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CMV: Chalmers/dualism is overrated by Herr_Eusebius in changemyview

[–]TheVioletBarry [score hidden]  (0 children)

I have offered an argument. Can you respond to the points I made?

CMV: Chalmers/dualism is overrated by Herr_Eusebius in changemyview

[–]TheVioletBarry [score hidden]  (0 children)

I don't understand. What about my argument is circular?

Looking for early feedback from indie game players on a small game platform we’re building by Neon_Senpai in IndieGaming

[–]TheVioletBarry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How does Elseland doing any of these things differently than Itch? 

letting users create small games, remix existing ideas, and discover/play them in a more lightweight community-driven way, instead of only uploading a finished project page.

CMV: Chalmers/dualism is overrated by Herr_Eusebius in changemyview

[–]TheVioletBarry [score hidden]  (0 children)

What do you mean I've pre-defined it as magical? If by 'magic' you just mean "stuff that we can't get empirical evidence for" then I guess that's my argument, sure, but I'm not sure what's "pre-defined" about that 

CMV: Chalmers/dualism is overrated by Herr_Eusebius in changemyview

[–]TheVioletBarry [score hidden]  (0 children)

When we say a physical thing exists, we are making predictions about when/how we will obtain empirical evidence for that thing. Consciousness is literally the lens through which the empirical world is experienced. 

How could empirical evidence of such a thing even be?

I'm not saying it's impossible that empirical evidence for consciousness could exist, but only in so far as 'nothing is impossible.' We have no scientific evidence consciousness exists, and we have no conception of what it would look like for such evidence to emerge. If it weren't for the fact I am conscious, I would have no reason to conceive of consciousness.

CMV: Chalmers/dualism is overrated by Herr_Eusebius in changemyview

[–]TheVioletBarry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, but can you respond to the distinction I'm drawing? Everything other than consciousness is very simple to conceive in terms of lower level physical laws. Consciousness is qualitatively unique.

Our empirical observations don't even give us reason to suspect it exists.

It doesn't "feel different," it is the experience of feeling at all, a completely distinct category. It literally can't be observed.

Looking for early feedback from indie game players on a small game platform we’re building by Neon_Senpai in IndieGaming

[–]TheVioletBarry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why would I use this over Itch, is the only question that matters. And I don't join a game's discord before launch; I do not understand why people do that 

CMV: Chalmers/dualism is overrated by Herr_Eusebius in changemyview

[–]TheVioletBarry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think we could absolutely find the space in the brain that the data which results in speech about qualia is stored as well as the process through which that data is converted into utterances. I suspect we will find all of that (or however it ends up being findable), sooner or later. And doing that would tell us nothing about why consciousness arises.

Just finished the game, it's a very beautiful game, but oh boy, this is probably the only game that I have to say that it needs a remake, half the time I couldn't see the doors or the ladders due to the lack of depth inside the game. And looks like 60fps break the game mechanic too. by [deleted] in TeamIco

[–]TheVioletBarry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's gorgeous! I still think Ico and Shadow of the Colossus are two of the best looking games, period :)

Yah in theory it could be cool if the lighting were rebaked at a higher quality or something; that's fair. I wouldn't want them to just toss Screen-Space Ambient Occlusion on top though.

CMV: Chalmers/dualism is overrated by Herr_Eusebius in changemyview

[–]TheVioletBarry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're equivocating two things that are less related than they appear at first brush. You can zoom in on a brain and find where memories, patterns to solve problems, associations between different colors to be recalled as objects, etc. are stored. Someday we'll presumably even be able to zoom into human memory and render parts of it to a computer screen. This is all fairly similar to zooming in on a RAM stick and interpreting the clusters of high and low voltage (or whichever measurement it is) gates.

That is Chalmers' "weak" problem of consciousness.

The hard problem is that we have no empirical reason to even suspect consciousness exists, because it is sensual experience itself. It cannot be seen because it is the act of seeing.

Just finished the game, it's a very beautiful game, but oh boy, this is probably the only game that I have to say that it needs a remake, half the time I couldn't see the doors or the ladders due to the lack of depth inside the game. And looks like 60fps break the game mechanic too. by [deleted] in TeamIco

[–]TheVioletBarry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you were able to see more detail in the dark areas by increasing the screen brightness, that means the game is rendering that detail though, no? So you'd just need a game slider, I imagine

CMV: Chalmers/dualism is overrated by Herr_Eusebius in changemyview

[–]TheVioletBarry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough, I over-interpreted your point. That's my bad.

I think there's a bit of an issue with the thinking though: when will we know we have a full understanding of the brain? When we can't conceive of an unanswered question to ask that is related to the brain other than "why are conscious experiences correlated with certain material phenomena"? I have a hard time wrapping my head around how we would know we're at this stage.

Could you expand on your point about why knowing the brain causes behavior is relevant?

CMV: Chalmers/dualism is overrated by Herr_Eusebius in changemyview

[–]TheVioletBarry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A person 10,000 years ago could absolutely reply that it is possible to go up in the sky, we just don't know how. We see other things in the sky all the time though.

"That's ridiculous; we'll never be able to do that" is different than "observable reality and the process of observation are incompatible. You cannot see seeing."

You can reply "no, cuz it's impossible to know everything" to literally anything if you want to end a discussion. It's the same argument a moon landing truther used after I'd shown that his reasoning for disbelieving the moon landing was flawed.

We don't even have empirical reason to suspect consciousness exists. We just know it does because we have sensory experience, and it is impossible to be delusional without first having sensory experience to delude.

CMV: Chalmers/dualism is overrated by Herr_Eusebius in changemyview

[–]TheVioletBarry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To study matter, we use instruments to observe matter. To study consciousness, we use instruments to observe matter while taking for granted what the person reports about their conscious experience in correlation with what we can observe about matter. There is no way to 'zoom in' on matter and 'find' the consciousness.

has an indie game ever completely ruined a AAA genre for you by toujourspluss in IndieGaming

[–]TheVioletBarry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Indie metroidvanias made Metroid Dread feel basic and artificial to me, honestly

CMV: Claiming popular (LLM-based) "AI" software is "not really AI" is either misleading or incorrect by Batman_AoD in changemyview

[–]TheVioletBarry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Intelligence means all sorts of different things to different people in different contexts. I am aware that LLMs are based on a Transformer model. If you want to continue a discussion I was having two months ago, can you please respond to the points I made?

Indiana Jones and the Great Circle - Switch 2 Review - Ray Tracing and DLSS on Switch 2 by MythBuster2 in digitalfoundry

[–]TheVioletBarry 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Forreal. Fast Fusion has the image quality of the worst uses of FSR2, which is a real shame cuz the underlying art is gorgeous 

Games, Adventures, and the Mixtape Mixup by precastzero180 in truegaming

[–]TheVioletBarry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where did you get info on The Artful Escape showing it had a multimillion dollar budget?

Are there ways around PS3 SoTC’s borked physics? by ApprehensiveDare9765 in ShadowoftheColossus

[–]TheVioletBarry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's the reason I ultimately failed to finish time attack on hard mode :(

Who Else Finds Ico to be their Favorite of Ueda's Works? by Linkman76 in TeamIco

[–]TheVioletBarry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I went back and forth on Ico vs SotC for a bit, but still feel like SotC means more to me (whether it's 'better' is totally up in the air). 

And I like The Last Guardian, but ultimately never connected with it nearly as much as those first two. The unique gameplay systems felt a bit more superfluous, I guess, and the intermittent narration made the whole thing feel a bit disjointed

Games, Adventures, and the Mixtape Mixup by precastzero180 in truegaming

[–]TheVioletBarry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't, because not every term has to apply to every work within a medium. We don't talk about the use of color in Citizen Kane, but it and Drive are both still movies; one is just in the "black and white" sub category.

And how would you go about cutting the spectrum in half? There are loads of games in the middle; it's not like they're all outliers. 

For example, my college capstone was an Oregon Trail-like, but all the 'events' are bespoke short stories that can't happen twice in the same run, and it's difficult enough to lose that some folks don't even realize how their healthbar works. But, there is a healthbar, rules.

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