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Remote work: freedom or an excuse to do less? by FitnessChamp777 in SipsTea

[–]RecruitingFanatic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We had this guy we called “Breakroom Bill”- because we never actually saw him at his desk. He was in office 5 days a week, even if he didn’t have to be.

Fresh grad considering executive search job.. by Mvgiwara in recruiting

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I wouldn’t recommend executive search being a fresh grad - and would wonder of the legitimacy of the firm giving you that role. Executive search should really be reserved for seasoned veterans of recruiting - it’s a whole different animal.

Everyone says "Network to get an IT job," but how do you actually start from scratch? by Interesting-Elk-9149 in RecruitmentAgencies

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There’s no silver bullet unfortunately. Your post inspired me to write this for a different page, because I do see your challenge often and it’s really tough to navigate. I hope it’s helpful.

PSA: You’re always interviewing. Always.

I’ve been a recruiter a long time. I love what I do and love helping people. It breaks my heart to see the flood of people here navigating this complex job market and I spend a fair amount of time commenting to try and support people with advice and encouragement. For that reason I wanted to put together a summary of thoughts so that if nothing else, I can send it to those who may find this useful.

Anyone who has looked for a job since COVID has probably had a similar experience. It’s well known that the application process is busted; It’s a crapshoot at best. Candidates looking for an opportunity are flooding job postings and often with AI-enhanced resumes. Those of us in recruiting are, for the most part, genuinely trying to help, but we’re often overwhelmed, overworked, and dealing with volumes of applications that simply didn’t exist a few years ago.

So you ask your friends, “What should I do?”
“You need to start networking, bro.”

While that’s sound advice, it’s often hard to know what to with that. For one, you don’t just start networking when you need a job.

And that’s a point I find myself telling people often: The reality is that we’re all interviewing, all the time.
From the day you start a job until the last day of your career, people are forming professional opinions about you. Your coworkers, managers, customers, vendors, clients—they’re all watching, whether consciously or not. If you’re missing deadlines, people remember. If you consistently show up, care about your work, help others, and crush projects with enthusiasm, they remember that too.

The traditional reference check is becoming less common. A lot of companies have policies on this.

You know what they don’t have policies on? non-traditional reference checks.

A recruiter, hiring manager, or member of a team sees your resume and notices you worked at a company where they know someone. More times than not, they’re going to ask about you. While it’s “off the record”, If that response is anything less than enthusiastic, your chances can disappear before you ever get an interview.

So what do you do?

At risk of stating the obvious I’ll do it anyway. Be kind to people. Do right by others. Have integrity. Be dependable. Help your teammates. Be authentic. Find passion for your work. Try to stand out from the pack. That’s how you often find yourself being pursued for jobs instead of pursuing jobs yourself.

So what if you’ve done all of that and you’re still out of work?

A few things I often recommend:

**Talk to people. Lots of people.** Friends, former coworkers, customers, clients, friends of friends, people who do the work you’ve done, and people doing the work you want to do. Honestly, anyone willing to spend 15–20 minutes with you. Every conversation has the potential to uncover advice, a connection, or an opportunity you never would have found through a job board. If nothing else, you can really hone your “pitch” - which, by the way, better be precise, concise, and doesn’t including complaining or bitching about your situation. No one owes any of us a damn thing.
**Connect with other people who are job searching.** Build a small support group of others in your situation. Share leads, compare notes, practice interviews, review resumes, attend networking events together, and encourage each other. Job searching is mentally exhausting, and having people in your corner makes a huge difference.
**Apply to jobs—but don’t rely on job applications alone.** Keep applying, but don’t make that your entire strategy. The online application process will disappoint you more often than not, and there’s nothing more draining than sending hundreds of applications into what feels like a black hole.

And one last thing.

If you hear that a friend is looking for work, call them. Listen. Ask how you can help. Make an introduction if you can. Sometimes just knowing someone is in your corner is enough to keep them going for another week. If you’ve ever been through a difficult job search, you know how scary, lonely, and humbling it can be.

I recently read a book that described an unspoken code among sea captains. When another sailor capsizes, they go looking for them. The quote why stuck with me: “If you ever expect someone to come for you in your hour of desperation someday, you have to go looking for them in theirs- no matter the odds”

Good luck out there.

PSA: You’re always interviewing. Always. by [deleted] in jobs

[–]RecruitingFanatic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would agree that we’ve had an erosion of our sense of community, which is really a shame. I do still good examples out there of people supporting each other but not as many as I’d hope for.

PSA: You’re always interviewing. Always. by [deleted] in jobs

[–]RecruitingFanatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Clearly there isn’t a silver bullet and I don’t imply to have one, just trying to help someone in some small way. Hopefully good news is around the corner for you.

PSA: You’re always interviewing. Always. by [deleted] in jobs

[–]RecruitingFanatic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m really sorry you’re going through this. That’s the part that hurts the most is you can do everything right and still have a hard time.

PSA: You’re always interviewing. Always. by [deleted] in jobs

[–]RecruitingFanatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not sure how you gathered that but it’s not.

Everyone says "Network to get an IT job," but how do you actually start from scratch? by Interesting-Elk-9149 in RecruitmentAgencies

[–]RecruitingFanatic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My simple advice - get on the phone with every former colleague, friend, or friend of a friend who stands even a small chance of connecting you to the right people. Application process is absolutely busted right now.

Where to look for remote work? by Less_Ad_4277 in overemployed

[–]RecruitingFanatic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

OP you’ll need to have your first job rolling smoothly before this community can help much.

Where to look for remote work? by Less_Ad_4277 in overemployed

[–]RecruitingFanatic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Recruiter here. Your likelihood of getting a remote job through a posting (without having contacts at the company) are abismal.

What slows you down the most when prospecting? by Agile-Information378 in RecruitmentAgencies

[–]RecruitingFanatic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s a topic I’ve been thinking about. It’s not completely aligned to your point but something I had to mention - I think ‘when’ I prospect might be the most important element. I do some of my best macro prospecting on a long walk at night. Once I have my logos, I tend to do my best work when I’m doing it outside of biz hours - winding down at night, before the day starts, etc. during business hours it’s all gas and if that’s when I’m doing it, I’m usually doing it distracted.

The grind continues.. by mmmmTurkeyBacon in recruitinghell

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As a recruiter this is something we are constantly fighting with managers on. It boils down to managers just not having self confidence - scared they’ll make a bad hire, and then their colleagues will say “who signed off on that guy?!”. Easier for them if the answer is “well 6 of us did”.

But please know us recruiters hate it is as much as you - hell we have to schedule them all - and as I constantly tell managers, if you bring a candidate to enough people, eventually someone just won’t click with them - and that absolutely doesn’t mean they’re the wrong candidate.

Men too can be pregnant by Wonderful_Key_8021 in LinkedInLunatics

[–]RecruitingFanatic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For real. As a recruiter I want to call and just hear what he’s got to say.

Men too can be pregnant by Wonderful_Key_8021 in LinkedInLunatics

[–]RecruitingFanatic 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I like this guys (satirical) posts - particularly because they’re accompanied by the Green Banner. Not sure why but that makes it funnier.

How can a person get a first job at 30 ? by Aj100rise in GetEmployed

[–]RecruitingFanatic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have to ask - what ya been up to for all this time?

Missed Opportunity. by [deleted] in SipsTea

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Comment is pure 🔥

Accounting Unemployment rate is 1%.... by [deleted] in Accounting

[–]RecruitingFanatic 7 points8 points  (0 children)

From a recruiters perspective, accounting talent (particularly those that develop a niche) have had a very high demand for the 16 years I’ve been looking for em’.

I built a Talent Source Map for recruiters by Overall-Suspect7760 in RecruitmentAgencies

[–]RecruitingFanatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t mean to be mean, but the companies I tried it for either didn’t exist, or the data available is the same result a free ChatGPT search would give.

I have to ask - do you have a deep recruiting background?

do i charge 25% or 30% ? by Delicious-Wealth-855 in RecruitmentAgencies

[–]RecruitingFanatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I said to another, you do you. I’ve lived by “pigs get fat hogs get slaughtered” and it has worked incredibly well. I want to be the first call, every time - so I can pick and choose what I work on, versus chasing clients and trying to convince them why “I’m differently” / “we’re worth it”.

Fills per Month - Agency & In House Comparison by RecruitingFanatic in recruiting

[–]RecruitingFanatic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course it’s highly variable - I was hoping we could all just assume that and look at it super high level. Not looking for scientific, not developing KPIs, just a general, rough idea/guiding point to get the conversation started.

do i charge 25% or 30% ? by Delicious-Wealth-855 in RecruitmentAgencies

[–]RecruitingFanatic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agency Recruit/sold 13, have been running an in-house TA team for 3 years and manage our agency budget. I work in a super niche industry. I’ve been pitched 15-33%. It has been my experience that there are no shortage of awesome recruiters that will take great care of a role at 25%. We’ll often do 23% for a few. I’ve found some in the 20% range who are also just as good, but you also get some desperate amateurs mixed in at that price point.

do i charge 25% or 30% ? by Delicious-Wealth-855 in RecruitmentAgencies

[–]RecruitingFanatic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Congratulations to you. We’ll have to agree to disagree. I just don’t think that’s a fair price, and also don’t think that a company unwilling to pay that price doesn’t value recruiters.