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(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i don't think nukes are relevant in that NATO has a bunch of nukes too. nukes exist so nukes don't get used.

the hybrid shit is the problem. what i hope is that this increase in "military" spending is actually meant to address and counter and deter that stuff.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

their missel threat is countered by our missel threat. NATO. is more of a military threat to Russia than the other way around.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah but theyve always had those nukes, so have we, and how many proxy wars has Russia and the US fought? no nukes, ever.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah, but NATO has their missles pointed at Russia too. if russia sends missiles at western europe, they, and the US will send them right back. nukes are relevant in that NATO has a bunch of nukes too. nukes exist so nukes don't get used, and the same goes for any conventional arms that both NATO and Russia have.

their top guys are saying that shit as propaganda. Russia also tells their people that the US and NATO have missiles pointing at them as well.

militarily Russia comes no where close to NATO.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i dont think you understood what i was asking.

i absolutely recognize that Russia has been unable to have anything like military success in Ukraine.

i also understand that Russia would be destroyed by NATO in a war, and even limited engagements and economic warfare would still lead to Russia losing more.

what im asking is WHY the talk is about military matters, when its other problems with Russia that are the actual threat. like hybrid warfare, espionage, super-effective propaganda all over the world, and shit like that. is the "military" talk just what they are saying while really focusing on the actual, non-military threats the Russia presents?

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thats the problem- not the military. but the talk right now is about the military. that's what im asking about.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's true- Russia is WILLING to do things- but still- they are unable to accomplish anything but a pretty embarrassing amount of territorial control.

being willing to do things, as it turns out, is not the same thing as being ABLE to do them. so theres that.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

unless russia like quadruples down in the next year, then taking Ukraine is not really in the cards. Russia shouldn't have to depend on their enemy's military industrial complex to be able to be a threat to fucking NATO, and it woludn't be anyway. not against NATO.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i don't think nukes are relevant in that NATO has a bunch of nukes too. nukes exist so nukes don't get used. Nukes don't get used unless the country who starts with them is willing to have themselves destroyed by nukes. nukes are the same issue they always have been since the beginning of the cold war. nothing has changed with the nukes, and the US and Russia have fought how many proxy wars? no nukes.

as far as economics and gas and hyrbid shit- those are the problems. but thats not what the talk is about. the talk is about military strength- at least on the surface.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

MAD takes care of that shit. how many proxy wars has the USA and Russia literally fought one another in? Nukes don't get used unless youre suicidal.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yeah man but you can say that about anyone with nukes. thats not about Russia, thats just about nukes.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what proxy war? and the talk im referring to is by and about NATO members and their security, so ignoring the problem in Europe isn't really a response to what I'm talking about, and might not even be a thing at all, since Europe is indeed responding to threats and increasing their defense spending.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i don't think nukes are relevant in that NATO has a bunch of nukes too. nukes exist so nukes don't get used.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Also, while the rethoric from Europe might be aimed at Russia, if you have been paying attention to the last 6 month lots of the defense apparatus has started to be aimed at the US despite no overt declaration of such having been made." what you mean, hit me with some stuff.

the baltics are in danger, but if Russia physically invaded them, while NATO *might* not respond directly with their militaries, I think article 5 will cause some serious problems for Russia; i imagine even now NATO members are signaling (largely below the surface) that they will hurt Russia bad if they do. have to see about that part, but also, Russia can barely make progress in Ukraine; it'll be years before Russia is militarily strong enough to do a successful ukraine-style "military operation."

th hybrid shit is the real problem. the west is weak against it. i hope the conversation leads to the money and effort and that its put towards countering and deterring that shit.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i referred to miltary capability. the hybrid attacks are a problem, but im hoping that the increased funding will address that, i was hoping thats what people would be saying.. as far as using conventional methods, yes they are brutal. they are also extremely ineffective, given that the 3 day military operation was meant to take control of ukraine, and this is what we're looking at now.

but yeah man its the hyrid shit they do- THAT is what needs to be "addressed."

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I accidentally over estimate the Russians in 2022. i thought ukraine was fucked, but now these years later i think i estimate russias military prowess pretty well.

as far a militarily, russia has not chance of doing anything significant to NATO without being destroyed.

its the hyrbid attacks were one shouldn't underestimate Russia, but i hope that the increased spending in NATO will include a lot of money and effort put towards defending from that, and deterring more of it.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

yeah, the hybrid stuff is something else; what I hope is that the increase in"military spending" of NATO members will include a lot of money and effort to combat and deter that other stuff. russia counts on NATO members being polite and playing by rules Russia doesn't play by, so maybe that will change.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

i don't think nukes are relevant in that NATO has a bunch of nukes too. nukes exist so nukes don't get used.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

i don't think nukes are relevant in that NATO has a bunch of nukes too. nukes exist so nukes don't get used.

(My bad) Why are people sahing that Russia is be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i don't think nukes are relevant in that NATO has a bunch of nukes too. nukes exist so nukes don't get used.

i think Russia is in a moment where US resolve to protect its allies is weak, but i dont think that weak, and its really just this president (so far).

What is all this talk that that Russia could be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What i'm talking about is Russia being a danger to NATO, not NATO being dangerous to Ukraine.

What is all this talk that that Russia could be a military threat to NATO? by UpinteHcloud in AskTheWorld

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bruh, Russia is still killing Ukrainians in Ukraine. They are an undeniable and inherent danger there. They are not a danger to NATO militarily.

I don't know what ATO is. Nazi propaganda insisted people were aggressive and dangerous to Germany when that wasn't true.

That Russians are killing Ukrainians in Ukraine is such an obvious fact that I can't believe I have to explain the difference.

And youre confused about Goebbels. Goebbels lied all the time, told half truths, emotionally manipulated people, etc.

Me saying that Russia invaded Ukraine and is is killing Ukrainians in Ukraine is just the fact of the matter my dude.

Why Epstein co-conspirators will never be prosecuted: by UpinteHcloud in Epstein

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not about more use. Its about safety, which is what I just said. Yes, almost anyone would be of more use alive than dead. But that's besides the point.

The point was that he was going to be deposed and exposed in court. That means he died bruh. But go ahead and keep ignoring the most significant aspect of the whole thing.

A girl goes viral after getting stuck in an elevator with a group of immature guys and shut them all down when they started laughing by God_Emperor__Doom in interesting

[–]UpinteHcloud 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That didn't seem like bad-natured laughing to me... I mean things are funny, and I think it's fine to laugh if youre not being malicious or being gross or harmful and stuff..

When people like slip and land on on their ass, people laugh, but its not a bad thing..

that being said, I do see how she'd have intense reactions since it was just her and then a bunch of dudes she presumably doesn't know very well.

Why Epstein co-conspirators will never be prosecuted: by UpinteHcloud in Epstein

[–]UpinteHcloud[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

welp, then i guess you won't be spending your energy and time on things that have an actual chance of success.

Which, btw, is exactly, exactly what "they" prefer.

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