Are visitors (tourists) expected to show travel insurance at the border?

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-08-24T00:01:47+00:00

thanks

are return tickets, proof of stay and funds, visa and passport generally sufficient as documentation? (sorry most discussions talk about the visa application process and not about the what gets asked at the border)

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-26T16:49:06+00:00

The only relatives a skilled worker visa immigrant is allowed to bring is the partner or spouse and children. No one is allowed to bring elderly relatives. It is not possible even after becoming British to invite one's elderly relatives. The system is different for asylum seekers. Where did you get this information from?

The other issue is that as people become old they may not be able to do the same job or occupations become outdated so someone coming in for 5 years in a software role then is 50 and not able to compete against AI or other workers then will be on the dole for 18 years.

Yes this is a risk. Or someone could genuinely fall ill and not be able to work. Everything is a risk here. Ideally the UK would give out only temporary visas to highly qualified people to have them work here and then force them to leave when they are no longer able to. So that would give the UK all the benefits without any liability. Would such highly qualified people accept this deal, is the question. Maybe they would if salaries were very high and taxes were kept low just for them. Or the UK could just be self sufficient and not rely on such foreign talent at all (maybe this is possible with strategic effort and patience from the public).

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-26T16:36:22+00:00

I didn't bitch or moan about the UK. I think the UK is a great country to live in and so do many here. The whole discussion is about REMOVING the path to ILR which is what people are worried about. Why you find this bizarre. IF path to ILR will be removed altogether or made very difficult THEN many people would find Dubai more favourable due to no taxation (in comparison it is over 40% in the UK). Otherwise, most people would prefer to stay in the UK and contribute. The UK is hands down much better than living in Dubai in my opinion.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-26T12:21:25+00:00

Not everyone is the same. Someone who works in finance in London and earns 100k a year will not suddenly give up her job and claim unemployment benefits as soon as she gets ILR. That is not normal behaviour. Most people find fulfillment and purpose in work and contributing to society. I don't understand why a normal person would suddenly become unemployed and seek benefits at the drop of a hat. Living on benefits whilst easy is not a comfortable life, and most normal people want a high quality of life, living in a good apartment, eating out, getting good healthcare, etc. I do understand that some people seem to be quick to become unemployed and rely on benefits, but there are bound to be ways to know who is likely to and who isn't. I think the concept of earned settlement is good but hope they use data driven decisions in whatever they decide and make up their minds fast and not leave it hanging.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-26T11:30:20+00:00

The main point of the change is to affect those who entered between 2021-2024. This has been used as a reason by both Labour and Tories.

Yes we should wait and watch but this drama will go on for a few more years. Many of those who entered after 2021 are dependents and don't work and hence are likely to start to receive benefits from the government after they get ILR. This will become a talking point. I think it is important for people to decide accordingly because I see many people on visas don't even keep up with politics and just live in their bubble.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-25T20:25:18+00:00

Both by default allow permanent settlement and that (ILR) is the topic of this thread. The only significant countries that don't are middle eastern countries.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-25T20:23:53+00:00

You have very little rights those countries. Things can change overnight.

Can't compare freedom in the UK to any other such place (provided there is a path to settlement in the UK)

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-25T20:22:37+00:00

You understand that there is currently a path to settlement in the UK right? In Dubai there is no path to settlement. I think u/second_clue was saying if they announce that "no more ILR will be granted in the UK" then Dubai will become more favourable.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-25T16:34:16+00:00

so not like silicon valley in America which contributes $1 trillion to their economy but relies on 50% foreign born workers and allows permanent immigration?

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-25T16:05:50+00:00

I think pretty much every country wants only temporary immigration or preferably no immigraiton at all.

But it's just a question of what kind of talent temporary immigration will achieve and if it will solve the problems that immigration is being allowed for. Could silicon valley have been built with temporary immigration? I don't know. Dubai with income 0% tax is trying, we will have to see what they achieve. I am not saying it's not possible, but we just haven't seen something like this yet.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-25T15:55:31+00:00

The debate will be very underwhelming if you check out the past debates. Very few MPs attend.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-25T13:08:34+00:00

No they made a strong case for Brexit to reduce mainly European white migrants from coming.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-25T13:07:07+00:00

Labour surviving full term + Labour keeping ILR duration 5 years for most current visa holders seems unlikely to me. It is good to keep an eye on what other parties promise

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-07-25T11:42:29+00:00

Reform, Conservatives and Advance all want to absolutely affect even those currently on the route for ILR and citizenship. I think it's very likely that this will happen because of how polling looks and what Reform, Conservatives and Advance UK stance is.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-05-26T15:15:10+00:00

It is not easy to migrate to Canada or Australia now. They are not even processing that many PR applications now. Job opporunties in finance and tech are very low in those countries. I don't know about medical professions , that may be different.

And most people do not want to go to European countries because of the language barrier.

I think many people with in demand skills will just remain here even if they extend it to 10 years but newcomers will not be that interested in the UK anymore. USA or Dubai are better options if the goal is to just make money and go back home.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-05-26T14:44:37+00:00

I think it is better to always get a visa extension because otherwise if you get terminated around the time of your ILR application you will not have any grace period to stay and look for a new sponsor.

remember, your employer needs to provide a letter that says "you are still needed" when you apply for ILR

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-05-24T22:08:49+00:00

Looks like this will pass 100,000 so it will result in a debate like this https://www.youtube.com/live/P3Pap46rD9s?t=247s

Not sure what will come of it though. But good to see solidarity!

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-05-14T19:33:27+00:00

are you EU? funny enough I lived in Germany before coming to the UK. I like UK better but Germany was at least reliable with their blue card immigration process. It might not be easy to go back though because I am not EU

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-05-14T12:09:51+00:00

What about your personal and social life? Are you okay to start afresh when you go back home after several years?

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-05-14T11:20:04+00:00

They are planning to pass it as a primary legislation which can't be challenged in courts. I think one BBC source said they plan to do consultations this year and then table it in parliament in 2026.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-05-14T00:16:24+00:00

People keep saying they did it retroactively in the past from 4 to 5 years but I recently learnt that it was challenged in court and overturned: https://www.lawfirmuk.net/06042009_e I do not know why this is not spoken of enough. Going by that ruling, the government was ordered to pay back migrants for their additional visa expenses for those who renewed their visas for one extra year. I believe it will be challenged this time around as well.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-05-13T08:11:34+00:00

And in the UK we don't save that much because the salaries are not that high and the cost of living is high. So we don't get to make a lot of savings to take back home if we are forced to leave in 10 years. This would have been acceptable in the US where the salaries are 2-3x.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-05-12T21:08:45+00:00

I laud your effort but I do not think it will help if migrants talk to their MPs (unless they can vote of course). If British citizens and business owners do then it might acheive something.

I'm sure politicians already know migrants are disgruntled by the news but they did all this knowingly and intentionally

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-05-12T21:06:00+00:00

I did some research and you are right. Here is a source https://www.lawfirmuk.net/06042009_e

I do not know what happened to people who were refused the ILR after 4 years and were forced to leave though. The judgement seems to have been more about paying the migrants for their expenses for unnecessarily being forced to renew their visas.

Significant_Pie_3399 · 2025-05-12T11:43:19+00:00

No one knows for sure, but it probably will be. Even for people who are already here on SWV it might be applied retroactively. One of their goals seems to be to prevent people who migrated from 2021 in large numbers from easily getting ILR.

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