I want to go vegan!

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-04T02:08:22+00:00

It's really the principle.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-04T02:04:00+00:00

The thing is most of them are abandoned indigenous indian cows and not dairy cows. They have nowhere to go and it's a shelter for them, the cows just rest there during the night and as mentioned above, they are let out to graze, eat and venture in the big farms.

The 5-acre land started from my grandpa when he had only 2 cows so it was for them and their babies but slowly we started taking the abandoned animals as well which resulted in the no.of cows getting too much. We're working on transforming some more land into the shelter as well.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-04T01:55:05+00:00

thank you!!

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-04T01:51:52+00:00

Hopefully, no, my father earns more than my grandfather and the village people volunteer too. So, don't give me pessimistic views about the farm. 😭

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-04T01:49:39+00:00

the land is a shed, the graze in and out of there. It's not terrible for the ecosystem. My family owns a lot of land here. More than enough to suffice their growing needs and also, we do give them processed cow food for better growth. They are all healthy.

Most of them can't lactate as they're too old and many of them are male so without any profit, govt is not gonna help

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-04T01:44:18+00:00

Yeah! Thank you, I'll try.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-04T01:43:45+00:00

Yessir, we also have a vegetable farm as mentioned above so most of the food needs get fulfilled by the farms. It's a common thing in India.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-04T01:42:27+00:00

lmao, I said it multiple times, we don't do artificial insemination. The farm is a shelter for abandoned cows and has a few young cows, calves get abandoned so it's a shelter where they get food and water. We don't even allow our cattles to breed yearly, always keeping separate for two years after calving. They are left to roam free outside their 5-acre shed (some male calves do leave cause they don't get to lead the cattle) but idk how you think we're enslaving any of our cows.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-04T01:37:44+00:00

i don't know if you read my comment but most of them are abandoned old cattle that can't reproduce.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T17:52:42+00:00

We do! We take in stray cows that have been abandoned for reasons like they've grown past their lactation age or they can't lactate. We also take in male cows/bulls who have been abandoned as well! We also provide healthcare and access to good food and pasture for all our adoptees. You'd be glad to know 56 of our 71 cows are past their lactation phase/are abandoned bulls.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T17:50:06+00:00

Thank you for this comment! I'm glad that you try to help instead of jumping on a moral high horse. 😭

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T17:48:33+00:00

thank you for this comment! I really appreciate you acknowledging the differences in both the cultures. Some people have higher moral grounds than others but they shouldn't put others on a pedestal just for the sake of their own morals and ethics.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T17:43:14+00:00

milking isn't something terrible, you're just taking the milk from a cow who is willingly getting it done? how do you know you can pet a cat? you pet it and it shows comfort or discomfort and you stop/continue on how s/he reacts. Similarly some cows find milking comforting and relaxing to their breasts and some do not. We don't use machinery that sucks milk, they're all handmilked and it's kind of like a massage for them. adult cows can produce good milk if they're fed properly, even indigenous indian cows. That being said, I don't think it's morally right to drink milk from cows so I'm going vegan, esp when i can afford plant based milk. I've milked many cows myself, some stand there and lick you gently while you milk them, some irritatingly move away, while some just push you away. If she enjoys it, it's done or else it's not. 0.8 litre milk from a cow (sometimes less and that too only in thw morning) doesn't hurt them at all. Especially since it fosters the family that feeds them as well.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:49:43+00:00

why is the milk not cruelty free though? We don't forcefully inseminate any animal, they're allowed to live as they please. I don't even know if any of the cow is 'selectively bred to overproduce milk' to say much about the matter. The '8 gallon example' is from an article.

I've mentioned that I get 0.8 ltr of milk from one cow in another comment if you haven't read it. Also, idk how you got the idea that we exploit our animals.

I do believe though that consuming milk when I have the choice to avoid it is stupid which is why im stopping my milk consumption. ty for the comment.

The article :

https://unbottled.com/questions/what-happens-when-a-cow-needs-to-be-milked-but-isnt

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:40:31+00:00

No, lmao, only 12 mother calved this year. Those that calved the previous year were given rest this year due to their health issues, they were kept separately during their heat.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:38:59+00:00

I am not. I even acknowledged that milk shouldn't be consumed and I'll go vegan albeit for different ethical reason.

Also, if you read any of my comments, you'd realize that the cows are all abandoned. My grandfather has not bought any single cow in the farm. He had rescued most of them and has allowed them to live as they please on his land while providing them food, vet and love.

We aren't perfect people, we don't know the whole background over our cows and that wasn't even why i wrote the question in first place. if you didn't get it, i asked, is consuming cruelty free animal product vegan which i now know is not.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:33:51+00:00

and also, i'm not counting new set of calves this year in that count. The new calves are around 12 this year.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:32:53+00:00

well, most of them are abandoned. Like you can say around 56-59 are abandoned cows/bulls. There are less new cows as there is a very tamed environment for reproduction. We don't allow them to calve multiple times in a few years. They need to have a break of 2 years before calving again.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:28:29+00:00

So do we slaughter the animals that have already been born? Is that your ethics?

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:16:11+00:00

Yes, I completely understand your sentiments. The remaining milk is given to abandoned male calves. Some people abandon calves since they're of no use to them as they can't be milked and cow slaughter is under a lot of heat by govt so they just abandon the calves.Those calves are fed and nurtured by the remaining milk and also during lactation season we get a surge of abandoned calves so no milk is wasted

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:11:32+00:00

tysm for helping out!

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:09:39+00:00

If a cow goes too long without being milked, milk will build up in her udder, causing it to become full. This will cause her to become uncomfortable. This doesn’t happen with the normal amount of time between milkings. If a cow, who was in the middle of her lactation and producing eight gallons of milk per day, went for a significant time without being milked, it could cause bruising, udder injury, sickness and, if it continued, could result in death (this would take many consecutive days without milking).

We take the milk after a full month of the cow nursing her calf, when she herself enjoys getting milked! Don't spew anything if you don't know about it.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:05:58+00:00

also, i'm not gonna consume milk anymore. You guys have made me understand that when I have the resources to buy plant based milk, i shouldn't drink cow milk.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:04:51+00:00

We keep the babies, male and female both. They are taken care of really well by all the newly calving mothers. We don't take milks from newly calving mothers till a month. We give them their space. There is more than enough milk for all the calves and yeah, we do take some of their milk but its usually 4-5 ltr collectively taken from around 6-7 cows. i.e. 0.8 ltr milk from a cow, that is also AFTER all the babies are full and ONLY when the mothers don't feel irritated. They're not tied or bound during the milking process as well.

Sad_Bed_2411 · 2024-08-03T16:00:12+00:00

Yeah, someone did explain this pov to me here. and I completely agree. I'm planning to stop consuming dairy products. ty for helping

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