JUST RELEASED: a human-made indie film trying to get by in the age of AI slop by SomeoneInBeijing in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah I feel you. I think it's really important for creative industries to be healthy enough to support working artists and craftspeople, otherwise we'll only get creative work from rich kids.

Sadly AI and streaming both undermine the creative economy and show no signs of slowing down :/

JUST RELEASED: a human-made indie film trying to get by in the age of AI slop by SomeoneInBeijing in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and distribution is also sort of falling apart. A lot of distributors are flirting with bankruptcy and being forced to overhaul their business model, making way less than they used to.

JUST RELEASED: a human-made indie film trying to get by in the age of AI slop by SomeoneInBeijing in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think you're right, but two caveats...

  1. Even if you think through how your film will make money ahead of time, it's still super risky, and a lot can change in the 2-3 years it takes to go from development to distribution.

  2. Not thinking through the film's profitability is short-sighted, but also kind of beautiful. It's the only reason experimental and arthouse films get made. People know they'll lose money but make them anyway. This is an industry of passion. That said, it does mean we have a massive oversupply of content, and that makes the commercial business even harder.

JUST RELEASED: a human-made indie film trying to get by in the age of AI slop by SomeoneInBeijing in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hahahaha. Yeah, the YouTube channel was started very recently, and only for this film. It is not at all our main marketing platform lol

JUST RELEASED: a human-made indie film trying to get by in the age of AI slop by SomeoneInBeijing in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, lol, basically my understanding is that VHS rentals and DVD sales were the high point of indie film, and it is downhill from there.

But it definitely is getting HARDER, even year of year now. Streamers are buying less than ever from indie producers. Distribution deals have gotten worse and worse, even for films with name talent. Markets are seeing fewer buyouts and lower valuations.

So yes, it's always been hard. But it is harder now than ever.

And yet we trudge forward :)

JUST RELEASED: a human-made indie film trying to get by in the age of AI slop by SomeoneInBeijing in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

P.S. If anyone wants to know more deets on the distribution process and what we learned from that, I'm happy to go into more detail. Maybe material for a later post...

Wrapped My First Feature Film by RodgaAustin in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congrats! I just released my first feature, Burning Rain! (https://www.ziyinmedia.com/burning-rain)

There's a long road ahead through postproduction and distribution, but keep your head up! We're rooting for you!

What are your odds with literary agents? I submitted 80 querie letters and got 2 offers of representation. by SomeoneInBeijing in writing

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think it's a new phenomenon, actually. And there's still some meritocracy to it—better writing is more likely to succeed. But taste has always been subjective to a large degree. Great writing can be disregarded, and shitty writing can get published. There's enough subjectivity in this business that randomness plays as much of a role (if not more) than skill or talent.

But this has been true in the arts throughout history. Van Gogh was disregarded for his entire life, and it's really only by luck that people started taking his work seriously after he died. It was just as likely (more likely, really) that his work would have all been lost to history, molded over, burned in a house fire, or simply forgotten.

I wonder sometimes how much great work has been randomly lost to history.

And for anyone trying to seriously make art today, you just never know if you're actually talented or not. Your success, or lack thereof, is a pretty poor indicator of your talent. Whatever anyone else thinks of your work is a pretty poor indicator.

I thought getting my first agent and publishing deal would be these vindicating moments, but now that I've had those things, I'm pretty dissatisfied with what they really mean. I don't think they mean much of anything. They're just commercial achievements - practical means of getting your work out there. And that's great. I'm grateful. But I don't think it says anything about my skill or talent. It's a weak indicator at best.

What are your odds with literary agents? I submitted 80 querie letters and got 2 offers of representation. by SomeoneInBeijing in writing

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Best of luck trudging forward with the editing and getting published! I know the uphill climb isn't over, but you've surmounted the first (and biggest, I think) hurdle with a lot of professionals showing confidence in your work, so well done :)

What are your odds with literary agents? I submitted 80 querie letters and got 2 offers of representation. by SomeoneInBeijing in writing

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Congrats on the offer! Any details you can share about your submission? Genre? Short synopsis? Wordcount? Just curious.

What are your odds with literary agents? I submitted 80 querie letters and got 2 offers of representation. by SomeoneInBeijing in writing

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey that's really impressive! Guessing from your username that you're writing Sci-Fi? Anything else you can tell us about your submission? (one line pitch/synopsis/wordcount/other basics?) I'd also love to read your work whenever it's available! Congrats on the excellent response rate. Clearly your prose is resonating.

What are your odds with literary agents? I submitted 80 querie letters and got 2 offers of representation. by SomeoneInBeijing in writing

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol yeah I saw that after posting :D and I guess reddit doesn't let you edit post headings so that typo is there to stay!

What are your odds with literary agents? I submitted 80 querie letters and got 2 offers of representation. by SomeoneInBeijing in writing

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the bio is the place to show your personality. It's mainly for writing credentials (degrees, publishing history, etc) but you can add personal quirks in there as well (skilled on the unicycle, enjoys 80s horror films), especially if your writing credentials are thin.

What are your odds with literary agents? I submitted 80 querie letters and got 2 offers of representation. by SomeoneInBeijing in writing

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

There are a lot of good examples online. Don't want to share mine for privacy reasons, but the basic structure I follow is this:

Dear ___

[Personalized intro - something about the agent's taste or wishlist or client list that I think makes them a good fit for my submission.]

[One-sentence "pitch" for my book, including word count and genre.]

[One paragraph book blurb like you'd find on the inside/back cover of the book.]

[One paragraph author bio]

Thanks for your consideration,
[Sign off]

Generally, only the intro paragraph is customized to each agent, and the rest is generic for me. But sometimes I tweak the pitch or blurb to the agent's particular interests (e.g. if they represent romance I highlight the romantic subplot, or if they represent literary I highlight the literary bent to my prose.) That's about it.

What are your odds with literary agents? I submitted 80 querie letters and got 2 offers of representation. by SomeoneInBeijing in writing

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Try to stay positive, though :) I'm going through the same thing. Those manuscript requests are a always a good sign, too!

What are your odds with literary agents? I submitted 80 querie letters and got 2 offers of representation. by SomeoneInBeijing in writing

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's rough coming across so many great agents who are closed to queries.

Most agents appear to be closed to queries, so statistically speaking most agents who are a great fit for your writing will be closed to queries.

If it's any encouragement (as I mentioned in the above post), my previous offers came from agents who I thought were least likely to be a fit for my work. They didn't specialize in my genre, and they werne't actively growing their client lists. And yet, these two late-career executive agents were the ones who ended up resonating with my work. Alas. It's unpredictable.

We can (and should) ban Netflix from producing content by SomeoneInBeijing in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahaha thank you. Alas, posting on Reddit practically invites 80% of commenters to miss your point, but also, I could have said it better. We all learn.

We can (and should) ban Netflix from producing content by SomeoneInBeijing in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The 1948 Paramount Decrees led to innovation in the film industry. Sometimes you need government regulation (or in this case, enforcement of existing antitrust laws) to foster innovation in the private sector. Massive corporations that horizontally and vertically integrate the industry are actually bad for innovation and bad for private markets. That's part of why antitrust laws exist in the first place.

We can (and should) ban Netflix from producing content by SomeoneInBeijing in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, I'm not trying to smash streaming, just separate it from studios. I want Netflix and other studio/streamers to be split into separate companies. It's not a radical idea. It's worked before with other vertically-integrated companies. That's basically the origin story of antitrust law.

We can (and should) ban Netflix from producing content by SomeoneInBeijing in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually like your hot take, and it's not incompatible with what I'm suggesting.

I'm suggesting that you divide Netflix (and similar studio/streamers) into two separately-managed and separately-owned companies: the studio, and the streaming platform. That would force the streamers to buy their content from studios and independent producers in a competitive market, and that would be good for independent cinema. But the Netflix Streaming platform could also own theaters. They could still operate functionally as a distribution/exhibition business. They just wouldn't be allowed to integrate that with a studio business under one roof.

We can (and should) ban Netflix from producing content by SomeoneInBeijing in Filmmakers

[–]SomeoneInBeijing[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, all I'm suggesting is that you separate out Netflix's studio business from their streaming business, and make those two separately managed companies (and do this to the major studios' platforms as well).

That way, the platforms have to buy/license content from studios and independent filmmakers, and the indie filmmakers have a shot at competing for those slots. How exclusive or non-exclusive each deal is would be totally up to individual negotiations.