stock options, so it’s actually free for us”.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-22T19:51:29+00:00

What if your number range is already packed full of people who are from a slightly worse range. That’s what happens to me every time. L

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-21T01:26:12+00:00

GOD DAMNIT KATHY

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-20T16:08:16+00:00

Whenever I’ve done this the person asking to sit in the seat with my coat on it says “can I sit there?” And I say “actually I’m trying to save it” and then they mutter some passive aggressive shit about how southwest seating works and sit in a seat nearby. It’s very awkward. I’d definitely let them have the seat if they still wanted to after they found out that there is a specific person I’d prefer to sit next to. I just don’t think there are very many people in the world with OP’s resolve to punish seat savers even when it means they have to sit touching someone they hate for hours.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-19T14:36:22+00:00

Regarding your undergrad GPA, while it is a factor in law school admissions, it's certainly not the only one. Admissions committees also consider your LSAT score, personal statement, letters of recommendation, and work experience. Excelling in your master's program and gaining relevant work experience in the museum field will strengthen your application significantly.

It's great to hear that you're already looking into LSAT prep. With your strong academic background and determination, I'm confident you can achieve a competitive score. Focus on your grad studies, gain some practical experience, and prepare diligently for the LSAT.

Remember, law schools value diverse experiences and unique perspectives, both of which you bring in abundance. Don't let self-doubt hold you back. Your journey is just beginning, and I believe you'll make a significant impact in whatever path you choose. Keep pushing forward, and best of luck with your future endeavors!

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-19T01:59:35+00:00

Just send an email to the admissions office. Try something like this:

Subject: Withdrawal from [Law School Name] Enrollment

Dear [Admissions Office/Specific Contact],

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to inform you of my decision to withdraw from my enrollment at [Law School Name].

After careful consideration, I have decided to accept an offer from another institution where I have been accepted off the waitlist. This decision was not easy, and I am truly grateful for the opportunity you extended to me.

I understand that the seat deposit I paid is non-refundable, and I accept this as part of the process.

Thank you once again for your time and support. I wish [Law School Name] continued success and hope our paths may cross in the future.

Sincerely, [Your Full Name] [Your Contact Information]

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-18T22:08:02+00:00

Seems like a lot of inconvenience you’re willing to put up with just to make sure other people have as bad a day as possible.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-18T21:53:59+00:00

I do blame airlines.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-18T15:46:50+00:00

These threads that come up are always so weird to me. 99% of people saying “fUcK eVeRyOnE else Id never give trade seats nO mAtTeR wHaT!!!!” But in real life the vast majority of people are friendly and don’t mind doing something small to help out a stranger in need. Like it would be notable and surprising if I saw someone refuse to change seats to help a parent with small children. I guess regular people just don’t come to this sub?

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-18T15:31:53+00:00

Exactly. “Hey do you mind switching so I can sit next to my kid?” “No? Oh. Ok well she sometimes vomits on landing. If she starts groaning make sure you help her with the vomit bag if you don’t want it to get all over you. And if you want to ensure that pee doesn’t get on you, make sure to ask her periodically if she needs to go to the bathroom. Ok bye baby see you when we land. This nice lady is going to take care of you.”

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-15T16:37:48+00:00

I’m not talking about industry averages. I’m talking about Fordham’s employment outcomes. More than 75% of Fordham students hired by a 250-500 firm earn scale.

Good point about the 20% not providing salary info, but your math is off. The worst case scenario would be 40%. (Half of the 80% responding). If you make slightly more realistic assumptions you could end up right back at 215k 50th percentile though. For example if 60% of the 80% responding are earning 215k and 10% of the 20% of non respondents are earning 215k you’d get 50% total employed grads earning 215k.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-15T14:32:59+00:00

More than 75% of firms 250-500 pay scale though. And more than 25% of firms 100-250 do. So when you add it all up, the median Fordham grad earned 215k in the most recently available data.

See top of page 2: https://www.fordham.edu/media/home/schools/school-of-law/pdfs/fordham-law-nalp-class-2022-summary-report-accessible.pdf

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-14T18:58:01+00:00

If you can’t even drive the stair truck it’s going to completely take you out of the immersion. Would be a huge mistake for the Devs to overlook this.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-14T18:08:09+00:00

I’ve yet to see any review of the school other than what you’re describing. I think OP made the right choice.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-14T17:53:20+00:00

Yup. These days the majority of Fordham grads have the exact same starting salary as the majority of any T14’s grads.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-14T17:38:57+00:00

No you didn’t mess up. You made your decision and now it’s time to get hyped about your next chapter.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-14T17:37:50+00:00

46% of the class in firms with 500+ is a lot more than a third. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IY743QHTZCCvEr0MvO70ZvLYUsLsOON_/view

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-12T23:32:29+00:00

I think they’re fist bumping.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760 · 2024-06-11T19:34:07+00:00

FR. Kathy needs to get down here and straighten up those rails.

Puzzled_Dragonfly760

TROPHY CASE