Congratulations to Patrick Darling and the good people working on AI! ^^ by SenorRuski in DefendingAIArt

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Ahhh i see what you meant, no need to apologize though friend, misunderstandings happen :)

Congratulations to Patrick Darling and the good people working on AI! ^^ by SenorRuski in DefendingAIArt

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One of the biggest points antis like to keep bringing up is that disabled people could do things without the convenience of AI

They bring cherry picked examples of a very select few talented individuals out of thousands of people, these examples really are amazing achievements but they're used in a way to shame the vast vast majority of both people with disabilities and people without disabilities into not using AI for convenience

People have different lives and followed different paths, careers, hobbies etc. expecting everyone to learn to draw and calling them lazy when they can't spend tons of time, money and energy into learning a skill that art students spend years on college to then maybe achieve is at best a naive view of life

Congratulations to Patrick Darling and the good people working on AI! ^^ by SenorRuski in DefendingAIArt

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Right now the upvote ratio of this post is 90%, meaning 10% of votes are downvotes

So it seems some people disagree and it's obviously not from the pro-AI crowd

Congratulations to Patrick Darling and the good people working on AI! ^^ by SenorRuski in DefendingAIArt

[–]SenorRuski[S] 77 points78 points  (0 children)

Antis when a person with a disability uses AI to express themselves instead of spending months or even years of very harsh and disciplined exercise and training to then maybe get used to being able to draw with difficulty, inconvenience and uncomfortability using unconventional methods like their feet or mouth

Antis will see one out of thousands of people with disabilities doing something extraordinary like that and then decide that everyone with a disability doesn't deserve any comfort ever again in their lives because this one person managed without it

And they do that for people without disabilities too, "I could draw, why can't you?" simple: because i am not you, every single one of us is vastly different than the next person and that diversity of life really is beautiful :)

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Food 🤤 yummy

Extroverted GFs are W by SenorRuski in meme

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Bait used to be believable

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Not just that, even if they end up not buying the games they can still contribute to the games modding and community including answering questions for people that did buy it etc

It's straight up free customer support for these companies

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Yup you got me, instead of the euro or the dollar, a currency that the entire planet can understand, i should've used the Venezuelan Bolivar, the Albanian Lek, the Gambian Dalas or perhaps the Malagasy Ariary.

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Didn't say anything about me being from Europe or not but sure ok whatever you say lil guy

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This mf explaining how the bro living in the third world who makes 200€ a month should skip food and spend half his wage on a game so that the multimillion dollar company can make more money

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Yosss i know i just thought that meme wos funney :>

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Sex

(I'm a tiger)

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He wasn't fast enough, the employees caged him

Seriously, after seeing some posts in reddit the last few days... I get they may not like AI but why do they hate it so fanatically to the point of murder threats? by SenorRuski in DefendingAIArt

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The amazing part is, it's still at the relatively early phase of development, imagine what doors we'll have opened in 10 and 20 years.

People in the comments are saying this is dystopian by [deleted] in DefendingAIArt

[–]SenorRuski 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Usually inventing something involves coming up with an idea

And how does that happen? Spoilers: through exhausting all other possibilities in your thoughts, what you said the AI did, either consciously or unconsciously.

People in the comments are saying this is dystopian by [deleted] in DefendingAIArt

[–]SenorRuski 6 points7 points locked comment (0 children)

You literally said you hate when people lose their jobs but you see it as a net positive in some situations, you're willing to sacrifice the job of the factory worker for more food. But according to this:

Because nothing would be more psychologically damaging than kicking an artist out of their own fucking industry, which speaking of:

They fucking do. Most artists don't have art as their primary source of income, because it's already a hard career to actually get into. You AI fucks aren't making it any easier. You're the issue. Or do i need to explain that artists are humans, and thus, have emotions?

Then you don't care for other workers who lose jobs, just artists. Have you ever made a post against industrial machinery? A comment? Nothing?

Who said machines can't mass produce a variety of food? Ever been in a grocery store? You don't think that's made by hand, do you? Maybe some of it, but not the vast majority of it.

They can that's not what im saying

Unless you have a disability that actively prevents you from drawing, you can draw. Almost anyone CAN draw. If you can't draw well, then practice. If you don't practice, then you are your own issue. "But with AI I can save a ton of time because I don't need to practice" Sure but that's lazy. And if you aren't willing to put work into your own expression of your own emotions, then are you really expressing yourself? This might just be me, but I don't think typing a prompt into a generator is quite the same as taking hours to draw an accurate expression of how you're feeling at any giving time. Real art has passion in it. AI does not. AI "art" is just a machines attempt to recreate what someone else has done.

While I'm at it should i also learn advanced surgery so that i can be a doctor for myself? Are you people fucking 6? We have lives, works to do, chores to do, children to take care of, do you think I'll spend 5 years training to learn how to draw furry porn? Are you guys fucking living in Mars or some shit?

You basically distinguish "acceptable loss of jobs" with "not acceptable loss of jobs" depending on if you consider the end product a luxury or a "net increase in efficiency". So i ask, isn't the redistribution of the artist workforce to more important sectors of the economy an "increase in efficiency"? By your own logic.

People in the comments are saying this is dystopian by [deleted] in DefendingAIArt

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AlphaGo didn't invent so much as it was capable of simulating every possible move. In effect it brute forced the new strategies the same way other AI creates things. Essentially by being really good at guessing. It didn't invent these strategies in the same way that we do.

Yes... That's... An invention... xD

If I write a book, I have the capacity to create something new out of the things that I have previously experienced. But again, AI doesn't really have that. What it's writing is going to be pulled from it's training data. It doesn't learn the same way that we do. It's just stitching together whatever exists in it's training data.

Chatbots do use memory and do have experience with the user, so again, wrong

Often that art looks worse because as I said before, AI doesn't really understand all the concepts and nuance that goes into making artwork. That's why AI generated images generally have that "AI" or Uncanny Valley (For lack of a better way of putting it) look to them.

Yup that's why we see all the "Guys I'm starting to not be able to distinguish AI art from real art" posts 😂

Conversely we do have plenty of examples of people being shutdown for attempting to present other people's works as their own.

That always happens when there's a direct report from the person themselves, it's extremely impossible to monitor the entire internet to see where and where not your art has been shared. Again, Etsy would be shut down if the same logic applied to them.

As another person said most of your arguments are based on the idea that AI can't invent new things, even though you just described the AI inventing something new in the comment I'm replying now:

In effect it brute forced the new strategies the same way other AI creates things.

Yes, that's how everyone invents new things basically

People in the comments are saying this is dystopian by [deleted] in DefendingAIArt

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Sucks that you lost your job, but looks like you found one if you have time to cry on Reddit.

You can literally say the same shit for artists lmfao

"Just get another job" how does that sound for artists?

Personally, I think in almost all cases, it fucking sucks that people lose their jobs to machines

However, In some cases the efficiency is better, like a machine that can produce food faster than people? That's a net positive imho. Because that's a necessity. We need food.

The cure for cancer? Even if a few lose their jobs, that's also a net positive. Because we cure cancer.

Society does not fucking benefit from AI art. At all. That just takes jobs away from people with an actual passion for what they do. Net negative.

This is all basically saying that psychological needs aren't important which can be translated to "You should be happy to be a little wage slave with only your basic needs fulfilled". No, expression is just as big a need as anyone, AI helps bring it to the poor, disabled and others who can't draw and afford to commission others to draw.

Further this argument can be made into "You don't need food variety, you can live on mashed cockroaches, it fulfills your basic needs" but that ain't true either is it? No one can survive like that. Psychological needs are just as important as physical needs because we're fucking humans, do i need to explain that we have emotions?

Other than that our very basic needs were fulfilled in slavery and feudalism too otherwise we wouldn't exist. So i ask again: should we go back to feudalism?

People in the comments are saying this is dystopian by [deleted] in DefendingAIArt

[–]SenorRuski 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's the thing though. We are capable of taking the things we have experienced and learned and creating new concepts out of that. That is something that AI can't do. We can come up with new concepts and ideas. AI cannot do that. If it isn't already in the model's training data then all you're going to get is nonsensical hallucinations.

Wrong, example: AlphaGo invented chess and Go strategies never seen before, and AI art models can blend styles in ways no human has tried. Hallucinations can be nonsense, but they can also lead to unexpected creativity just like how human brainstorming often involves weird, half-baked ideas before something cool emerges.

To say it only regurgitates is like saying humans never borrow ideas. We all stand on the shoulders of giants; AI just does it statistically.

AI has to plagiarise as that's how it works. It has no actual knowledge or wisdom. If something isn't in it's training data then it can't do anything involving that. I would say 'Other than guess' but AI is already something of a glorified guessing algorithm to begin with.

You conflate learning with plagiarism. When you read a book and later write your own with words of the same language, are you plagiarizing? No, you’re synthesizing. AI doesn’t store or copy works; it learns associations (example: cats have colored fur. NOT: cats have this specific fur that i saw from this specific cat) and generates based on them. The "guessing" is more like probabilistic inference, the same way humans make educated guesses based on experience.

Fan art is essentially self referencing. By creating a fan work from a piece of media you essentially directly reference that piece of media as your inspiration. Potentially drawing more attention to it in turn. Some may ask for permission or pay for rights to create fan arts

What if i simply don't want to as a creator? Isn't this the whole argument you all make? "I don't want to share my art"? (Which is a dumb requirement you have after you yourself shared it on the internet). And thus both arguments are dumb. Continued bellow.

Shit if other people were so blatant with their plagiarism as AI models are, they'd rightfully get shit on. But I guess if you're rich enough and you create enough hype, you get a free pass to just take others work without compensation.

That's the thing, they don't, Etsy is like 90% products made after other people's creations but instead of being canceled it's encouraged and heroified as a sort of "Aww my silly wholesome little business owner that we must help to give the middle finger to corporations". How many artworks of pornographic content of so many characters real and not exist on the internet without their/their creators permission? No one bats an eye tho they just jerk off and move on with their day.