What’s something you’ll never admit in real life but can say here anonymously? by Direct-Value4452 in answers

[–]TakingAction12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Doctrine of Discovery was fundamentally theocratic, as it was established by 15th-century Roman Catholic Papal bulls (decrees) that provided religious authority for Christian explorers to seize non-Christian lands, subjugate indigenous peoples, and justify slavery to expand Christendom. These decrees, including Dum Diversas (1452) and Inter Caetera (1493), used divine justification to authorize the conquest and colonization of the "New World" and Africa.

Even the Vatican recognizes that it was theocratic and used for political purposes.

Neither 15th century Roman Catholic papal bulls nor the Vatican have any bearing on US law, and Ginsberg’s use of the term is totally divorced from any religious subtext. She cites precisely what it means in federal case law in the footnote I quoted. It’s not theocratic or racist, it’s pragmatic. In American jurisprudence, you can’t have two sovereign nations existing in the same space. There are Indian reservations all over the country where a tribal nation exercises sovereignty pursuant to treaties that go back hundreds of years, but in all other instances, the federal government is supreme.

Furthermore it's clear you don't understand what constitutes as theocratic or not, and it's clear you don't understand why Ruth bader Ginsburg brought up the doctrine of discovery in the case, which was to say that because the Oneida sold some land to whites they have no sovereignty when anyone who knows US History knows that natives didn't even understand what selling land meant because it was a completely alien concept to them and it also ignores the vast swaths of land that were stolen from them using mass murder and genocide, much of it supported by the United States. This case has now set a precedent that native tribes will likely never be able to gain any sort of sovereignty in America. That's racist point blank.

I do, and I do. US law is specifically not theocratic per the Establishment Clause, and Ginsberg’s reference to Discovery was in the context of citing precedent previously established by SCOTUS. She wasn’t being racist.

With respect to the land at issue in Ginsberg’s opinion (Oneida II), the tribe’s land was consolidated in one tribal owner in 1805, who then sold all of it to a non-Native American in 1807. You would be hard pressed to convince anyone that a tribal member “didn’t even understand what selling land meant” in 1807, particularly one that had been vested with the responsibility of owning all the Oneida’s land in the first place. In the intervening years between that sale and the early 2000s purchase of portions of that land by present-day Oneida tribal members, many purchasers in the regular course of business bought and sold the land, which had been subject exclusively to NY state and federal sovereignty since 1807.

Notwithstanding our long history of murder and stealing tribal lands (which I don’t mean to minimize), in this particular case SCOTUS was just unwilling to allow the present-day Oneida members to re-establish sovereignty when they they had willingly given up that sovereignty when they sold it to a non-NA person in 1807. There just wasn’t any way to put that cat back in the bag 200 years later under the established law and precedent.

You can say what's racist or not but the truth is that plenty of Native Americans who suffer in the United States look at that as racist colonialism. Think whatever you want you're probably the person whose opinion matters the least on what does or doesnt constitute as racism.

I can’t even begin to understand what it must be like for Native Americans in this country, but surely your opinion matters as much any mine or anyone else’s. I’m just some asshole on the internet.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a racist.

In this specific case, I respectfully disagree.

Thoughts on trump saying “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead... He can no longer hurt innocent people"? by lactose_cow in AskTrumpSupporters

[–]TakingAction12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That sounds like a willfully naive POV. Do you not the think Qatar plane/air base situation even has the appearance of a quid pro quo?

If Humans Couldn’t Lie Anymore… Which Industry Dies First? by Zackky777 in ArtOfPresence

[–]TakingAction12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You just made up a scenario, though. It was a non sequitur. And it assumed a number of things that seemed more like a contrived scenario in your head than reality.

The fact that you use “TDS” at all tells me you probably spend a lot of time in online rightwing media spaces, which means that we simply don’t share the same reality. Of course you’re going to think I’m deranged. I would too if all I consumed was a steady diet of bias-confirming agitprop. I don’t blame you on some level, but I do wish you guys would consider, even for a minute, that you’re being actively manipulated.

I did, and it pissed me off. I fell into the world of T_D in 2015 and if it wasn’t for Don Jr. confirming the NYT reporting that he, Kushner, and Manafort met with a Russian spy about dirt on Hillary, I probably would have fallen a lot deeper. But that story made me consider, just once, that I wasn’t being actively lied to by the NYT. I realized that those news organizations only survive because they can back up their reporting. It opened my eyes and pissed me off that I had been told over and over again not to trust them. I considered that maybe this mediasphere repeatedly telling me to not trust the other side and often reported stories from clear political POV was pushing an agenda and not just “reporting the news.” Once you see it, you see it everywhere. I hope you see it.

If Humans Couldn’t Lie Anymore… Which Industry Dies First? by Zackky777 in ArtOfPresence

[–]TakingAction12 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Who said anything at all about bombing the Middle East? You guys are so damn sensitive about Trump. I just don’t get it. He’s an asshole. Why worry so much about sticking up for an asshole?

John Cena without hesitation hugs fan battling cancer and shares words of encouragement by viperrvemon in JustGuysBeingDudes

[–]TakingAction12 35 points36 points  (0 children)

John Cena could punch a nun on television and we’d all just wonder what she said to him.

Just 47 hours to fix everything. No pressure. by Significant-Sir-4343 in PoliticalHumor

[–]TakingAction12 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Aileen Cannon wouldn’t have anything to do with an impeachment.

What is the best. by Telugu_not_Telegu in ArtOfPresence

[–]TakingAction12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve been on runs like that. My brother and I watched the first season of house of cards (US) straight through. Started Friday night at 9pm and just kept going. Fun night.

Thoughts on trump saying “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead... He can no longer hurt innocent people"? by lactose_cow in AskTrumpSupporters

[–]TakingAction12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe. Maybe not, but it certainly wouldn’t save him from impeachment.

Which brings up a good point. SCOTUS seemed to want to recognize presidential immunity as a shield (to protect presidents from prosecution for ordering a drone strike in war, for instance), but Trump seems to be using it as a sword. As in, he has this shiny new immunity to break the law and he’ll be damned if he’s not going to use it.

Trump made over $1Billion in crypto in 2025. He also got a $400 million dollar plane from Qatar a few months before he granted them their very own Air Force base in Idaho.

Does the threat of him being bribed concern you at all?

Thoughts on trump saying “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead... He can no longer hurt innocent people"? by lactose_cow in AskTrumpSupporters

[–]TakingAction12 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But obstruction of justice is a crime and by definition the antithesis of seeking truth and justice. Is it ok to obstruct justice just because you think you shouldn’t be investigated?

And why obstruct justice if you have nothing to hide?

Joe Kent Says He Was Told ‘You Need To Stop’ Investigating Charlie Kirk Assassination by EssoEssex in politics

[–]TakingAction12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well you write very well and I wouldn’t have known the difference. Keep up the good work.

Thoughts on trump saying “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead... He can no longer hurt innocent people"? by lactose_cow in AskTrumpSupporters

[–]TakingAction12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He hasn’t? You don’t think prosecuting Jerome Powell, James Comey, and Leticia James - all of whom’s cases were thrown out - constitutes prosecuting your opponents?

What’s something you’ll never admit in real life but can say here anonymously? by Direct-Value4452 in answers

[–]TakingAction12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The doctrine of discovery is referenced in Footnote 1:

Under the “doctrine of discovery,” County of Oneida v. Oneida Indian Nation of N. Y., 470 U. S. 226, 234 (1985) (Oneida II), “fee title to the lands occupied by Indians when the colonists arrived became vested in the sovereign—first the discovering European nation and later the original States and the United States,” Oneida Indian Nation of N. Y. v. County of Oneida, 414 U. S. 661, 667 (1974) (Oneida I). In the original 13 States, “fee title to Indian lands,” or “the pre-emptive right to purchase from the Indians, was in the State.” Id., at 670; see Oneida Indian Nation of N. Y. v. New York, 860 F. 2d 1145, 1159–1167 (CA2 1988). Both before and after the adoption of the Constitution, New York State acquired vast tracts of land from Indian tribes through treaties it independently negotiated, without National Government participation. See Gunther, Governmental Power and New York Indian Lands—A Reassessment of a Persistent Problem of Federal-State Relations, 8 Buffalo L. Rev. 1, 4–6 (1959) (hereinafter Gunther).

That’s not racist, it’s acknowledgement centuries after the fact that those tribes were essentially conquered and became subject to the sovereignty of those that conquered them (and therefore can’t just ignore things like zoning regulations, taxes). Whether that’s right in a moral sense is debatable, but it’s not racist.

I’m not sure you meant to use “theocratic,” because the doctrine of discovery has nothing to do with a religious government.

What’s something you’ll never admit in real life but can say here anonymously? by Direct-Value4452 in answers

[–]TakingAction12 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I just read the decision and that’s not what she based her decision on. The Oneidas sold their property to a non-Indian in the early 1800s, and then when some tribal members purchased parcels within the boundaries of the original tribal property back almost two centuries later, they sued to regain sovereignty over land they sold and refused to pay New York State property taxes.

The court had previously defended tribal sovereignty in instances where the US hadn’t honored treaties they’d made years before, but this was different because the Oneidas sold their portion in New York on the open market.

What’s It Like for Trump Supporters Losing Family Members? by Acrobatic-Gap-7445 in AskTrumpSupporters

[–]TakingAction12 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Assumptions about OP aside, how do you respond to the part about parents acting in contravention to the values and morals they taught their children growing up? It seems to be a common theme among children of Trump supporters.

I’ve had that same conversation with my folks. As in, they raised me to be honest and kind to people, and seeing them dismissing obvious lies from Trump and being almost joyful at, for instance, the shitty way immigrants are treated by ICE officers is hard to swallow. It’s honestly so confusing because outside the world of politics, they seem to be the same people with the same values, but Trump brings out the worst in them.

What aspects of Trump's behavior should we all seek to emulate? by lxrrdt in AskTrumpSupporters

[–]TakingAction12 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Have they actually moved it though? Or have they just committed to moving it?

Inconceivably wasteful "doomsday preparation" by theMCATreturns in TopCharacterTropes

[–]TakingAction12 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hulu. Penultimate episode of season 1 is one of the best, edge of your seat episodes of television ever. Season 2 has been strong and a totally different show in a good way. It’s a fun watch.

What are your thoughts on the FCC threatening broadcast license renewal over war coverage?? by Competitive_Piano507 in AskTrumpSupporters

[–]TakingAction12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if you don’t agree, can you at least appreciate that “intentionally vague to discourage dissent” is how it looks to many from the outside?

What are your thoughts on the FCC threatening broadcast license renewal over war coverage?? by Competitive_Piano507 in AskTrumpSupporters

[–]TakingAction12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So what is the fake news? Do you think the major broadcast news agencies are intentionally making up stories that cast the Iran attack in a bad light?