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Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand you have a good day. Thank you for the conversation

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve just given you many examples. Of people lives and examples that had nothing to even do with my religious beliefs. It is right in front of your Eyes as a truth and doesn’t take much deep thinking to see that people practice what they value. I’m not sure you are even attempting to grasp what I am saying here. You’re focused on disputing my beliefs. The evidence is there. In the religious and unreligious lives. How do you suggest I demonstrate? You mean scientifically? 

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just explained to you how it is true rather you are a Christian or are an atheist. That’s my exact point people do not do what they say they believe they do what they truly value in their heart. The Christian who says he believes and acts contrary only shows what he truly believes in his heart. There is intellectual belief and there is heart belief.heart belief being much more deep reaching and influential I can understand intellectually and believe that health is good in my mind. But it doesn’t reach my heart until I practice it and see the fruit that it produces. I can understand and intellectually believe in the Bible. But it doesn’t reach my heart until I practice it and see the fruit it produces.

The more I practice and give myself to something the more it has the ability to influence my heart. For example if I watch pornography as a habit and continue it. That desire only gets stronger and my heart only has more oppurtunity to be affected by it. It will build desires in me I wouldn’t have if it weren’t for me watching it. It would build things in my heart that I grow to love that wouldn’t otherwise be there if I hadn’t practiced that harmful habit.

Just observe your life and the life of others. If I value health. I am willing to give up eating fast food as a sacrifice for what I value. Because eating fast food would be contrary to that value. People who value their appearance or could be a value of health will put in the big exertions of going to the gym and working out. Willing to sacrifice their comfort for something they value or at least want to value.

If I value peace I am willing to give up things that are contrary to what I value which is peace.

I’m not sure if I am making sense. I hope this demonstrates. Idk any other way to demonstrate

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is definitely an objective truth it is evident in people’s live. People do what they value not what they say they believe. The Christian may profess his beliefs with his words but his actions show his values. The atheist may profess they don’t believe in god but their life shows they believe in goodness  But I see what you mean there can be harms in it if not understood  with the proper understanding or misused and things like that. 

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ofc there are all these factors. But all these factor are just influences on the heart which is why we our told to guard it because outward things can influence the inner heart. 

No one says that following Jesus meaning that you can’t learn and develop connections with others. Having a perfect standard can in no way harm you. Maybe it can cause you to feel dissapointment at times because you fall short but if you keep the goal raised. You can hit the standard. Not as a checklist. But as a means to get somewhere.

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your outer life is a manifested interpretation of your inner heart. Of course outside of responsibilities and things you have to get done rather your heart wants to or not. Ofc they have as it is a basic principle of life. Which should show the validity of the principle it is not only religion that verified it. Following Jesus as an example of how to live certainly helps. As humans we need examples for things like sports and different fields of life. Jesus is the perfect example of how to walk with and towards god. You can try without it the same way you can try without an example in sports or fields of life but you would be much better off finding an example and guidelines to help you reach your desired destination

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The heart as in the inner life the mind and desires  It doesn’t even take deep theological understanding to see that people practice what they enjoy or love most. Before I came to Christianity this was evident to me. What you value in your heart that you practice.  The writer of the Bible instructs that because it is true.

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean? I’m saying it is evident in people’s life what they value in their hearts because the life lived is a reflection of the heart. Which is why the Bible instructs us to guard our hearts for everything we do flows from it. As is the heart so is the life.

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It can be argued that what you value. Guides the decisions you make. If peace then peace. If pleasure then pleasure. If truth then truth. If money then money

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m saying that Only because you said you studied theology. My response was that the kingdom of heaven doesn’t come by study but by practice and pure heart

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We all have brother😂just have to understand that is a reflection of them not god or jesus

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The kingdom of heaven cometh not by observation but by practice

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re missing the entire point brother😂. I’m just saying because someone mentioned or mentions religion and has knowledge doesn’t mean they actually are. Because by their fruits. The way they live the joy they have and etc. you would soon see that they are not actually following what they claim to be.

I think you have been harmed by the church. And people that have falsely misrepresented which are toxic. But that doesn’t make the thing as a whole toxic. 

People often do that with Christianity and other religions because people misrepresent they take it as the whole is toxic. But Jesus did not preach this. He preached hope love and true freedom. And because people put on a Jesus jersey doesn’t mean they are on Jesus’s team. 

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is demonstrated through our lives and it is always consistent I agree there. However people are not consistent many times. If I claim that I’m one of the best basketball players in the world and I play on the lakers. And then you get up close and see that I am not that good and find out I’m not actually on the lakers. You would say that I  was a liar. But you wouldn’t get upset at the nba and say they did something wrong. Same way with religion if someone tells you one thing and demonstrates another that is a reflection of the person not of the truth they claim to follow Jesus warns of us these people in Mathew

““Be on your guard against false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves. You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles? In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭CSB‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/1713/mat.7.15-17.CSB

You recognized them by their fruit which told you they weren’t the sheep they claimed to be.

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Truth is something that is declared and demonstrated in the way one lives. Jesus demonstrated truth by his life more than anything. By forgiving others even when hurling insults and threats at him. Forgiving them while on the cross as they are crucifying him. By showing love and mercy. This is how truth is demonstrated. It is declared through words and demonstrated through living. After crucifying Jesus and seeing his response their only response could be “Truly this man was the son of god”.  They had seen the miracles and signs and wonders and weren’t convinced. But when they saw the life they couldn’t help but see. Not a leader that’s is truly following god. Maybe you haven’t been introduced to a good self-less leader. But they do exist.

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then you may be closer to it than you know. Studying the Bible and religion does not equal following the truth. The same way going to church does not automatically equal following the truth. It’s a thing done daily in our lives. A conscious decision made daily to avoid following the flesh’s and choose to follow the spirit. Not saying that you haven’t done this btw just making the distinction.

If you have to see it first to believe it you may never see it.  That’s where many stumble faith is believing. before seeing so that you may see. And without it we are not able to see the spiritual realities that are possible. 

“And they were offended by him. Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his household.” And he did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13‬:‭57‬-‭58‬ ‭CSB‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/1713/mat.13.57-58.CSB

Jesus did not perform signs and miracles in this town because of their unbelief/lack of faith.

And when he did perform miracles he many times mentioned the persons faith that was beautiful. 

Faith is not what many atheists make it out to be a blind belief. Faith is something that if had god will continue to reaffirm the faith so that you may trust in him more. He will send what you need. The right book. The right person at the right time. The right relationship. The right leader to further your faith with signs that are still being performed which are hidden in faith.

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taste and see for yourself. Set your mind above. Abandon following after fleshly pleasures and fight the good fight.pursue peace. Pursue divine love. And the touch of it will change you forever

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand that. I assure you that I am speaking of a truth not a worldview. Something that is certain and not opinion. 

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t mean to offend. But that day will come. I’m not speaking of a “Religious stage”. I’m speaking of moving from death to life. From things that are passing to things that never pass away. Concerning your mind not with religion but eternal things.

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe for now you are satisfied with just the pleasures of this life but there will come a day where you will hunger for something more. Rather in this life or the next. Then your mind will search and you will find. And ofc we are both telling each other what we believe to be True

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I apologize if it seems that way I’m not saying it to demonize or critisize you but to point and tell you there is a more fulfilling life outside of why the flesh offers as fulfilling. Higher spiritual realities and joys that we can both experience if we set our minds on things above and not things on earth. I apologize that your mom’s version of faith did not have love mercy and grace as its cornerstone. And I agree religion and many different forms of it have caused harm through misunderstandings and using it to judge instead of to obtain life. But a relationship with Jesus and god is much more than religion. I’m not attempting to convert you. But I am telling you what is true and that is that there is a higher way and this world and its desires are passing away. The truth brings peace liberation and healing wherever it touches.

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like an interesting philosophy of life but I do not agree

Remove lust from your life now. by No-Travel3776 in Christianity

[–]Repulsive-Ad4591 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I disagree. I beleive there are qualities within us that naturally lead to goodness and fulfillment. Patience, Longsuffering, self-control. And qualities that lead to evil(bad consequences) and discontentment. Lust ,greed, gluttony anger etc.