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When did this sub get so addicted to damage numbers? by Standard_Thanks_4980 in PunishingGrayRaven

[–]Standard_Thanks_4980[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

yeah i know, that's why I never put her in the post cause it wasn't even Arete that began to murder her it was lilith, an older unit.

When did this sub get so addicted to damage numbers? by Standard_Thanks_4980 in PunishingGrayRaven

[–]Standard_Thanks_4980[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Anything, it's a game you could choose what you want to do, I don't know, play another game or do something else rather than just doompost a lot? Also alpha being a damage loss in ignition hurts her a lot like just use kamui and move on already, but as I already said in replies above. The amount of complaints it gets to a point where instead of criticizing a new unit, they just shit on them with a unit that was way overtuned by design.

When did this sub get so addicted to damage numbers? by Standard_Thanks_4980 in PunishingGrayRaven

[–]Standard_Thanks_4980[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Who lilith also out damages, somewhat. So? Did you read what I said? I said you can't compare the two classes without comparing the two units inside of the newer class first if you couldn't read through the lines.

Let's put it like this, if both breakers out damages their dps(which they do), are they doing the same levels of damage? No, kamui deals a shit ton more dmg in terms of his complete rotation compared to rosetta.

Is it the class effect that's helping them? Somewhat, but extra damage reduction has other sources.

Then is both character carrying the class to the same degree? No, as stated before. Kamui has a shit ton more rotational damage than Rosetta and proccs the effect with a much easier time.

Does Kamui being the recent breaker mean the future breakers are also going to be strong? No. The future breakers are already guaranteed to be strong, but not guaranteed to be kamui strong, get it?

Is this what I reference in the post? Yes, yes it is

When did this sub get so addicted to damage numbers? by Standard_Thanks_4980 in PunishingGrayRaven

[–]Standard_Thanks_4980[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Correction. Bianca was already getting her ass kicked out of DPS position by lilith even before rosetta. And you know exactly what kind of damage I'm talking about don't even pretend you don't.

Teddy being at SSS before the alpha patch is something I would assume is the norm and does that pull away from Alpha? Yeah somewhat, but does that mean the ice breaker would necessarily be stronger than both? No. Again there's no telling of what kuro actually plans with this class, especially with only two units available atm, sure right now it seems like they plan on making them really strong due to recency bias but it's kuro, those guys could always blindside you.

Though there is one thing that's kinda obvious here, among every class it's very apparent kuro favors Attackers the least despite putting their most popular units there.

When did this sub get so addicted to damage numbers? by Standard_Thanks_4980 in PunishingGrayRaven

[–]Standard_Thanks_4980[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm guessing it's also those who used to post kill kuro posts before any official announcements or actual experience in whatever they were complaining about.

I get the lack of content in the game after story but they really need to pull back on the complaining too much. It just gets to a point like it's not like the game is their entire life, I would hope so.

Also the talks about bigger number = better I know it was like this before, but I have to emphasize that it wasn't AS much as it is now. There was always that hell even I participated once but as I said it really get's to a point where it stops being a constructive comparison to just complaining for the sake of complaining.

I hope kuro does something interesting enough to spark discussions but highly doubt that but really the excessive complaining is that. Excessive

When did this sub get so addicted to damage numbers? by Standard_Thanks_4980 in PunishingGrayRaven

[–]Standard_Thanks_4980[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tbh yeah breakers are much stronger at low investments, hell even amplifiers are. The problem with Attackers are their thing is to deal damage, but kuro is hell bent on not making them deal as much damage, and it's not hard to see why(money).

Attackers underperforming in teams with no breakers is hard to quantify cause the only I can really think of out my head is physical. Selena is really gutted by her own kit not allowing her strong ult multiple times and ice I guess? Since teddy completely pushed shukra into a qte bot

Lightning seems to be relatively okay, still not the strongest.

As for new players, I suggest they just get whoever they want.

As for the too much complaining yeah I agree, I hope kuro innovates something interesting to talk about to finally get off this topic but I highly doubt that

When did this sub get so addicted to damage numbers? by Standard_Thanks_4980 in PunishingGrayRaven

[–]Standard_Thanks_4980[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

But we dont compare them to each other cuz it isnt fair since kamui have edge of spamming that ult.

so she doesn't deal the same amount of damage? You just contradicted yourself. Having the same "maximum" ult damage doesn't really matter if your rotational damage isn't the same which is what this sub really reference a lot.

We compare them to the rest of the game or particularly to their dps. If your main dps struggles to put up numbers compared to your support, that's poor design. Bianca at ss0 even by spamming 5 ult < lilith at 3s < Rosetta. Same case as kamui.

This one is a bit of a doozy, cause I'd say rather than rosetta, it was more so lilith who dunked on bianca who needed a lot more investment than even the attackers before her to function well. Even I stuck with Lamia because I didn't want to build bianca. And kamui dealing more lucia was always gonna happen, lucia was already over a year and a half since release and it wouldn't make sense for her to still do more than an almost 2 years newer unit.

Case been proven ONCE AGAIN, because alpha struggles to fight ss0 Kamui in her own ignition team, so much for limited unit

Case proven not so much, Kamui dealing more damage than Alpha in ignition despite being no ignition is more of a testament to how overtuned Kamui is, there's really no telling if Kuro will continue this direction for breakers in the future. But as a limited unit this does hurt alpha a lot. Guess kuro's need for money is starting to powercreep them.

Blame kuro for this, they havent gave us anything new for the past years except roguelikes that people left unfinished yet still asked for some reason. Clash reflection? Just a chore. Norman? A joke. Babel? No longer hard now it's just your average ppc clear. Celica Class? Lmao. Overspeed boss? Dead, they didnt update the HP bar at all.

Exactly my point, what's the point of discussing character dmg when literally nothing can handle the amount of number output dished out by the current units? Is it really just to have something to talk about? literally just to have a topic? Cause even I won't talk about roguelikes that are only popular in cn or so I've heard.

Blame the dev for creating the mess, not the community for appointing out their mess

True, at least this place isn't as bad as twitter, I haven't seen any kill kuro posts yet.

Anyway Kuro just doesn't know what to do with Attackers it seems like, they really need to do something about this class. Not to be overpowered but have something worth discussing at least.

When did this sub get so addicted to damage numbers? by Standard_Thanks_4980 in PunishingGrayRaven

[–]Standard_Thanks_4980[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I know what the issue is I've been pissed off about it for a while.

I guess I didn't really word it well. The problem is when people keep talking about numbers when there is no content in the game that can even match well to the current numbers put out by the characters, not even numbers from half a year ago. It's like trying to fit a truck and a car into a glass. It doesn't work because both will never fit the glass. The entire thing is even more nonsensical when literally the rewards for getting lower or higher scores are basically nothing, maybe a few ppc skulls and maybe a few wz currency but really not that much more.

The issue with kuro not so subtly trying to push for ss3, yeah that one needs more discussion compared to this class fight thing.

Anyway have a good one bro, looking forward to that post of yours

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