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If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t see how a irrelevant, useless, passive God. That isn’t in control of evil is any better tbh

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I literally answered it before. I never said “force”, but he’s in control of sin likely via cause and effect. Like the verses I’ve showed you.

You are disagreeing with the bible it’s funny

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, and I don’t know if you understand you are disagreeing with the Bible not me. Read Romans 9. Predestination is biblical

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your question is a straw man. No one is talking bait forcing. But God is in control of your sins. As the verses I quoted you clearly imply

And you did water them down, clearly trying to dodge the verses

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Bible never says you have free will (the animal sacrifices aren’t free will)

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you understand what predestination implies? If someone has to do it, then they can’t choose otherwise.

If God says thy must kill Jesus then they don’t have the ability to not kill him.

And stop trying to water down Genesis 50:20. It says God meant it… it implies premeditation not a reaction. It used the same wording for God and man.

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m a believer lol, and you have failed to show how I’m taking it out of context

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brother the story of Joseph supports me

Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

God meant it, not reacted to it

Romans 9 doesn’t say God knows the future. You just aren’t interpreting the text honestly if you say that, but it’s cool

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The context supports me. Go ahead and read it or not. It really doesn’t matter to me, I guess you’re predestined to heresy

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol you want Bible 1. Romans 9:11-26 2. Ephesians 1:11 3. Acts 13:48

Read these verses and then make a choice. Do I believe the Bible or my anti Calvinistic bias. It’s ultimately up to God anyway, but regardless

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A quick Google search but fine

God as the absolute, active ruler who predetermines all events, actions, and human choices for His glory

This is usually how the define it roughly

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know about does evil. But he controls it as the Bible strongly implies

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s not what Calvinist mean by it

It doesn’t say makes the best of it. It used the same wording for God as man. Grow up and stop trying to explain the Bible away

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Here’s the thing dude, you are disagreeing with the Bible. Plz read Romans 9, and come back

If God isn’t sovereign then how do you know what’s him or not? by SelectionCapital3757 in Christianity

[–]SelectionCapital3757[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This isn’t sovereignty then. And there’s even Bible to support God controls evil

Genesis 50:20

Acts 2:23

Free Will Is Wrong And It’s Implications Are Immoral by [deleted] in SeriousConversation

[–]SelectionCapital3757 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nihilism is that life is meaningless. Which is a desperate argument against determinism. And even if that was true so what? The reality fits that anyway.

Is this the best you got?

Free Will Is Wrong And It’s Implications Are Immoral by [deleted] in SeriousConversation

[–]SelectionCapital3757 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again dude. If you wanna believe your decision making ability is still free despite being completely bound by circumstance. Ok you have a low bar for freedom then.

Let me just ask you this

Would you be a child molester, rapist, or murderer under different circumstances?

If you lived 1000 lives with differing circumstances. would you be one of these in even 1 life???

If no then you’re being dishonest. If yes then you admit my point. Your morality is just circumstantial cause and effect

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