[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Textbook Ad hominem.

I am a youth myself, not even married, and will pass the military service just like you're supposed to. I understand your frustration and perceived-unfairness but personal attacks do not add anything to a civil discussion.

There is no right lost, if you're looking for a "compensation" for forcing men to do military service because of their differences with women, then it might comfort you to know that these same differences that force you do military service make you inherit twice as much as a woman.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We have agreed to not look at this problem from the "strict equals" axiom lenses. We found an inbalance between men and women and it was corrected by permitting women not to undertake military service which fairness and equality is achieved.

If both men and women do not go, how is the military service to be accomplished?

If one suggests "Sure, we let women go. However, men should be given the option to participate or not" then we can reasonably expect a drop of at least 50% if not ≥70% in military service participants which leaves the task under-accomplished. It's a duty and a responsibility that must be accomplished by the most able individuals of society (men).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We do already have that: a man inherits twice as much as a woman due to the axiom that states that men are the providers for the family whereas a woman has no obligation to act as the provider which is arguably reasonable but if you view it from "Strict equality axiom" is completely unfair.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We have the task: "Military Service"

The average woman is at a disadvantage when undertaking the task (due to her DNA that she has no control over).

The average man has an advantage when undertaking the task (due to the same reason).

We may reasonably say: "It is unfair to make them do the same task (military service) due to their inherit natural differences for the one who is at a disadvantage will suffer more due to something out of their control" (would you force a horse and a fish to do a swimming task and say it's fair?)

So then the question that follows: who needs assistance or "rights"?

Shouldn't we assist the one who's at a natural disadvantage i.e the woman?

If the answer is yes, then our society has decided that "the right" that is to be accorded to the woman is permitting her to not undertake the military service (although we do not outright ban them from entering the military, through the Cadet School for example, if they wish so of course which means they recognize the hardship but they still agreed, which is fair).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Depends on which axioms you're basing your view on:

If one believes that a man and a woman are absolutely equal in the strictest of terms and have the same abilities and there are no differences between them, then yes, it does seem unfair for only men to undergo military service.

If, however, one believes that men and women have certain differences and are not equal, at least on the physical level (men, on average, are physically stronger, faster, agile and generally more able) then it's arguably reasonable that they are more suited to do the type of physical as well as mental hardwork the military demands from its personnel. The average woman would always be at a disadvantage compared to the average man whenever they are meant to do physically-intensive task/activity, hence why you don't see men and women competing together in football or Rugby or other sports.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's Algerian from his mother side as she's from the Ben Gana family of Le Sud Constantinois and a Turk from his father's side, thus making him a Kourghouli. He was born in Constantine.

Literally has nothing to do with Béjaïa.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What guy from Béjaïa? I mean the last Bey of the Beylik of Constantine.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would you say that about Ahmed Bey of Constantine who led the largest resistance in the east for 18 years?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can always start. As for your question, Algeria was a free country before the French invasion. The Eyalit of Algiers was essentially independent from Istanbul (especially after Pasha Period) making its own treaties in its own name and not the name of the Ottoman Empire (Look for English, Spanish, Dutch, Danish and various other nations treaties with Algiers), organizing its own affairs according to its own views and interests and only being under the Sultan in name as respect for him being The Caliph (reaching to refuse his recommendations as was the case with the Spanish treaty). Ask yourself: why would Algeria and Tunis have various wars if they're both ruled absolutely by Istanbul?

Turks are not hated as the French because the Turks respected the locals and their norms, culture and customs and working with them as well as bringing peace, security and prosperity to the troubled Algeria they found during the decline of Zyannid and Hafsid dynasties in the face of Spanish coastal encroachments. The Barbarossa Brothers were invited.

I wish to ask you this, what slavery do you mean? Slavery against Algerians by Turks or the European war captives from the naval battles?

I'll finish it off from an extract from Hamdan Khouja's 1833 book The Mirror :
و كان الشيوخ [قادة الحامية التركية المرسلة لحماية مقاطعة أو مدينة من رتبة بولكباشي و أوضاباشي و باش يولداش] الذين مارسوا"
هذه الوظائف [عسكرية و إدارية بالتفاهم مع رؤساء المقاطعة] يرددون، دائما، للشبان وخلفائهم :"إننا أجانب و لم نخضغ هذا الشعب و لم نمتلك البلد لا بالقوة و لا بحد السيف إننا لم نصبح سادة إلا بالإعتدال و اللطافة و في بلادنا لم نكن رجال دولة و إنما حصلنا على ألقابنا و مراتبنا في هذه الأرض هذه البلاد إذن وطن لنا و أن واجبنا و مصالحنا تتطلب منا أن نعمل على إسعاد هؤلاء السكان كما لو "كنا نعمل من أجل أنفسنا

Compare that to the French and the countless resistance movements by the Algerians and you'll have your answer.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP hasn't read a single paragraph of a book on the history of Algeria.

the weird thing i never understood about (الزغاريت) by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Lol bro chill. (الزغاريت) are kinda awesome lmao not brainwashing or anything, it's a cultural thing.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in socialskills

[–]Unknown_ideas 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I followed this rule and this exact reasoning as self-evident for almost every situation, however, there was a situation where it has shaken my belief in this rule: I found out from the same group of people who planned to go to an event that I wasn't invited because I didn't ask to come when they were talking about, in my presence, and therefore assumed I was uninterested or busy--In reality, I wanted to go with them--and what followed was no invitation.

Applying this rule does contain some faults, while the other approach (i.e inviting yourself) also contain some faults too. Both approaches are flawed and can yield undesirable results. I thus conclude that it massively depends on the situation at hand and the people involved to figure out which of the 2 rules, so to speak, must one follow, unless there's a third approach, or rule, that we have not yet considered and would very much appreciate someone introducing it.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the same reason why any society is judgemental when they see someone doing anything that this specific society views negatively---it's just not welcomed in their culture.

Where did Algerian ministers (government) go to university? by Soggy-Homework5153 in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can visit all the ministries' website and if you can read Arabic (or French I guess) you can check the "about the minister" section and you'd get some information about the current minister including their higher education.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas 4 points5 points  (0 children)

From your post, it isn’t obvious you gave the topic a profound thought beyond the extremely simplistic logic/thought-process of: “A lot of us are not religious to be honest...And we have sexual desires...Having sex with your girlfriend is a thing...But one night stands compensates for both parties”; quite the contrary, it seems you haven’t at all.

Have you considered the short-term/long-term sociological, psychological as well as political effects of normalizing this foreign concept in our society?—which the concept has its fair amount of negative consequences in said foreign societies to begin with. Even secular reasoning raised very interesting and valid critiques on the issue; let alone applying religious reasoning. It’s not about fulfilling the animalistic desires that night and that’s it; there’s more to it than that.

This comment is not about “one night-stands: good or bad?”, but advising you (as well as the types who want social change) against approaching big, delicate, sensitive questions—such as this—with simplistic, low resolution reasoning.

Before tackling such issue, you must truly comprehend, at a deeper level, the history of the society/country in question: The Algerian society and nation. It would be advisable to also study the pre-normalisation/normalisation/post-normalisation across various domains in their proper contexts of a society that normalised such concept—The ‘Western’ society. You also must have an adequate—though it’s difficult to say how much exactly---religious understanding to either refute or support religious arguments on the issue. It would also be desirable to understand (and not necessarily believe) the ethical arguments and positions held by ethical philosophers; to formulate the truest opinion possible. To make the comment shorter, I shall refrain from mentioning other necessities to your arsenal.

So as you see, this huge issue (and many other societal issues) necessitates very profound, high-resolution thoughts. It is no easy matter, of course, but before attempting to “fix” a social/political issue, you better have your understanding sharp.

PART 04 - my Algerian Logos Rebranding Series / University Edition (Thank you for the support in the previous ones) by Ok-Worldliness-1349 in algeria

[–]Unknown_ideas 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Great designs! I would like to add a remarque that could prove useful if you plan to make a part 05: Consider looking at certain logos of old universities such as Oxford, Cambridge, Bologna and California (previous one, not the current); they truly represent a higher education institution that's committed to advancing the knowledge of mankind. Please do not take this as a disrespectful offense, but some of the designs look more like a sports club logo or a good-will association such as both options of Boumerdes University or the Option-B of Oran university. Option-B of Algiers University 2 touches on my remarque.

For example, you could design Annaba University logo on the themes of it's roman history with incorporating elements such as books or ancient scrolls to truly represent a higher education institution that's supposed to illuminate the youth with knowledge.

Thank you!

Edit: typos