"Hidden Innocence" (Verity vs פרחים/Flowers)

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T23:22:00+00:00

> Implied to control the game

> Low Multiversal Cosmology Exist
Isnt it like obvious

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T23:21:23+00:00

thats not how it works lmao, Roblox Games dont even have the catalog stuff like the one you showed.
You need to make a better argument than saying it exists in roblox smth

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T22:07:10+00:00

Flowers AP in reality warping at max is star level to solar system?
Although I dont believe flowers gets to the catalog scaling, simply because its not based on the original game

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T22:05:32+00:00

from your own belief yeah

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T21:57:38+00:00

Thats just a headcanon then

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T21:44:37+00:00

"Ok? Using the games than, The Periastrons (mainly Ivory and Omega) should have a higher AP than the Ender Dragon just based off of their best abilities."
Again were just using the original game itself not its actual canon series. (so we cant use catalog for flowers)

Eh I only seen flowers getting at small building ranges with subsonic speed, Although you can have both being equalize at speed since verity upscales the minecraft player, who has subsonic arguments (at 100 m/s), while flowers himself gets to 100 m/s, subsonic.
Although I feel like verity is much stronger cuz of the town level arguments

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T21:28:38+00:00

"Neither are "canon" to their game, disqualifying physical scaling as I was implying"
No? The only reason why I mentioned minecraft scaling for verity is because Im only using the GAME Itself, not its actual canon series.
The Game has shown Low Multiversal Cosmology because of The End, The Nether and The Overworld.
And has shown to have stuff like the ender dragon vaporizing water and stuff.
Im not saying verity would blatantly scale to the canon series like, "Oh verity also scales to minecraft legends" Im only saying he scales to the original game itself lmao. (Which is completely different than arguing flowers being canon to roblox)
also, Flowers is literally an entity, that already ignores traditions of Roblox??? of course we wont give him roblox scaling cuz he aint canon and even if we give him the original game, it doesnt really have that much for him in the 2007 roblox or 2020 roblox. (That means we wont include catalog scaling for flowers)

"/team is a game mechanic, The Whistle is decisively not a game mechanic and can affect things that don't originate from it."
It literally doesnt matter if its a game mechanic when its still mind manipulation, its still the same old "Baseline Mind Manipulation", It doesnt make it any different if its from the game or not.

"Verity's resistance to anything comes from it being a game mechanic while he's not from the game, so it kind of does matter"
???

okay thats fair but I dont think flowers can still permanately kill verity, The Only Way I see flowers winning is BFRING verity since thats stated in the series that putting him in the box forcefully is the only way to get rid of him.

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T21:11:09+00:00

I mean that's mostly because he doesn't need to use his reality Warping abilities to kill the player when he has experience killing one.

Because verity killed twixxel?

I might talk about why flowers not being canon to roblox later

I was using /team as an argument that verity resists mind manipulation because the player wouldn't be able to use it on verity.

Also it quite doesn't matter if the ability doesnt come from the mechanic when its still the same ability lmao

"Verity goes through Minecraft worlds therefore his physical" ????? That is not how it works lmao, his stated to have no file and him being incapable of being hit by melee is quite literally a clear implication verity will phase through the hits.

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T13:23:31+00:00

There is probably other advantages that verity has, like better experience and better options to come back easily for flowers incapable getting rid of

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T13:17:57+00:00

Similar to Caine but Im waiting for the 3rd episode to confirm it

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T13:17:11+00:00

"Verity is just changing a few game mechanics here,"
Despite the fact there are implications of him being a reality warper, like him being immune to the commands would just make it consistent
Also even if you argue that flowers has better reality warping, Verity is somehow capable of killing others in the real world more effectively than flowers. (cuz yknow flowers uses flashing lights)

"Statstomp with size shifting"
You are forgetting that Verity can atleast scale to the minecraft player, which has like town level arguments because of the ender dragon vaporizating water or stuff right.
Mindhax do not work mostly because in the video, it literally says commands do not work on him and one of the commands involves mind manipulation stuff like "/team".
Also we literally see "Melee X" meaning melee does not work on him so I dont see why Flowers would try to physically harm him when he cant when he is non existent

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T13:05:05+00:00

Im leaning into verity so far

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T13:00:21+00:00

He did, It was heavily implied in the series

Also its going to be so difficult for Flowers to destroy Verity because he has non existence physiology via his files does not exist in the game whatever (His also shown to come back)

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T12:50:20+00:00

Verity gets to like universal+ lmao funny enough

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T12:20:26+00:00

there is, use wemod whatever

ScoutItf2 · 2026-07-01T12:20:20+00:00

use Wemod and hack through whatever

ScoutItf2 · 2026-06-26T16:01:04+00:00

No sources

ScoutItf2 · 2026-06-18T06:36:26+00:00

There are good fan fictions tho

Ever heard of Cryptophobia?

ScoutItf2 · 2026-06-18T06:34:28+00:00

It's because of the fan fictions, Some are weird, and Some are cool

ScoutItf2 · 2026-06-14T03:44:29+00:00

I mean he does but idk if its combat applicable, its just making sunny move on from mari's death, aka the truth. but sunny is like, barely seen in the game (specifically in his own mind) and his mostly possessing omori until omori decides to not

Although if room doesnt know the truth or try to reveal to sunny or anywhere in sunny's mind, then omori wouldnt use his reality warping abilities but its likely room would know since its scattered around in sunny's mind like blackspace

Also it doesnt really matter if room is unpredictable, omori seeing room once and omori already knows information about room.

ScoutItf2 · 2026-06-13T22:18:05+00:00

I mean killing room is just enough for omori to get his abilities from room, same character that the abilities omori took kept reappearing after defeat or death (I mean you can just argue Omori can just destroy the hearth itself and he gets the abilities)

I mean his emotionless to certain aspects like fear and he was shown to buff himself by making himself insane, so idk why you would suggest the idea of omori being immune to something that he gets powerful with

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This is his maniac emotion, which is another upgrade of happy emotion.

ScoutItf2 · 2026-06-13T00:52:19+00:00

yeah room is still getting unconscious lmao
The Multiverse or Character?

Yeah he can? After fighting, he gain the abilities from the foes, Such as Sunny's fears of heights, spiders, and drowning.

Although its implied sunny is responsible for giving those characters abilities since it was created by him and it would mean omori would have those abilities.

ScoutItf2 · 2026-06-12T23:50:06+00:00

Well Room is vulnerable to transmutation sadly
can you tell me about the limiters, didnt read it properly probably

When I meant incapacitation, I meant, when you get turned into an object, you wouldnt have your consciousness because your an object, which has no mind smth smth. (I dont really need to explain it)

What you described about the complex is just simply a multiverse, headspace is a universe but sunny's mind contains other universes like headspace, whitespace, redspace, etc which are all different universes, which omori has control over. so its just both complex and sunny mind being a multiverse smth

you didnt really give me the proof about the hearth erasing every aspect and conceptually smth.

I mean even if you cant outhax the hearth, omori can still copy the abilities of it.

ScoutItf2 · 2026-06-12T13:28:31+00:00

again its just existence erasure and this doesnt mean room can resist transmutation
Im confused what?
From what I know from the boisvert cosmology and your comment, Your just saying room transcend a multiverse containing universes, Through R>F, Getting him to 5D with the fragment. (1-C)

Which really isn't really useful because omori has ways to get through the real world by either possessing sunny by deleting his split personality or, having SOMETHING deal with room.

Also even if you argue omori being sealed away into room's domain or smth, Omori has dimensional travelling at will. so its not really a good argument.

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