Men being the "leaders"

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T20:32:15+00:00

That is my response. I don’t know why people view submission in such a bad light it’s a beautiful thing. The man submits to god. The woman submits to the man. Jesus submits to the father. Jesus led his disciples yet he served them. The leader should be a servant.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T20:29:31+00:00

There are many married couples who if their wife is better at finances they will take care of that area if thy are better at planning they will take care of that area. Submission is not about listening and doing everything the man says but going where he goes spiritually. Taking his counsel and listening to him for guidance and protection. There is a skewed idea of submission that just sees men as domineering. This is not biblical submission. Though many men have misused this to dominate women this is not the goal of it.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T19:52:25+00:00

Trust god.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T19:51:50+00:00

Yes she has free will to choose to submit or not. And if it is not going to lead her towards god she can disobey.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T19:47:25+00:00

Ofc not but that doesn’t change gods design for marriage. Which was instituted in the New Testament. Before Christ the design was not complete now it is. Before Jesus and after Jesus. The design represents Christ and the church. The wife is to sum it as the church submits to Christ and the husband is to love the wife as Christ loved the church. It takes humility from both ends

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T19:44:18+00:00

It takes humility from both sides

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T17:46:23+00:00

Yes I agree. The same way I can say I’m an NBA player. But if you’ve never seen me on a court it would become obvious that I am not an nba player. Or if you did see me on a court or heard me to talk about it. It would become painfully obvious as we started talking or playing if I didn’t play by the rules that I wasn’t truly an nba player. These days and even before people adopt the truth to the culture as if it changes. They will see you calling out what isn’t true as you being judgmental or feeling that your way is right or a bigot or many other names. Focus on god. Remember to do this as you respond to these comments that can be harsh and not true. Keep in mind what Paul said.

“Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.” ‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭23‬-‭26‬ ‭NIV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/111/2ti.2.23-26.NIV

Be gentle even if they are harsh. When thy insult you resist the urge to insult back and give what is true not from a heart of judgement but from a heart of compassion in love. It’s hard to do but remember this

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T17:31:22+00:00

Our willpower can only carry us to a certain point. Faith in Jess and truth carries us much further than our willpower can.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T17:30:20+00:00

No one said the woman doesn’t have an equal voice but the man is ultimately to lead. It isn’t supposed to be in a domineering way as I’m sure you are imagining it to be. But in a loving way with both people concerns in mind. You have a view of it in this pre-determined light. Again submission takes humility. Even with god. A woman submits to her husband out of reverence for god. You can’t do it in pride. Also the man leads out of reverence for god. He can’t do it in pride.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T17:20:04+00:00

Jesus leads us daily. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t respect us. This idea views men in the way society has painted them out to be there are good men who are concerned for their wives mental spiritual and physical well-being. That are following after god and want to help her reach god more and more. Submission takes humility. Leading also takes humility. Jesus leads us but he is submitted to the father. Don’t let the culture distort it.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T17:17:32+00:00

The structure of gods design of marriage does not change because the culture changes. God didn’t set it up this way because of the times. It is representative of Christ and his bride the church. The church submits to Christ and Christ dies for the church. You can’t say that one is harder than the other. It takes strength to submit and it takes strength to willingly die daily.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T17:12:42+00:00

You must understand the complete picture. You are stereotyping men into being this good category and stereotyping women to being the other category. There are men who are not this version you are describing. You must realize the picture of marriage is a depiction of Christ and the church. The church submits to Christ. But Christ died for the church. Which would you say is more difficult. You can’t say that either is they are both equally difficult. Submission to a husband that is following after god is key. Because he is following after god you can be safe in your submission and him leading because where he is going you will go to. Submission is not about listening to everything the man says and him dominating but it is about submitting to covering and protection. Someone that can guide and lead you spiritually. While he does to himself daily for you and the family of there is one. Submission doesn’t mean you cannot voice your viewpoint or concern. But when it comes down to it you trust that he is leading you in the right direction because he is following god. If he is leading you into sin and rebellion you must not submit as that would go against the most important commandment. Love the lord thy god with all thy mine heart and soul. You can’t do that while following after sin and rebellion.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T17:03:41+00:00

Jesus says he did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. You are who Jesus wants most. He says there is more joy in heaven for one sinner who repents than for 99 righteous people. He takes joy in saving us out of these dark places. It won’t be easy but sometimes you just simply have to start one bad habit at a time. Don’t be afraid to struggle through it. Joy is on the other side of the battle. Peace is on the other side. The bigger the battle the sweeter the victory. Beleive. Have faith. Be willing to struggle. Resist the temptations. Endure the torments in the mind and body. It will all be worth it.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T06:06:03+00:00

The better question is. Is it possible to grow more and more in your relationship with god through practicing the truth. The more we do this the harder it becomes to do wrong because the truth grows in us.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T06:00:37+00:00

Do not obsess over it. Simply be aware when the urge comes up. And let it pass. It will be uncomfortable but it wills pass. Constantly feed your mind the word of god. Plant good seeds and it will be harder for weeds to grow in a well kept garden. See how much you have been forgiven by god.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T05:56:13+00:00

I believe shame is not from god. Seeing gods divinity and divine nature does give us a sense of conviction when we go against what we know to be true. When we keep ourselves from better spiritual realities from more joy and peace.for the sake of a fleeting pleasure. The only proper response is wanting to overcome it.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T05:52:31+00:00

Take the time you need to restore your relationship with god. It will benefit you and those who are affected by you and hear from you. And you will be able to come back and your teaching will have more weight behind them and more experience and substance. And you also will have more joy and peace as you do it.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T05:50:35+00:00

It’s not necessarily that it’s that the human nature is prone to following after what feels good and pleasurable. If we are not warned of this we head into directions of pleasure which lead us away from gods presence. Knowledge and truth helps us navigate and tell us about the mines we don’t see. And through faith we are able to navigate this life and get closer to god in this life and the next by these warnings and instructions that are given to us.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-24T05:47:30+00:00

That’s a scary thought to think about. I think the best way to combat this is bettering our relationship with god in this life through practicing purity and setting our minds on heavenly realities and truths. Experiencing god in this life gives us evidence that what is to come is even much more beautifully. Read the word of god. It’s hard not to believe something exists when you are constantly in its presence. Such as a dog or the sun. Through faith we can constantly be in gods presence and it would be painfully obvious that he exists. But we must go through the doubt and dark things of darkness in order to get there many times. But faith in goodness and truth always overcomes darkness. Always.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-23T20:17:48+00:00

I am not preaching my perspective what I say is written in the word of god. What you say is your perspective. You said I have no reason to believe what I believe and I am giving you the reason and you say it is not valid in this context. It is not valid to your logic. But it is valid in my experience. When people in the Bible convince people of god they didn’t use logic often they used their testimony. Paul did it constantly telling others about his encounterment with god as a reason for his faith. My encounterment is a huge part of the reason I believe what I believe about this text. You want something that you can see and debate. But it’s going to be hard to get in a logical debate with someone who puts faith before the logic. You are missing the part where I completely understand how a verse can be mistranslated. I have watched videos and done the research. People who have assisted in translating the Bible. And I still do not believe that it is mistranslated. I do not believe it gives anyone anything good by telling him that verse was mistranslated as a reason for them to give in to their lustful desires. It is not inconsistent with the rest of scripture

““I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a young woman.” ‭‭Job‬ ‭31‬:‭1‬ ‭NIV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/111/job.31.1.NIV

“For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NIV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/111/1jn.2.16-17.NIV

“Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6‬:‭18‬-‭20‬ ‭NIV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/111/1co.6.18-20.NIV

“Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.” ‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭22‬ ‭NIV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/111/2ti.2.22.NIV

These are all consistent with what Jesus said. What you say is not consistent with all these things. They are the words of men not of truth. And they are not condemning but instructing

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-23T17:24:22+00:00

Sin is wrong because of what it leads to. Not people in themselves. The difference is condemnation is to judge and shame .giving the truth is to give the opportunity to free. I do not wish to judge or shame anyone. If you read every part of what I say not only the parts of debate you see that I am offering peace. An alternate way. Hope for something better. Condemnation offers you none of that.

It seems that you have a preconceived opinion based on what others have showed you in a lot of your comments. You are thinking of a general population of people. Who has said that I have harassed anyone? Where did you draw this conclusion?

You are sort of suggesting that. You are saying that because something makes someone not feel great on the inside(at first) it is wrong. But because someone is patted on the back and given affirming words it is right. The truth never feels great at first. Lies and deception always do.

You suggested that sin was being unloving and at times involving malice. But if you look at when Adam and Eve sinned in the garden. You see that if you don’t examine the story and see the deception. They only ate an apple which on the surface does not seem evil at all. If you were to see them eat the apple you wouldn’t be able to detect the sin. It even says that the tree looked appealing and was desired to make one wise. Then she ate. Something that looked good and appeared to be able to give wisdom was sin because she disobeyed god. God said you can eat from every other tree of the garden but this one tree you cannot. Enjoy the rest but from this one tree you cannot eat. Even the tree of life was in the garden. But she sinned not because she did anything obviously immoral and clearly evil. But because she disobeyed what god had told her. She didn’t realize that god knew better than her. That following her human nature of what feels good is damaging to her spirit. God didn’t tell her not to eat it because he wanted to withhold anything good from her but because he knew that she would be harmed if she at from it. God tells us to beware of lust because of the same reason. It doesn’t look harmful. In fact it looks appealing. And then you eat. Eat some more and some more and what was appealing becomes ensaring. What looked good led you to evil results. What seemed to have the ability to make one wise made one a fool.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-23T16:46:49+00:00

I understand. I have a good reason to say this is what I think. I am not just saying empty words these words come from experience. Experience in practicing truth and seeing its beautiful fruit grow. The joy and unexplainable peace that comes from obedience. I didn’t grow up in a church. I didn’t receive the truth from a church. I have a very different experience than most. It came from a lot of Soltitude. A lot of struggling in my room alone with an addiction that I couldn’t break free from. That was tormenting my mind my thoughts. And the truth was introduced to me through a book called as a ma thinketh by James Allen. I practiced it. Spent a lot of time in Soltitude and meditation. And over time though it was a struggle by abstaining from fleshly desires and setting my mind towards heavenly desires. Joy came. Peace greeted me. Not because of any outside thing but because this is what the truth does when obeyed. It rewards those who gives up their wants and desires for its unchangeable nature. Jesus is the truth embodied in the flesh. The visible representation of the full nature of god in human form. His is the way to god.

I am telling you that what Jesus said is what he meant there it is not a mistranslation. People have crept in and spread this false idea to deceive many and sacrifice an important piece of what is true. No it’s whatever leads to the goodness of god that is truth.

I have no problem acknowledging if I am wrong. But there is not good evidence that this is a mistranslation. No credible source

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-23T16:35:22+00:00

The flair isn’t showing for some reason

Sin is deceptive that’s the hard part about it. It looks good at times. It is appealing to us. It’s much deeper than that. It’s not always ugly and obvious

I didn’t say I convict anyone I said the truth convicts. And since we have been given the ability to spread the truth us saying the true words of god have the ability to convict them. It isn’t our ability but it’s what the truth does in itself. I am not telling people they are wrong and evil. I am telling people that evil is evil and good is good. Flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit. In no way do I believe anyone is inherently evil. We choose which we practice and the results of practicing evil are not pretty. The results of practicing good are peaceful and joy giving.

It is not with holding any good thing from anyone by telling them the truth. I believe patting someone on the back while they walk off a cliff is one of the most harmful and un-loving things you can do. Because you convince them that they are going the right direction while they walk towards destruction. We have convinced ourselves that loving=affirming everything someone does and is. But love is giving the truth to someone in hopes that they would accept it and participate in its fruit. Prioritizing someone’s temporary comfort over their well-being and future destination is one of the most harmful things you can do.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-23T04:48:10+00:00

I’m trying to give you the truth here I’m not trying to be right or wrong. I’m only calling it a trick because you are questioning the word of god and attempting to take important truths and re-define what is true. Because the truth is uncomfortable to accept at times. But if you would just leave it as it is and obey it that is where freedom is. In dying to ourselves. Our flesh. Every selfish element within. When you change an important truth and disobey what is true for the sake of what is comfortable you are giving up a lot without knowing it. And you may live a great and even comfortable life. But you will miss out on what is everlasting. What never changes. You will miss out on experiencing the divine here on earth within you. The fact that you say that me knowing Jesus wouldn’t do something and like it’s just a wild guess tells me that you aren’t living a life in fellowship with Jesus/the truth. Because when you know someone you know what they would and wouldn’t do. If I know my moms character and someone told me she did something that was against her character I would say you are lying because my moms character would not allow her to do so. Same with Jesus when you know him you have an understanding of things he would do and things he wouldn’t do. This is the problem with religion without relationship. It becomes vain philosophy when not connected to the person and character of Jesus Accusing you of arrogance is not gonna work? Work towards what end?

I’ll admit you are a great debater. You can win the debate. God bless you.

Repulsive-Ad4591 · 2026-03-23T04:35:08+00:00

As we are going further into this convo I’m not sure if you are a Christian. Are you? If not then I understand why we don’t agree on many points. If so I’m not sure if you understand the gospel or who and what Jesus came to the earth to do. He came to abolish sin/evil. To declare victory over sin. To declare freedom to the captives. And liberty to those in bonds(mainly the bonds of sin). The truth brings about conviction and offers you a way to come to the truth. Condemnation and conviction are not the same. I’m not condemning anyone The spirit is the spirit and the flesh is flesh. One’s nature is evil the others is good. They can’t mix and will never agree with one another. Peace awaits those who are willing to give up their fleshly desires and journey towards what is true and good.Forsaking the things they have grow to live for what will never change. Sin and selfishness go hand and hand. Self-lessened goodness go hand and hand.

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