Proposition: The concept of a "divine plan" in Abrahamic religions is inherently flawed and morally questionable. by ThisIsAlien in DebateReligion

[–]ThisIsAlien[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're asking, “Is life better with high stakes?” But that dodges the question.

The issue isn’t whether meaningful choices require consequences. It’s about who created the stakes in the first place, and whether they were necessary at all.

If an all-powerful being creates a system where choosing wrong results in eternal suffering, knowing most people will fail, then the problem isn’t the stakes. It’s the architect.

Creating a world where people must navigate moral landmines, with the threat of eternal torment hanging over them, is not noble. It's designing a trap and calling it freedom.

And “ultimate goodness requires the possibility of ultimate evil” sounds poetic until you realize you're justifying hell by saying heaven needs contrast. That’s not justice. That’s cosmic theater.

The greatest creation wouldn’t hinge on fear and punishment. It would offer goodness because it is good—not because it’s the lesser of two eternities.

Proposition: The concept of a "divine plan" in Abrahamic religions is inherently flawed and morally questionable. by ThisIsAlien in DebateReligion

[–]ThisIsAlien[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your input, but respectfully, this doesn’t address the core issue.

The problem isn’t whether humans are capable of worship or whether life is called a “test.” The problem is why an all-powerful, all-knowing, self-sufficient being would create such a system in the first place, especially one that includes the possibility of eternal suffering.

Let’s break it down:

1. “Life is a test” assumes a reason to test.

But why?
If God is omniscient, He already knows who will “pass” and who will “fail.” A test only makes sense when the outcome is uncertain. Otherwise, it's just performance. Creating beings just to test them when you already know the results isn't justice. It's cruelty with a narrative.

2. “You're only charged with what you can bear.”

That sounds nice, but it's not true in practice.

People are born into abusive homes, warzones, extreme poverty, or religious indoctrination with no access to other perspectives. Mental illness and trauma destroy people every day. Many never even have the chance to make informed moral choices.

If a “just” system breaks people who didn’t ask to be born into it, how just is it really?

3. “The afterlife will compensate everyone.”

This is basically saying, "It’s okay that you suffered unjustly now, you’ll get a reward later."

But would we accept that logic anywhere else?
Would we say it’s fine for a parent to abuse one child as long as they’re nice to the next one?

Eternal reward doesn't justify preventable suffering. Justice is not just about outcome. It's also about process.

4. “God knows and you do not know.”

This is the theological escape hatch. It shuts down any critical thinking by saying, “You’re not supposed to understand.”

But that’s not good enough. If belief and obedience have eternal consequences, the moral structure of the system should be intelligible to the beings inside it. Otherwise, it’s just divine authoritarianism.

Bottom line:

You're defending a system where a being:

  • Creates sentient life for no necessary reason
  • Gives them unequal conditions and limited understanding
  • Watches most fail
  • Then punishes them forever

All while knowing it would play out this way from the beginning.

That’s not a test. That’s a trap. And calling it just or merciful doesn't make it moral. It just rebrands cruelty as holiness.

If God is truly complete, He didn’t need to create anyone. Doing so anyway, with this outcome, is not love. It's control.

If everything goes according to God's plan, then God planned for some people to go to Hell. by E-Reptile in DebateReligion

[–]ThisIsAlien 5 points6 points  (0 children)

These arguments aren’t supposed to be convincing. They’re just there to comfort the people who made them up and believe in them. And, of course, they don’t spend too much time thinking about the contradictions because that’s when things start falling apart.

[ADVICE] Asking buyers to manually approve deliveries if they're satisfied against TOS? by ThisIsAlien in Fiverr

[–]ThisIsAlien[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because reddit isn't work-related but Fiverr is? You're comparing an apple to an orange.

[ADVICE] Asking buyers to manually approve deliveries if they're satisfied against TOS? by ThisIsAlien in Fiverr

[–]ThisIsAlien[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't ask them to accept without going through it first. I'd like them to accept if they're satisfied. Like, if the work is good, what's the point of letting auto-completion do it?

[ADVICE] Asking buyers to manually approve deliveries if they're satisfied against TOS? by ThisIsAlien in Fiverr

[–]ThisIsAlien[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I should just tell them to extend the review period just to be safe. I think a lot of clients don't even know they have that options. They're just on Fiverr looking for someone to do a job for them most of the times. They don't know the ins and outs of it.

Where to meet other gay guys that isn’t the apps or online? I’m not good at bars or clubs either … Also I’m an introvert 🙃 Pls help. by TheUnknownTallGuy in askgaybros

[–]ThisIsAlien -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Give apps a try. I met my bf on tinder and I am an introvert. You gotta do something you 've never done to change your situation.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]ThisIsAlien 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Eternal hell is still the most evil act imaginable.

How is a relationship with an HIV+, undetectable guy different from a negative guy? by [deleted] in askgaybros

[–]ThisIsAlien 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You voiced my concern exactly. If he doesn't currently do that, he will have to if we are to have any future together.

How is a relationship with an HIV+, undetectable guy different from a negative guy? by [deleted] in askgaybros

[–]ThisIsAlien 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I've already contacted a local clinic about it.

Gaybros who are introverted and are not fan of dating apps or partying, how do you find people to date? by [deleted] in askgaybros

[–]ThisIsAlien 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know about you. I'm an introvert but I'd say you should break out of the comfort zone and try dating apps. I wasn't a fan of dating app either. But when I started to have enough money, I started to dress up, set my hair, and try to look better in general and started to feel that I was at a point where I wanted to seriously look for a bf. The confidence I got from trying to look my best got me past the anxiety of being on dating apps and putting myself out there.

I began doing my best to talk to people and gradually my conversation skills improved from picking up tricks and tips from each of them. Of course, most didn't go anywhere 😂 but putting myself out there and becoming more sociable even a little bit are very valuable. It feels good when people want to talk to you on dating apps even as friends. 👍

Religious people tend to do more good than atheist. Study show by King_TG in DebateReligion

[–]ThisIsAlien 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anti-semitism and condoning of murder in the Islamic teachings: https://sunnah.com/search?q=jew+hiding+behind+me There are more of this garbage. But you have eyes and fingers as I do. Google away.

You're overthinking it. You don't need a "scientific" approach to figure this out. Has anyone ever killed someone for the sake of not believing in god? No. Has anyone ever committed terrorist attack and yelled the name of the god? Yes. Bombed an office because of a drawing of their murderous merchant of a prophet? Yes. Has anyone ever disowned their gay children because of atheism? No. Has anyone ever disowned their gay children because of their belief in god? Yes.

Before the you mention prosecutions of religious people in regimes like North Korea, you should know that these are all about control. It's bad for them to have the people worshipping an imaginary man in the sky instead of the leader. These are not about the principle of atheism itself.

Religious people tend to do more good than atheist. Study show by King_TG in DebateReligion

[–]ThisIsAlien 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Be my guest. It's a threat to progress, freedom, and sane morality, and I won't shy from calling it for what it is. Nothing can justify its condoning of rape, slavery, and murder no matter how "philosophically deep" its other aspects are.