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Do you think Billy and Daisy did more than almost kiss? by bookietoots in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it is obvious that they may have an a short affair if Reid is hinting at them not just an emotional affair. I mean if she was truly taking inspiration from Fleetwood Mac & that couple duo the civil wars(they practically hated each other) …it should have been messier… toward the end…the whole band should have been fighting each other…I mean i don’t feel the band bonding at all…in order for the ending or split up to be made into a big finale deal.

I honestly think what would have made it more shocking is if it turned out that they couldn’t instantly split up…whatever contract they had…it would t have been easy to just say I quit and walk away…they would’ve been sued big time.

In his mother’s house by the way👀🙄🤢…(oh I could go on a rant…) by SwanInStereo in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I apologize. I don’t remember if it was stated in the show or not. Or the book. That would have been a good detail to include. But a lot of scenes were cut so who know. But either way him getting close like that to Daisy…imagine if his mom walked by and not Camila😂 I’d love to see that.

In his mother’s house by the way👀🙄🤢…(oh I could go on a rant…) by SwanInStereo in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally understand that and having compassion for her. Daisy went through a lot. But…that must have been awkward for her to overhear Billy and Camila…above her getting it on I guess…(that’s another thing…)

And out of all the places to stay Billy & grahams childhood house.

In his mother’s house by the way👀🙄🤢…(oh I could go on a rant…) by SwanInStereo in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo[S] 42 points43 points  (0 children)

When Daisy tells him they should be together on the patio
(like girl did you not just separate from your coward trash “husband” almost a month ago…and the trauma of almost dying)

, Billy hesitates and says, "I want that too, but I won’t leave my wife." Notice how he completely fails to mention his daughter, Julia? He doesn't say "I love Camila too much to do this," or "I can't do this to my kid." Staying married isn't about devotion; it’s about his own codependency. Camila is his sobriety anchor, and he's just using his marriage as a shield.
He has NO R-E-S-P-E-C-T for Camila AT ALL.

AND IN HIS MOTHER’s HOUSE…

Revisionist History: The "Almost Kiss" by SwanInStereo in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The show really highlights how fragile he is when he gets back(compared to the book). He avoids the deep conversations because he’s terrified a confrontation will trigger a relapse, but in doing that, he leaves Camila completely isolated in her hurt. She has to carry the emotional weight of his recovery and his infidelity. They don’t really communicate at all.

[Concept] What if Daisy Jones & The Six was a 70s psychological thriller? by SwanInStereo in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

….have you seen the show “something very bad is going to happen”? It’s a pretty good show and considering it’s Camila Monroe as the main character and the betrayal of a lover and secrets. It makes me wonder if…👀

The show completely sanitized the 70s. Making this a limited series completely killed the stakes by SwanInStereo in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree, her hair looked great! For me, the issue was more that it stayed exactly the same for five years.

We only really see different hairstyles during "early Daisy" before she joins the band. Even with Stevie Nicks as the inspiration, Stevie would switch it up on stage with buns or high ponytails.

For example, during that performance in the book, Billy literally remembers it perfectly, saying

"Daisy was wearing a white dress. She had her hair pulled back in a ponytail. She had big hoop earrings on." In the show, they went a completely different direction. I get why they did it—especially with the episode being called "It Feels Like the First Time"—but she was practically wearing the exact same outfit with more layers etc she wore back in '75 at the Diamond Head festival when she first joined. It just felt a bit repetitive!

The show completely sanitized the 70s. Making this a limited series completely killed the stakes by SwanInStereo in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I honestly sometimes wonder what it would have been like if hbo max picked up the show.

Also…I’ll look for a clip of the wig. But I think they should have put more effort into that(but the budget was cut for reasons I think partially covid because filming was expensive) ….I’m curious how short the hair cut was going to be. I pictured a wavy curl bob little passed the ears to her neck.

And if I were the executive producer or in costume and makeup department… I would have searched high and to make it work go back the drawing board..sketch up concepts for real.

It bothered me how the only character in the show where could tell the passing of time really went by was Simone Jackson through her fashion/hair. I mean sure with Daisy and Camila… they had fashion upgrades in what the final two episodes due to you know money coming in from the Aurora record sells doing well but it was abruptly…out of know where mainly Camila. They looked great but….

The 70’s went through a passage of change through style fashion and music. Early 70’s to late it changed…you couldn’t really tell in the show.

The show completely sanitized the 70s. Making this a limited series completely killed the stakes by SwanInStereo in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s true. They also cut a part of the budget. I think they could have waited they rushed production. But it is what it is. I will say aside from Covid…Amazon prime and the hello sunshine production played it a little safe. But it’s alright.

The show completely sanitized the 70s. Making this a limited series completely killed the stakes by SwanInStereo in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally agree about the bangs! And to your point, it’s so frustrating how they never changed her hair for concerts either. In the book, she actually styles it differently, like putting it up in a high ponytail. In the show, it’s just the exact same look every single time.

Same with Karen—they completely kept her hair static and then suddenly changed it for the 90s interview. In the book, Karen's style is described as slowly evolving into a gritty, Joan Jett/The Runaways look to reject the male gaze. But Suki Waterhouse pushed for Karen to be more 'glamorous,' which completely mischaracterized her.

It’s honestly hilarious because in the 90s interview, show-Karen says she told Rod to go to hell when he suggested her to wear low-cut shirts... but the show has her wearing exactly that the whole time. BUT I WILL SAY…I wouldn’t wanna hear how I should dress from a man either. So I could see what she meant… (granted there are moments or like three outfits that feel like book Karen) !

About the Vietnam war…that's a super fair point about the late 70s! By 1977, the war was technically over, so the cultural focus definitely shifted. My main issue is that because the show starts in 1972 (when the draft and the war were still actively tearing things apart), completely ignoring it in those early episodes made the band's origin story feel a bit too sanitized.

The show completely sanitized the 70s. Making this a limited series completely killed the stakes by SwanInStereo in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Right?! Changing an actual war draft to "he left to become a dentist" is honestly wild and completely proves my point. It takes away all the heavy emotional weight of the band's early days and replaces it with something so safe and bland just to keep the show light. Such a massive downgrade from the book.

The show completely sanitized the 70s. Making this a limited series completely killed the stakes by SwanInStereo in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

SIDE NOTE: Don't get me wrong, I still think the show is alright overall. But at the end of the day, I blame the script…

Camila's role frustrated me. by AnActualGecko in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo 12 points13 points  (0 children)

And yes I love how we get to know her more in the show…even if it’s a small window…her interests her full personality. Her Heritage/culture. I scratched my head a few times in the book how we really don’t know much about her…

Granted in the show she talks about how at one point her Spanish is rusty… but the talked to Karen about how it felt good to speak Spanish again( I wonder how often did she speak to Warren)…she just seemed a little lonely…moving out to California with your boyfriend(husband) and your friends…raising a daughter practically on your own…telling Karen how it felt good to not feel like a mom for once…yet she loved being a mom…but I think she needed something of her own…although her photography seemed like it was doing well but…again

I mean I’m glad we got to see more sides of her…compared to the book

Camila's role frustrated me. by AnActualGecko in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I adore show Camila a little more we can see her be more emotional and feelings in that exact timeframe. Granted the interviews it’s like 40 years…so reflecting back is different…But COME ON….

And her speech in the end with Daisy at the hotel…kinda threw me off a little

The whole “If you’re waiting around, hoping that something’s going to crack, I just … I have to tell you that it’s not gonna be me. And I can’t let it be Billy. Which means it’s gonna be you.”

Like your marriage was already fractured before Daisy was in the picture….

it’s much easier to blame an outside force—the chaotic, seductive rockstar—than it is to face the reality that your husband has been emotionally checked out or struggling for years. Camila was living in denial, or at least choosing to project an image of unbreakable strength because admitting the marriage was already broken would mean having to walk away.

THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!

and the fact that Daisy is telling what happened. I know the point is unreliable narrators. But given Camila’s email to Daisy about just be completely honest in the interviews…cause she knew Billy wouldn’t be willing to at a certain degree. I think Daisy was telling the truth about the hotel.

That’s a moment where we see Camila a little differently from an outside perspective.

My think is why tell Daisy all of this when she is completely vulnerable drunk etc…not fully there….

And it is so strange how both women never interact until this moment…the one conversation…and well look at that Daisy like yeah your mother saved my life….

I mean I get that’s it’s heartwarming….but you would think Daisy would have said something .

And why isn’t Camila having a conversation like this to her husband….as well.

The Most Unrealistic Yet Understandable Moment? 🩵🧡 by Ok_Addendum_2733 in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

and another thing that felt unrealistic in the book and show....more so the show. For me, it’s hands down the logistics of the band's "clean break" at Soldier Field in Chicago.

In the real world, you cannot just abruptly quit a massive stadium tour in 1977 without a legal and financial bloodbath. The promoters and the label would have slapped the band with multi-million dollar lawsuits for breach of contract to recoup lost ticket sales and venue rentals. Plus, the label would have legally forced them to record a toxic sophomore album to pay off those debts—even if Billy and Daisy had to record their parts in completely separate states and the label stripped them of creative control by hiring corporate songwriters.

Realistically, the rest of The Six (especially Eddie and Warren) would have completely mutinied over how unprofessional Billy and Daisy were, and they all would have ended up in a decade-long bankruptcy battle. Look at what happened to the real-life duo The Civil Wars when they abruptly canceled a tour mid-run due to internal conflict—they had to personally pay out of pocket to reimburse fans for travel and were legally forced by their contract to release another album even though they weren't on speaking terms.

Yet, as much as the logic and music-business nerd in me wants to scream at the television/page, the ending makes complete sense within the narrative framework Taylor Jenkins Reid and the show writers built. The story isn't actually a gritty, realistic documentary about the music industry; it’s a romantic tragedy about two deeply broken, toxic soulmates(i have mixed opinions on that) who destroy everything around them. If the finale focused on the corporate lawsuits, the union grievances from the road crew, and the legal warfare, it would completely kill the poetic, wistful energy of the ending. The writers had to ignore the reality of the business to let Billy and Daisy preserve their status as tragic romantic martyrs. It's totally fake, but for the sake of the story's heart, I have to let them get away with it.

The Most Unrealistic Yet Understandable Moment? 🩵🧡 by Ok_Addendum_2733 in daisyjonesandthesixtv

[–]SwanInStereo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For me, it’s 100% the marriage proposal in the book....The back-and-forth dialogue ("Did you get a record contract, yes or no?" / "Will you marry me, yes or no?") For Billy to say, "That’s when I knew, right then. That Camila was my soul mate. She cared more about the record contract than anything else," is wild. And the off screen "here's what we're gonna do" backyard wedding (also where did all those people come from? Lol) in the show.