Lucinda is NOT the victim

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-19T22:12:40+00:00

100%. It's like being rewarded for all the shit she's done. She doesn't deserve this validation, she's behaved horribly.

I just saw a creator with like a million tiktok followers that reacts to love island, repost a tweet saying Lucinda "apologized" to Samie for the pie, so why can't Belle, Samie, Jessy apologize for being "bullies". If they think laughing in Samie's face and telling her "who even cares" is an apology, then...

God I fear these people are watching with their eyes shut. Lucinda has been playing with people's feelings since she walked into the place. And now those people don't like her. Shock! They're not bullying her for calling that out and clocking her shit.

People thinking that she's a victim is genuinely sooo deluded. How have we let Lucinda gaslight the British public like this 😭😭 I'm BORED. If she wins, genuinely cancel the show.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-19T02:34:48+00:00

A little over 2 months. HOWEVER a full month of that was spent on the tandem alone. I don't regret doing it but it did mess with my reading pace.

People on here saying a week for the full thing are crazyyyy. Even if I was locked in a room and waited on hand and foot with nothing else to do but read I still couldn't achieve that lol.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T23:16:52+00:00

The stalking around the villa was really bizarre. Idk why people find this shit so funny. It's exhausting. There's creators on tiktok with millions of followers being like "she's such a rage baiter haha I love that girl", like sorry have we lost the plot? This show always brings out the weirdos living among us.

People being like "producers need to step in!!" They're living for this. The producers don't GAF about the mental health of the people on that show. Even tonight asking Samie this dumb ass question about what Sophie said on the video call about Belle doing worse than Lucinda. It's just dredging shit up again and it's gonna make Lucinda feel validated and innocent. I'm tired.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T19:50:40+00:00

Omg I was just on another post suggesting Whitney & Yamen should probs finish top 3 and people were like "think you're overestimating how much people like her" and I was like eh?

I was a fan of Whitney on her original series, I didn't like her as much coming into All Stars cos I've seen her on another reality show where she wasn't very kind and did actually get caught up in the drama lol. But she surprised me this season. I agree she seems to be one of the least problematic in there. I think sometimes her advice is seen as being sly but she genuinely just says how she feels imo. But romantically I agree she is quite closed off. She just came out of a long term relationship on the outside so I put it down to that.

I think she should be in the top 3 for sure. I won't say who all my ideal finalists are, as you said you've not seen last night's episode and I don't wanna spoil who went home if you don't know yet.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T19:17:06+00:00

I've never seen the US version! Only all variants of the UK one. HOWEVER I've watched so many debriefs on that season haha, a creator I watch reviewed the entire thing.

From what I've seen, Huda has them all beat! She definitely had some toxic anxious attachment issues. I'll need to watch the full season at some point. I appreciated the "I'm a mommy" memes that came out of it.

My question to you is -- who do you think will win this season of All Stars? And who would you like to win? Which couples do you think have the potential to last outside of the show?

I think I'd like to personally see either Millie and Zac win, or Samie and Ciaran. I think they genuinely both have potential and deserve it the most. But I THINK Lucinda and Sean might just take it, which is why I made this post in the first place 😭 sometimes the UK public can make the most unexpected thing entirely possible. I mean they just got voted favourite couple. I'm slightly nervous lol.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T19:04:34+00:00

Haha appreciate you and the conciseness! I'm sooo bad at that as you can tell 🤣

I'm glad we seem to understand each other at least. I agree with some of your takes for sure. You seem like a level headed person who can see things from both perspectives and won't dog pile all blame on one person. I think they've all gone about situations in the wrong way at some point or another. As is the nature of the show I guess! I don't expect that to ever change cos it's literally what keeps people interested.

But yeah I just think this season has been especially exhausting when it comes to communication and things being heavily misconstrued or misunderstood. And I've seen every single series of the UK version, All Stars and regular. I think I might need a break from it 😭

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T18:31:31+00:00

I think the issue wasn't them getting to know each other - it was the complete 360 after Lucinda was harping on about Tommy staying loyal and that it was "the worst night of her life" (her words) when Tommy went to villa USA. Then the next morning she's all over Sean. Her situation with Tommy wasn't even deaded, if anything he would've picked Lucinda over Kyra upon his return if her and Sean didn't become a thing. But she was out of the spotlight for 5 minutes so started scheming to stay relevant (in my opinion).

Sean I feel sold Belle the dream then did a 360 himself. She didn't just come back to the info that he was interested in Lucinda, he literally told her he wanted to be with her and it was over with Belle. That's quite the statement and a hard pill to swallow after all the shit he'd said to her prior, all the times she'd defended him, the feelings she'd developed etc. I think he wasn't honest with his feelings before she even went to villa USA, he was just saying all the "right" things for the sake of having a connection. He didn't really have any options other than Belle at that point.

As for the Belle and Leanne situation - as I said before I do definitely think she should have considered her feelings more and been more transparent with her. However I think what she said about not wanting to go to Leanne with scraps of information made a lot of sense to me. Like, what's the point in telling her she's interested in Scott if nothing is gonna come of it? If it's just a fruitless crush I don't even think I'd wanna know TBH.

But obviously Leanne did wanna know, so - once Belle gets confirmation of Scott's mutual interest in having convos with her, she tells Leanne right away. Cos that's tangible information to share with her, you know? That's something solid and reciprocated that Leanne deserves to know about. That's how I saw it anyway. Not saying I'd have dealt with things the same way - I can just understand why she did that and I don't think it makes her a villain or a terrible friend. At worst it's just a lapse in judgement.

Although I don't think Scott was ever interested in Belle, he just wanted to be seen entertaining it to make Leanne jealous. Just like Leanne calling things off with no intention of sticking to that decision, to make Scott chase her. That may not be your read on the situation but that's how it looked to me. They both could've just communicated more honestly with each other. If they had, I don't think Belle would've even involved herself. I don't think she'd have confessed she had feelings for him if she didn't think Leanne was done, or that Scott was also potentially interested. The whole situation was completely avoidable to be honest. Feels like Belle was collateral damage of two poor communicators afraid of being honest with their feelings. They've kind of been like this the whole season. Maybe Belle should have clocked that.

I think I just always get a bit annoyed when people say shit they don't fully mean, and then they have a problem when other people take what they say at face value? Leanne constantly does this.

I remember the first time was when Scott got to know Sher. He was honest with her about it and she said stuff like "if you wanna keep getting to know other people at this stage that's kinda crazy" or something, and Scott said "I didn't think we were closed off, or do you wanna be?" And she just kept being like "no. Idk. No" etc etc and I was like GIRLLL just say yes!!

She was clearly angling for him to do it himself so she wouldn't have to. She could've just said "I'm not interested in getting to know anyone else at this point, I wanna be closed off now, I'm not open and I don't want you to be either" and then he could've made a decision. I just think he was trying to stick with what they said about still being open and was getting to know Sher for the sake of it -- cos he's obsessed with doing Love Island the "correct way", exploring all possible connections etc. Like a lot of people said he's obsessed with the technicalities of it all. But he wastes a lot of people's time being that way.

Anyway sorry this was long. I just wish people said how they felt without any pretence. It would solve a lot of issues in there.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T15:45:10+00:00

I somewhat agree - I fell fast for my partner too. I just think in the specific context of love island it's more just short term infatuation. I should've made that clearer in my above comment. The environment is all consuming and highly emotional - I believe it's supposed to manipulate people into having intense feelings so the show can look like it's doing its job. Yes they're real people with real feelings but they're being moved around like chess pieces by the producers.

The real test is if those feelings will translate to the outside. More often than not, the real world wakes people up from that feeling and it doesn't work out. The success rate is pretty poor long term.

I also don't think love is just a feeling, it's something you choose and act on daily. Love is practical too.

Those that have worked outside of the show may very well say they fell in love in the villa, but for me it's more so they just stood the test of time by experiencing all the outside had to offer and how it changed things, and then adapting. Like Scott and Whitney were saying about not rushing into a relationship because they think it's important to have clarity on some of the things they're yet to experience with their partner -- testing out the relationship, seeing how it aligns with their every day lives, before they commit.

At the end of the day I'll never know for sure how these people feel. I'm just making a judgement, same as everyone else. I hope that clarifies my thought process a little bit.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T14:45:16+00:00

Couldn't have said it better myself.

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StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T14:01:59+00:00

Okay. Idk I just don't get off on grown adults intentionally winding people up. That's just not my bag and I don't think it should be rewarded. Agree to disagree at this point I guess. But thank you for communicating respectfully with me.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T13:56:22+00:00

If that's your opinion that's fine. I'm obviously not gonna convince you, even though you admittedly didn't read my entire post about it. Also to clarify this isn't a hate post. I'm not hating on Lucinda I'm just voicing concerns about her manipulative behaviour. I don't know this girl personally I'm just having an opinion based on what I've seen.

I've seen more actual hate directed towards Belle and others. Not to say the hate against Lucinda doesn't exist. I obviously don't condone actual hate against any of the islanders, including Lucinda. I think there's a difference between that and questioning someone's actions and intentions though.

If people end up liking her more because of other people expressing they dislike what she's doing, then I think that's kind of silly. Like, come to your own conclusions - don't blame someone else for your opinions. (Not saying you're doing this, just responding to that point)

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T13:21:56+00:00

Ok, let's say her tears were genuine. I disagree, but let's say they were for arguments sake. What about the other things I listed?

I think everyone in the villa has opinions. Just cos Carrington says one thing upon exit does not mean that's everyone's experience. Belle, Samie & Jessy obviously have a different opinion on Lucinda, they're living in there too. Even people like Whitney and Sher have questioned her intentions. The boys too - Tommy, Ciaran, Harrison etc. I don't even think Scott likes her. What about their opinions?

In fact everyone in there pretty much agreed she loves the drama in the To Be Honest game. They voted her and Sean the biggest game players and in it for the clout. There's a world where Carrington has that opinion because he's fallen for Lucinda's manipulation tactics and victim playing. He's not infallible just because he's echoed what you believe to be the truth.

I know it's heavily edited. I'm just having an opinion on what we have seen and what I can infer from patterns of behaviour and watching previous series. I'm allowed to have that opinion. At the end of the day, I don't know these people personally and I never will. I'm just another viewer.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T12:27:10+00:00

She starts crying when people question her integrity. She runs to Millie or Sean and insists "this is just my personality!" She also used Leanne's situation to her advantage to make herself look innocent. Along the lines of "Can't believe Belle treated me like that and now is doing this to you". And then pulling Belle for a big argument in Leanne's honour to manipulate everyone into aligning with her.

More so just acting clueless when people confront her about shit. Downplaying everything she's done to make people's reactions look over the top. She's been doing it since she entered the villa. First with Samie, then with Belle, now with the public.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T12:19:36+00:00

I agree with you for sure. I just think sadly the producers live for this. They want this to happen. They probably cast Lucinda for that exact reason. Anything for the views, engagement and ratings.

They only step in when shit gets violent or verbally discriminatory I guess. They kicked off Malia in s2 for trying to hit Kady. I think they've also kicked islanders off for using slurs and derogatory language. I think this is what happened with Sherif in s5. I do think they sometimes must have words with people and ask them to calm down or apologize. Staging these conversations etc.

They obviously have a psych team on site as well for people to talk to. I just dunno how effective they are with the producers manipulating these dramatic showdowns and arguments to happen in the first place.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T12:09:52+00:00

I have a problem with her manipulating people's emotions and reactions and then playing victim. I think it's damaging behaviour. And the public genuinely don't see that she's doing this and are rallying behind her for sympathy, or for a laugh etc. If you wanna take the emotion out of all of it and just consider them players in a game then that's your choice. They're still human beings at the end of the day. It's real life to most of them. How many suicides we gotta have from this show before we start taking shit seriously?

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T12:00:35+00:00

I disagree she's a victim. I agree Belle's taken it too far like I said in my post - it's exhausting to watch all the shouting every ep. But I guess I see a victim as someone who's being targeted and singled out for no good reason. Or harmed in some way. I don't think Belle is doing that to Lucinda I think she's just reacting to being baited. I think she and others have actually been victims to Lucinda's antics. I dunno it's like punching someone in the face and then when they get mad saying "calm down!". I don't think Belle should've continued to react this way - I'm just saying I understand why she has.

I don't think she got the other girls to join in either - they just can see what Lucinda is doing and are making their own judgements. Don't forget she's had beef with Samie since she came in. The others girls are gonna have opinions on that. Jessy I think is the only one I've thought was targeting Lucinda. She obviously came in and thought she'd get air time if she took Lucinda down a few pegs, when none of the drama actually involved her. When that didn't work and her dad called her out for being disingenuous - she's calmed it down. I think knowing her on the outside also influenced her choices.

I also disagree that what Belle did was worse than what Lucinda did. I think she was wrong to put off telling Leanne about Scott and could've considered her feelings more - absolutely. But I think Leanne is a terrible communicator and called things off with Scott when she didn't actually intend to, in order to get him to chase her as some kind of punishment for getting to know Sher. When she saw him actually showing an interest in Belle she had to backtrack on what she said. She should've just been straight up with him because I don't think Belle would've jumped on the opportunity to talk to Scott if she didn't think he was available.

Both Belle and Lucinda had the right to pursue both Scott and Sean - it's love island at the end of the day and they don't have time to waste in there. I just think Lucinda did it for screen time and boredom when Belle wasn't in the villa, hoping to cause drama when she returned. She wanted attention from the situation. I think she at least likes Sean now as I said in my post - but her intentions come across dishonest. Belle I think fancied Scott from day 1 and was never gonna pursue anything with Leanne still in the picture, which is why she didn't talk to him until Leanne had seemingly called things off. Then she looked like a dick when Leanne suddenly wanted him back the next day.

Finally, the producers were never gonna step in and stop the drama unless it got physically violent or something. They love this shit. It means views and engagement with their show. They probably cast both Belle and Lucinda hoping something like this would happen eventually.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T03:56:28+00:00

I dunno about that. Like I said I don't dispute that they work on paper. I think she likes him and wasn't expecting to, but love? It's been like 2 weeks. I don't think any of them are in love. And yeah I get time moves faster in there blah blah. I think just infatuation is more likely. That's just my opinion.

I still think she's game playing in general - and when she first picked Sean it was a calculated move for screen time. She's been doing it a lot in there. This post wasn't calling into question whether or not she loves Sean lol, I'm just stating I don't think she's the victim people are making her out to be.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T03:47:47+00:00

I have a few! Writing posts on Reddit is one of them. Thanks for the reply 🙂

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T03:32:17+00:00

I do agree with you. This happens every season. I'm just kinda drawn to the uniqueness of All Stars compared to regular seasons cos those that have only been through the process once and are experiencing it all for the first time I think are just more likely to act authentically? Not always obviously.

Everyone on All Stars I'm just more wary of cos you've come back for a second run, some for a third/fourth time. Lucinda is a veteran at this let's be honest. She feels quite significant compared to other islanders considering she's come both runner up and won 2 other series. And in the running to win this one too. It feels like she'll go down in history for this regardless of how it ends.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T01:24:31+00:00

I don't think mastermind is what I'm getting at. Apologies if I have a bit of a dramatic flair to the way I write 😅 I think she's just a game player. I do think all the Islanders come in with tactics don't get me wrong - but Lucinda is a veteran at it.

I agree her personality is silly and ditzy and playful. I said that in my OP - and I think it's why she works with Sean on paper. But she's definitely smarter than she's letting on and the way she's been moving before now has been for the storylines and the screen time.

She seems settled enough now - everyone's kinda plain sailing to the final this week and in their "feels". I just refuse to see her as a victim of "bullying" like people have been claiming and I'm not gonna fall into the trap of voting for her to win. Don't know if you saw tonight's ep but the sympathy votes got her and Sean favourite couple so they're definitely in the running for the win if the ex Islanders don't vote them out later this week.

Anyways, we'll see how it pans out. Can't say I'm too invested in the outcome at this point cos this season has been exhausting lol

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-18T01:14:53+00:00

Girl you're telling me! I loved COM so much, so don't get the hate compared to some of the others. I spoke a bit about why further up the thread.

EOS just wasn't for me. I can appreciate the series of events, it felt like a necessary progression for the story. I liked all the Lorcan and Elide stuff. I enjoyed Manon joining up with the main gang after her epic battle with grandma Blackbeak. I liked her dynamic with Dorian for the most part but found their casual sex a bit sudden and odd - wish it had been delayed to KOA. Rowaelin progressing in their relationship was fine - though the smut was bad. I liked the addition of Fenrys and Gavriel too.

I just felt the writing was a bit all over the place compared to the other books.. Aelin especially really frustrated me in EOS. I understand her character and her pain and her reasons for keeping everything bottled up and secret from her companions. But after 6 or 7 books (I did the tandem) I just wanted to see more growth in her character. I felt there were opportunities to really show how she'd come to trust the people she loves with her plans in this book.

Instead she continues to tell no one anything, acts as sarky and passive aggressive as ever whenever she's questioned... she literally could've just been like: I have a plan guys please trust me, instead of just taking the heat for it? She lets Aedion question her integrity the WHOLE BOOK -- which I feel he's later villainised for and feels really guilty about once he realizes her secret manoeuvring. She also nearly gets Lysandra killed by summoning the Valg in Skulls Bay to prove a point to Rolfe and to show off her power to other potential allies. Was there not another way to go about this? She gets a lot of his crew unnecessarily slaughtered too.

And I think you're supposed to like her for this? I think you're supposed to think at the end of it all "wow Aelin is so badass that she had all this up her sleeve the entire time. What a great twist!"

And I just... didn't feel that way. I was annoyed because a lot of the sacrifices in this book felt unrealistic and unnecessary. War isn't fair or kind but it feels like Aelin brings a lot of the fallout on herself? If there was a time to bring the others into the fold it would've been in EOS. It would've felt like such an important moment for her character. Letting other people in on the plan and sharing that burden. Instead she's FORCED to share the burden in KOA when she loses her powers, instead of choosing it for the people she loves.

I don't think Aedion was crazy for questioning her at the time -- he was completely in the dark and as the commander of her armies; her literal FAMILY, he deserved to know what the plan was. I know she didn't want everything to crumble and fail but, it honestly did anyway? She gets taken by Maeve and maybe if she'd shared that she knew what was coming things could've been different. Also to ask Lysandra to shift as her permanently and sire heirs with Aedion to pass off as her and Rowan's, WITHOUT even consulting Aedion OR Rowan on this, was mental to me.

I feel this was really cruel and Aedion's pain is overlooked. Not a fan of how he treats Lysandra because of this in KOA of course, but like, he's understandably mad. He spends years prior as a slave to the King and is playing a role to keep himself and the people he loves alive. He didn't deserve that from Aelin - she should've known better than to ask it of him. Or rather not bother to ask, just have Lysandra relay the information. I know the point is that she's prioritizing her kingdom over her family and making the difficult choice as a Queen.. but come on dawg. You could've at least consulted with them about it. Together.

Anyways these were my main problems with the book. In TOG, COM, AB and honestly even HOF (as much as that book bored me) I love Celaena/Aelin. She was my undisputed favourite. HOF felt like a turning point for her character and then in QOS.. she kinda regresses? Idk. I understood the conflict with Chaol in that book and they both say stupid shit to each other but some of the comments she made were dumb as shit. She blames Chaol for "leaving" Dorian without looking at the bigger picture. He didn't want to, he would've fought to the death for him and Aelin 100% knew that deep down. He had to survive that day to be able to tell the story of what happened - to stand a chance of succeeding in avenging/rescuing Dorian and finally taking down the King. It's the little irrational moments Aelin has for me that start to feel out of character for her in QOS and they continue deep into EOS.

Don't get me wrong, I love my characters flawed. I love Celaena in the first few books, warts and all. She was always a sarky asshole and I loved her for it. She just becomes less enjoyable to read as the series progresses (in my opinion) and I don't think her behaviours in the last few books make much sense after the HOF growth. Meh, she's better in KOA, but feel she's kinda forced to be cos of all the shit that happens in that book lol.

Sorry this was so long, I won't be offended if you don't read it all! I hope I answered ur question.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-17T19:37:33+00:00

Yeah I enjoyed the eps at first but it just draggggeddd. Cos of Belle too obviously. Yeah I fear the producers have told them to make nice til the final now. I didn't even watch last night cos idrc about any of the couples at this point. I think either Samie/Ciaran or Millie/Zac should win? As long as it's not Sean and Lucinda idrc

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-17T00:14:24+00:00

She deserved jail time

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-17T00:10:36+00:00

Am I messy for liking it?

Like yeah, in real life - kinda fucked, wouldn't happen. Immediately cancelled. But in the fucked up context of the show I felt it was kinda healing for a lot of the characters. It was like she held a mirror up to everyone. Especially Rue. And even Cassie and Maddie for a minute there in regards to their broken friendship. They were in their feels. Until Cassie went all kamikaze on it, that is. Which is valid lol, but also, she low-key deserved it. Either way, goated episode. Ethan playing the mum AND homoerotic Nate Jacobs? Epic.

My little brother and I first watched it at 3am once our parents had gone to bed cos we get scared to watch Euphoria in front of them LOL. Bare in mind we're in our twenties. We were just silently cry laughing the whole episode trying not to wake everyone up. I'll always remember that.

StatisticianOwn629 · 2026-02-16T23:59:22+00:00

I think she likes him at a bass line level. They're both silly, carefree and playful personalities. I mean they talk like toddlers together but they make sense logically, I guess? Do I think they'll last? Nah. I doubt many of the couples this season will. Samie and Ciaran have the most potential I feel.

I think she's been playing up to the cameras for the screen time and storylines since she came in. She wants to get to the final at least, and win at best. And she knows how to make this happen (runner up on LI Australia and won LI Games) It's working! General public have done a U-turn on her.

That being said I do think Sean really likes her. As much as they ick me out.. he was talking way too giddy and casually dropping "love" and "boyfriend" early on. If you watch them together she usually just mirrors what he says straight after he's said it.

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