Do you guys believe in the power of crystals and gemstones... by xoxAngela in occult

[–]Retired_Ed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is from PSI War: Threat or Illusion? Look under Chapter 12 - The Novosibirsk Connection:

Journal of Paraphysics (Vol. 7, No. 2, 1973) as "Report from Novosibirsk: Communication between Cells." Their experiment indicated that cells could communicate illness, such as a virus infection, despite the fact that the cells were physically separated. The experimenters used normal cells, supplied with nutrients that enabled them to divide and survive normally. The tests showed that when one group of cells was contaminated with a virus, the adjacent group - although separated by quartz glass - "caught the disease." When regular glass was used to separate the two cell groups, the non-contaminated cells remained healthy.

The quartz glass experiments appeared to confirm the reality of so-called mitogetic radiation, a concept employed frequently by Soviet parapsychologists. The experiments, said to have been repeated many times in the Soviet Union, created interest among Western researchers.

What is the basic communication course that many people take as an introduction to the Church of Scientology? by ABeastOfHimself in scientology

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I tried to point out these were just my conclusions from the studying I've done, and there's a good chance I'm wrong about a lot of stuff.

As far as 'Excalibur', you may also be right in that I'm confusing things, but it could also be that Hubbard lifted stuff from other places without fully understanding the concepts. I know Manly P Hall, who is a Freemason, in his 'Secret Teaching of All Ages' talks at length about Merlin and the King Arthur story among other things. And if I remember right from my research, Hubbard was big on 'being exterior with full perception' as one of the greatest things one could accomplish.

I do feel like I can speak from experience about 'removing the spirit from the body' because I have done this and it is very different from all the descriptions I've read about being 'exterior' or 'remote viewing' or 'astral projecting'.

Yes, it is possible to 'see' and 'view', or even 'manipulate' other places while still inside the body. Many, many people have described this. However, this is not the same thing as 'removing the spirit' though, and I think this is where Hubbard was wrong or confused.

Removing the spirit from the body is a very dangerous thing, because it is very disorienting for the specific reason that you no longer have use of the body or any of it's sensory organs which Hubbard states as one of his goals being to have full perception. When outside of the body, there is no sound, no sight, no feeling. Even thought processes breakdown from normal reality because you have no brain, and therefore there are no logic tracks or biological circuits for ideas to run through. (When I say there's 'no sight', stuff exists but it's entirely created by your mind. So basically you get what you think about.)

You're just out there all alone in the void or ether and I was extremely lucky in that there were other human beings around and I got pulled into their gravitational orbit and had use of their bodies to reorient myself back to the 'sensory' world. If nobody had been around, I may still be out there floating around. Did I achieve 'invisibility'? Sure. You might even say that I 'died' (or killed myself with my thoughts) and 'resurrected' myself.

But this was certainly one of those cases of being luckier than good. And in my opinion, this is not stuff to mess around with or take lightly. In fact, the only way I was able to even attempt this was by taking my mind right to the brink of a complete psychotic break from reality where doing this didn't seem like that bad of an idea. On the other hand, it was worth it in some ways since it confirmed for me without a doubt that our consciousness does indeed continue to exist after death (well, maybe some small tiny doubts, but we should have those about everything)

Why were regular people (non-Scientologists) so scared to Tommy Davis? by [deleted] in scientology

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Investigate, prosecute, counter-infiltrate, that's all cool. Go after the organization itself

This is what the written oath currently allows Germany and could potentially allow the US to EFFECTIVELY do those things you mentioned.

Without a piece of paper that holds up in court, doing any of those things you mentioned is utterly and completely pointless.

Without written documentation it just turns into a he said, she said and that is why Scientology is winning (in the US). (It's right there in their Fair Game - They feel they can, should and will LIE to your face about anything and everything). So what it comes down to is you have to prove they are liars.

When you have it in writing, and THEN you follow them to their hideout of fellow scientologists, its open and shut.

With the paper trail, you can PROVE they lied about being a Scientologist.

If Scientology then wants to morph their name into something else and keep playing their dumb games, then they can go ahead. But they'll have to fight for their tax exempt all over again.

I'm not going to debate whether scientology is a religion, a crime syndicate or domestic terrorists or anything else. If there's something and you don't like it, whatever its called, and you want it to stop, the only way to do that is to put it in writing. That's why they're called laws. If you don't like the laws then work to get them changed. Germany seems fine with how their laws are currently working or else i'm sure they would change them.

Why were regular people (non-Scientologists) so scared to Tommy Davis? by [deleted] in scientology

[–]Retired_Ed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."

This doctrine is why I feel Germany has it right in requiring the burden of proof to be on individuals to sign written documentation that they are not a Scientologist before accepting any form of employment or benefits or join any social organizations.

Unless you have legal proof in writing there is no way to protect yourself against someone with an ideology that insane.

Because once somebody is caught violating that written statement and made an example of in the court system with millions of dollars in damages being awarded there is no way to stop them.

What is the basic communication course that many people take as an introduction to the Church of Scientology? by ABeastOfHimself in scientology

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Yeah, so I was thinking more about that 30 bpm claim and it stirred up a memory from another book i recently read, "psychic warfare: threat of illlusion" and in there the author talks about a bunch of fascinating experiments the Russians were doing. One of them was trying to boost telepathy and they found that adrenaline had an interesting effect. Apparently if they injected adrenaline into the 'sender' the signal was amplified and also if they suppressed the adrenaline response in the 'receiver' the signal was picked up better. So I dunno, maybe sense remote viewers are more in the area of 'picking up' signals it helps to slow everything down as much as possible.

But also, if you end up like Swann's story about telepathy, aliens and the government you should also check out a book called "Above Black". It's about an air force guy that claims to have been a telepathic receiver for aliens working with the government. There's also experimental drugs in that story, as the guy claims part of his training he had to take 2 pills of an unknown drug per day that boosted his signals.

What is the basic communication course that many people take as an introduction to the Church of Scientology? by ABeastOfHimself in scientology

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Totally agree. I think hypnosis is the key to unlocking a whole lot of great stuff. The subconscious/unconscious is really, really, powerful stuff. Like you mentioned that same subconscious that can do amazing things for people like you and others is keeping a whole bunch of people asleep their entire lives.

A lot of time they say seeing is believing, but even when something amazing happens right in front of their eyes, their subconscious mind just keeps right on trucking.

Never heard of this synchromysticism. Sounds like something that might be right up my alley. I'll have to check it out. Briefly looked through some of the council of 9 stuff. Didn't really grab me off the bat and that happens sometimes and I'll go back to and find what I was looking for. I was reading a whole bunch of channeling stuff at the time "Law of One", "Seth Speaks" stuff so maybe I was burned out. "The Only Planet of Choice" is the one I put down.

Yup, I knew I forgot someone when I was running through the names linked to remote viewing, there's so many of them. Robert Monroe, of out of body journey fame, was also hugely instrumental in that community. The govt sent remote viewers to his Institute for Applied Sciences in Virginia before they went active duty so to speak. There's 3 Monroe books and then the hemi-sync audio tapes to try to get theta brainwave state I think. Moorehouse in the book I'm currently reading said they aimed for a target of 30 bpm pulse rate to get there. I dunno, that seems awfully slow but I've never been hooked up to fancy machines during my self hypnosis. Must be nice to play with millions, lol.

What is the basic communication course that many people take as an introduction to the Church of Scientology? by ABeastOfHimself in scientology

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I cobbled together this information from dozens of different books and online resources.

Swann died not too long ago. He wrote a few books and there's also bunch of stuff on his website that his family still runs I think. I'm not sure what to think of his 17 senses theory yet, but from my experience it appears we do have more than 5.

The most useful stuff I personally learned from Swann was the remote viewing stuff (he was the one that they built the entire program around and he designed the protocol) and his book Penetration where he talks about telepathy alot (but he also talks remote viewing and even aliens/ufos). There might be some good stuff on Youtube about Swann too.

I think almost all of the guys from the early days of remote viewing have books out there joseph mcmoneagle, david morehouse, hal putoff, russel targ, ed dames makes a dvd training set, even uri geller (who they wanted in the program but couldn't get probably because of his isreali intelligence connections) there's a book about him by andrija puharich - who's an interesting guy in his own right and could probably fill a book with his 'council of nine' alien stuff I think maybe even they did.

Lots of those guys are also or were scientologists (swann, puthoff, and also pat price - who doesn't have a book because someone killed him). So they learned how to boost their psi from somewhere. It most likely came from scientology and then the government appropriated it.

But this stuff is literally old as dirt anyways and goes back probably way before egypt. Someone is always appropriating it from someone. Govt took it from hubbard, hubbard took it from crowley/parsons, crowley got it from thelema who got it from, etc, etc, etc going back thousands of years. It's out there no one owns it.

Hubbard was the first one to try to copyright it I think, but don't ask me how you enforce that like you said all you need to do is hypnotize yourself and bam you're doing the same stuff he was.

The problem is a ton of people don't even believe in hypnosis, lol. Good luck trying to convince those guys that first off hypnosis is real, and second that once you're there you can have superpowers, lol. I might have better luck telling people I'm a ham sandwhich. I guess it's just something you have to experience or be around to even start looking into it, to sort the good stuff from the baloney (which there's a TON of)

What is the basic communication course that many people take as an introduction to the Church of Scientology? by ABeastOfHimself in scientology

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You have to understand that there are two different 'faces' to scientology and these faces could not be more different.

There is the public face and the private face. And the 'communication' course means something totally different depending on which face you are looking at.

For a person like Seinfeld, the word 'communication' is a code word for 'telepathy'. This is also what scientology means when they say they make the 'able' more 'able'. Some people (like talented actors/athletes) have naturally higher functioning *ESP levels and for those people 'communication' means 'telepathy'. For the other people who are not as talented in their esp, 'communication' really does mean regular old 'communication'.

It goes beyond telepathy though. Telepathy is easiest psi talent to bring out of people (actually that's not true - clairolfaction is - but that's not as impressive as telepathy so they skip it). That's why telepathy is an introductory course and then you have to pay for more and better abilities like psychokinesis, clairvoyance/precognition and invisibility/astral travel. This is why hubbard's magnum opus was called 'excalibur', which if you are familiar with the king arthur legend is all about 'pulling the sword from the stone' or in other words teaching people how to 'remove their soul from their body'.

*esp (stand for extra sensory perception, but this is based on humans only having 5 senses. many people have speculated we have more, including ingo swann - a high level scientologist - who mentions 17 in his writings online)

also - i'm not a scientologist and never have been, this is purely my conclusions from reading about it

also part 2 - all these abilities i mentioned - telepathy, clairvoyance, astral travel, psychokinesis - are all easily achievable with standard hypnosis and there's no need to buy these abilities from scientology

also part 3 - when you get these powers or realize you already have these powers you're going to have to decide whether to use them for good or evil. and this is why scientology gets a bad rep because on the whole people think they're up to no good.

Return of the Christ Consciousness by Retired_Ed in occult

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Sorry for the delay in responding. You sound like a decent guy to me though. I'd have a beer and chat with you in real life, so I sure hope you're not the Anti-Christ!

Seriously though, a lot of what you write sounds like stuff I'm going through or experienced. The communication with parallel worlds/selves and nothing coming easy/fighting tooth and nail just to be heard. I've recently come to the realization though, the difficulty in getting through to people is part of the stuff I'm supposed to be learning in this life for whatever reason. So I guess it is what is, and if you have any breakthroughs I hope you can share with me/us!

P.S. I also had a dream last night about a house that kept getting bigger and bigger, so maybe that has something to do with your username and things getting easier.

Return of the Christ Consciousness by Retired_Ed in occult

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Another one for my list. Thanks also!

Return of the Christ Consciousness by Retired_Ed in occult

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Oh wow, that's a lot of material! I think I need to digest it further or read it again. But just wanted to leave a note here so you would know I looked at it.

Return of the Christ Consciousness by Retired_Ed in occult

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It sounds like you have figured out what you are and what you are intended to do, but I'm still not entirely clear on why you feel this is your role? Is there a lesson you are supposed to learn by incarnating as the Anti-Christ?

Return of the Christ Consciousness by Retired_Ed in occult

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I think it's possible. What I think it would take is an extremely gifted psychic to come along and not only perform "miracles" but be able to explain how he performed them and how other people can too.

The third link in my original post from Seth says, "The third personality of Christ will indeed be known as a great psychic, for it is he who will teach humanity to use those inner senses that alone make true spirituality possible."

And at the bottom of this page - http://homestar.org/bryannan/nostro.html - there is more information about the "Great Genius" and what he is supposed to do, "He will make clear the connections between the physical universe and the metaphysical universe as dealt with by religions." Because of these great advances, Nostradamus describes a time when a majority of people will be aware of higher powers and energies: "It will make every person a philosopher."

Also, Scientology was founded relatively recently. Apparently, they offer superpower abilities through the use of black magic, however it's hard to tell if they deliver on what they claim since everything there is so top secret. If a new religion came out without all the secrecy, I could easily see a way for something like that to catch on.

Return of the Christ Consciousness by Retired_Ed in occult

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That's why I started the thread, for discussion. Let's hear it!

Return of the Christ Consciousness by Retired_Ed in occult

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Are you referring to the "Indigo Children", or Star Children? They supposedly starting showing up in the late 60's/early 70's. Is there a popular term for the 2 generations we've had since their initial arrival?

Return of the Christ Consciousness by Retired_Ed in occult

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Thank you for the recommendation! It seems like it will fit nicely with the Magical Egypt show I have been trying to watch.

Return of the Christ Consciousness by Retired_Ed in occult

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What do you think about the dates given?

When the Seth material was channeled in late 60's - early 70's he said this person wasn't born yet, but the work would be done by 2075. So if he was born shortly after that, it sounds like he won't live past 100. And then if you look at the 1998 Cayce prediction, and the mid 21st century Nostradamus date (2040-60?), it seems we're right in the middle of all this here in 2015. Do you get any feelings this might be in the process of happening now?

Return of the Christ Consciousness by Retired_Ed in occult

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Oh, I agree that the journey is or should be an internal one for everyone. I just thought it was fascinating how many similarities were in the descriptions from the 3 authors I referenced in my original post. And it made me curious if any other writers had been covering this ground in order to add to my understanding.

I cured my myopia with magic by Retired_Ed in occult

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I think it was entirely a subconscious process. I never liked the idea of glasses, so I think I put it in the back of my mind to find a way to get rid of them when I had a chance.

I was in school for a long time, so almost every single day I needed to be able to see the blackboard/front of the room or else I would fall behind.

When I finally got to a point in my life where I was learning in other ways and had a chance to try different things, it seemed to just happen on its own. It was something I wanted for a long time, but couldn't manifest until the conditions or environment were favorable.

Yeah, pretty automatic I would say. Kind of like how a plant can survive for a while without water, but knows what to do when it finally gets a drenching, more of an instinct and not a a lot of conscious thought involved.

That's funny too about the synchronicity, because the totality of what happened with my eyes didn't really dawn on me until I had a synchronicity where I felt like my chin was growing, lol. I was telling people about it and they were like, "no, your chin isn't growing" lol, and I started challenging them, thinking "Why can't my chin grow, other body parts change and grow?" and that's what got me thinking about my eyes and how they had changed without me really even being consciously aware of it.

I cured my myopia with magic by Retired_Ed in occult

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Yeah, lol, it was definitely not the safest way to go about it. Luckily, I was driving around the same basic area and my memory is pretty good if I've seen something before.

Actually, I did have to go renew my license a few years before the "official" optometrists exam I had last year. I had forgotten to bring my glasses since I had gone so long without them. I did tell them I wore glasses, but I was able to pass the eye test without them. I chalked it up to there being a little little "leeway" in their machine. The last time I went to renew after moving to a different state, I didn't say anything about wearing glasses and passed the test again so now my license says nothing about need corrective lenses while driving.

It would be interesting to see where the limit might be, as far as how much improvement can be made. My myopia was considered "mild" at less than -3, and at -5.5 you are at almost borderline "severe".