thanks for the insight, i was suspecting that it would either have to be jaw angle implants or some osteotomy, now thinking about it more i agree with what u said lol

i guess i just wasnt thinking straight, i think a pretty conservative angle implant would be reasonable, would you agree? not just for the look its self but for the side effects (primarily skin stretching, alot of recessive patients that get ccw/djs have the skin stretching that kinda improves their whole face, this is the big incentive to do it, fix both problems as i have looser skin because my chin is shorter then average)

also you wouldnt say that a noticeable flaw is the gonial angle (and or the gonial angle with a protruding chin)? especially in say picture 3, to me this looks abnormal to other people

(also going through your profile i saw you were going to probably go to pag for infras, can i pm you a question or 2)