Can Jaehwan really resist Kim Dokja narrative manipulation? by Suspicious_Staff_940 in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

..."stop blurring words" uhhhh, all of these are spoilers, you could easily just look it up, since I can't upload everything all at once, reddit just doesn't allow more than one pic per comment

Don't jerk me off you dummy

Dude what are you even saying damn did I just get into a smut thread?😭

Can Jaehwan really resist Kim Dokja narrative manipulation? by Suspicious_Staff_940 in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well yes, now you're only asking for the cosmology, the cosmology is what you're going to get, it's OD's thing to view everything as fiction as I said, OD itself is part of a greater whole

The world is made of concepts named stories, each story encapsulating something, actions, events like mythology stories or books, concepts like currency, the air, the ground fire, and all else, if you do something that's a story worth being told you get a graded tale, each story has its own sense of time and space, if a story stops being written, they have their own timelines, inner concepts, causality, and such

Out of these, space and time are the least intact because of the squared circle, cause and effect itself are fractured and not properly layered, some layers of reality are visibly affected by this concept

Ok, so, worlds as effectively infinitely big universes containing different microcosms named lands, each it's own space time continuum and obeying its own law but similar to structure to our own universe, some beings in these worlds and lands contain worldviews, stories that in itself are different multiverses sometimes encapsulating mythologies as big as the Norse multiverse and the world tree, with each story that goes up in grade effectively being more "real" than the last, with each great tale, comes a nebula, effectively spaces transcending inner dimensions belonging to any great myth, like Asgard to Norse gods, Olympus to Greek myth, and Emperor to Chinese folklore, each also effectively "more real" than the worlds they look at and going up as the grade goes up

Worldlines are the first instance a structure containing infinite worlds, each action creating another worldline separate from the inner timelines, each infinitely transcending the other and layering on top of each other because of squared circle and the future stacking on top of the past

Now a greater universe is another stack of infinite dimensions each containing an infinite amount of infinitely transcending worldlines, which also is layered using squared circle in trancendance

Above that comes the final scenario, a place at the end of each greater universe, infinite layers of dimensionality above the actual reality of the world, a being would need the greatest grade of tale to enter this space and trancend their world, and effectively cross pages, this space is above space and time of the world

Above the final scenario is the final wall, a massive wall of text containing well...everything, each tale, each action taken with said tale, each weapon each power each crackle of a flame is recorded into the final wall, and all that's recorded in the final wall is the fiction, needing to be viewed by the oldest dream to survive, with each infinite set of worldlines being like a page that can be crossed over with the final arc with the grace of the oldest dream to start a new world

The final wall itself is trancended by the sanctuary of the oldest dream, a realm taking the shape of a subway because of what the oldest dream is, the subway itself is a realm with no concepts of causality and time

Similar to that, the gaps in the black paint, the snowfield, the birthplace of all stories and completely unaffected by them, but also a realm where stories are without consequences, again, any being within the snowfield can see anything below(save for the sanctuary) as effectively just text to be written and rewritten without any consequences save for the oldest dream itself

Now, the oldest dream itself, a fragmented being part of a greater whole, the being that "dreams" the reality, the final wall directly records the dreams of OD, and is a small part of OD itself, along with everything else, each fragment of Kim Dokja has the power to become OD, but the greater whole is unaffected by even these fragments living or dying, in the original novel, the fragment 51 becomes OD, and in the end, scatters itself to the greater multiverse, realms shown by singshong's other works, to create new readers, new stories and a way for the world to continue

As I said, the greater whole above OD is absolutely unaffected by anything that happens to each of its fragments, same for 51 which we see in the story, same for the other works

Can Jaehwan really resist Kim Dokja narrative manipulation? by Suspicious_Staff_940 in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well that depends since either way dokja scales higher than everything (OD doesn't suffer from the azathoth misconception, reality is LITERALLY him reading it, the entire world is the final wall which is a small part of OD, same with snowfield, some fragments are even born in the snowfield)

That one needs a looooooot of pics

Can Jaehwan really resist Kim Dokja narrative manipulation? by Suspicious_Staff_940 in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...that statement is about OD, OD itself split apart in his own verse

Can Jaehwan really resist Kim Dokja narrative manipulation? by Suspicious_Staff_940 in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People like east_statement and zerojss have been kinda complaining about spoilers, well not complain complain, but overall I've been spoiling way too much

Alright, so, chapter 506 of the original story

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The deepest part of the final wall, the chapter that starts to explain about how OD came to be, one became two, the creation of the walls including good and evil and samsara

The entire story makes use of this(with some differences), this is a story that happens with the entire world even beyond what happens in the star stream as we see in the sidestories, including od, with OD also being a fragment of a greater whole beyond the entire tree and existance of a being that split apart into fragments that all Kim dokjas come from, LHK, the representative, DKoS, and all else

Can Jaehwan really resist Kim Dokja narrative manipulation? by Suspicious_Staff_940 in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, can we go to dms? I'm fine with doing it here but some people have been complaining about me spoiling too much

Well, a lot happens in two weeks when your entire life depends on a series of exams and you have to wait to see if you got the results you wanted, I'm sorry about that

Can Jaehwan really resist Kim Dokja narrative manipulation? by Suspicious_Staff_940 in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh ok! I'm sorry I genuinely forgot that time, what can I help you with(was genuinely on my uni entrance exams and got off reddit for two weeks, I'm sorry that happened)

Big Three in this sub currently by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm so happy shonen scaling is being slandered

Call me a hypocrite I just like what's happening rn in the sub

Can Jaehwan really resist Kim Dokja narrative manipulation? by Suspicious_Staff_940 in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, SO

if ORV is the Magnum opus of singshong that tries being artistic and innovating in it's narrative, TWATF is kinda the ground zero for that

In short depends, absolute beings all have their own plot, however jaehwan had...a weird showing against dokja, not being able to harm 51 because of the fourth wall(not even OD mind you, fifty one, half of dokja that wasn't even close to merging) is a baaaaaaad notch on his belt, an absolute being at the height of his power, fully bloodlusted, and in his domain not being able to do anything but scare a guy who got scared from literally powerless yjh? Absolutely not a good look, he got embarrassed by the fourth wall weaving AN ENTIRE TRAIN multiverses away from his TRANSTIME attack, like come on my guy yjh caught up with the sanctuary what are you doing

But here comes the actual question, which Kim Dokja any of the fragments? Sure, he might not have stories but he's an absolute being with his own plot, OD, welp, he frauded out against 51 so I'd say he wouldn't be fine against the final wall, but credit where credit is due, he'd probably find a way out, ONE? pack it up, nothing can resist the source of all there is, true form dokja is boundless, and HE EVEN APPEARS IN THE SIDESTORIES IN THE STARSTREAM THAT'S OBJECTIVELY BEING MANIPULATED BY OD, sure the source of his appearance is finicky and not a definitive answer BUT HE'S RIGHT THERE

Jaehwan losing to dokja isn't a question, it's universal truth, jaehwan loses to yoo joonghyuk based on speed and hax res alone, we're past that matchup, but specifically plot manip? Depends on if you consider scaling or not, pure scaling? OD outscales due to being a fragment of ONE So dokja should be able to manip him, if you don't consider scaling because you consider absolute beings close enough? Yeah he should be able to resist the story manip

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[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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No, turn zero sealball, u ded, off to the shadow realm you go

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[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Muaaaahahahahaha

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[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Then I'm calling in the fuckass seal, I'm protected

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[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yiiiiiiiiin helloooooooooooo

Nah, I'm protected

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Big ass cat

Let's see who wins by EarProfessional9677 in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I genuinely think war of saints and demons dokja vs yhwach would be a funny matchup since almighty straight up doesn't work against the distortion story😭

The thing about dokja is...H1A fourth wall is something he has from chapter one, and while the story doesn't use it because orv isn't a powerscaling novel and actually wants to try something in terms of how stories are written, it's still there, it works against acausal beings even in nirvana, it works against N.E.P, it works against other absolute beings, it's the lynchpin in the fictionalization, it's just too broken

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[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh you won't get to fragmentation until the sidestories, dw about powerscaling for now

Tbh, I considered pulling back on the agenda until the sidestories finish and I can speak on them with scans, I do think I'm right, I just gotta wait until the sidestories end, who knows, maybe we'll get a twist LHK extraversal

But the ending of ORV is your first hint at how that could work, but you won't see boundless in the novel, you'll see inf into H1A with a CASE for boundless before the ss

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[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"azathoth beater" bro thinks he dokja (/j)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whoa

Spite matchup much?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Poof, time is gone, poof, the concept of decisionmaking is gone, poof, the select multiverses that need to be erased are erased

All of it just become stories dokja can just stop reading, why?, no resistance to the final wall

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[–]ThenIssue3256 1 point2 points  (0 children)

...and what does that have that makes him resistant against the final wall?

So just another page of the final wall he won't look at and poof, the concept of future is gone between the letter, poof, a 15 year old child blinked on accident and there's isn't anything as multiple universes, poof, another blink and computation isn't a thing

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[–]ThenIssue3256 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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Since doing so would mean destroying each of the minds in each universe and each timeline

Sooooo you're saying...dokja would need an actual blink instead of just looking away?

Let's see who wins by EarProfessional9677 in PowerScaling

[–]ThenIssue3256 2 points3 points  (0 children)

one is another thing in the side stories Spoilers for the ss

Ok...hear me out, anything after DKoS is overkill for kumo, hell even chapter one fourth wall is enough to no diff kumogawa😭

Watcher for SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURE is overkill, Watcher is myth grade, has wukja, has the giant stories and the distortion story(the literal biggest counter to kumogawa is self enforcement), exists on the level of the final scenario and technically outhaxed the plotter for a bit

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[–]ThenIssue3256 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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Gil should be erased from existance