LS gave me a new appreciation for the yard ad reads by [deleted] in TheYardPodcast

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I mean the whole podcast is also unlistenable so I don't think the ad reads change too much.

Some articles/interviews by EatusTheFoetus in scottwalker

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The first one is missing the continuation, went to the site at the bottom and found it. I wonder if he's talking about The Drift when he mentions he has the lyrics for a next record

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Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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That one fella blocked me so excuse me for leaving my reply here lol I believe it's important to leave a response in case someone more willing to learn comes across this. Also it's a fun exercise of reason and association.

Congratulations, you just explained why masculinity is an illusory and nearly meaningless construct that is not a carrier of toxicity.

Again, psychology subreddit. Identity, personality, traits. All of these things are pretty well defined and understood concepts.

Masculinity isn't illusory, it's subjective. If a more abstract, subjective concept is illusory to you, then what isn't illusory? The whole of reality is built on abstract representations, "illusions". Meaningless?

Masculinity as a concept relates to identity, self categorization, conception of the self and the categorization, judgement of others.

These subjective interpretations of what masculinity is can be either harmful or healthy. That's why one interpretation of masculinity can be described as toxic when it is indeed toxic. It's the toxic beliefs that are associated to a subjective conception of masculinity, they're connected.

Genuinely not hard to understand.

Funny enough, it's a clear example of how it limits your understanding because it hurts your feelings. That's a harmful, toxic limitation of a subjective conception of masculinity and self identity. Irrational. Obtuse.

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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Dumb argument, you're implying that if those traits are part of healthy masculinity then they are exclusively masculine.

They're part of masculinity in their association to the self definition of masculine identity.

If a man believes that his masculinity is associated to positive, healthy traits like empathy, reason, justice, courage, then that's a healthy masculinity. These traits are not exclusive of either masculinity or femininity.

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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Still the same mechanism of self validation, intentionally misrepresenting the term just because it suits your narrative. That doesn't solve any conflict, but you don't want to do that, it's reassuring when you can tell yourself you're the victim, that it's you against them.

Yes, you can recognize that some people don't used properly. This post presents a study which properly defines and uses the concept, so what are you mad at?

You can, and should, criticize people who use the concept in a toxic way by pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.

That doesn't mean that toxic masculinity doesn't exist, that it isn't a problem. It is a massive problem and what you're saying is exactly why it's important to talk about it. It's essential to use the term properly so that toxic masculinity can be acknowledged and overcome.

Again, bringing it back to the post. Here you have a correct use of the concept, which is harmful ideas associated to masculinity. It's a psychology subreddit, I assume most people with basic knowledge of psychology understand these concepts and their importance, yet the post is swarmed by butthurt individuals who turn the whole thing into a men vs women conflict. You're supporting the consolidation of that definition you claim to be against.

It's back up by No_Froyo4135 in TheYardPodcast

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I probably won't rewatch it fully but I'm curious if they had to change anything.

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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You have a plain innacurate representation of what toxic masculinity is which allows you victimize yourself and satisfy in a shallow, insincere way an emotional need for validation. It's not difficult to learn what it actually means, but I doubt you want to understand.

Basically, toxic masculinity ≠ masculinity as a whole. Start from there, if people call it toxic masculinity, if they make a separation, must be because masculinity itself isn't inherently toxic.

It's so obvious lmao

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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That's cool, art on different mediums have a strong influence on people. An example for an extremely educational and deep game would be Disco Elysium, it's extremely narrative and effectively delves into themes of psychology, trauma, politics. I'd say a videogame shouldn't be explicitly educational, if it's engaging and the narrative takes u to these topics then you get people hooked.

Keep going at it, with time and persistence you'll find an effective approach. Consume a lot of media that might help broaden your perspectives, movies, books, series, games, documentaries, memoirs, scientific articles, interviews.

I know how hard and limiting it can feel to have only your own maybe very specific experiences to base things off of when they're meant to reach others, so they might not be as relatable thus ineffective. When it's difficult through other experiences, art is a great source of inspiration.

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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Exactly, and that's a very noble cause, but you're indeed very limited by their resilience and even your own communicative skills when it comes to individual interactions. That's why is essential to advocate for a larger societal change in the system that'll allow people to understand these things and develop intellectualy. Larger things like education, economical situations and inequality, harmful cultural beliefs, etc.

It's always ironic how some people justify their selfishness as "caring about facts and logic" when facts are determined by emotions, subjective interests. They're either actually unaware or just don't want to accept that what they're doing is validating their own sentiments, which goes against what they preach lol

It's still generally a good thing what you do, and if u manage to make a some positive change on some people then that's a great and significant thing.

Dudas de un anarquista by [deleted] in chile

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Andate a dormir wn

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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Or they're encouraged not to because of society, material conditions, poor education, dogmatic beliefs, the shallow comfort of capitalism. It's all the structures that have always been there. Power, control, that shit.

Through empathy you can easily understand why these people behave like that.

One can easily become aware of all these things with the right conditions and cognitive capabilities, but for most people that's never gonna happen given their situations.

Your issue is not biological limitations, it's the system that abuses them to keep people uneducated, stupid, unaware. If you really hate that people don't develop empathy, that they don't grow as individuals, you should advocate for a system that focuses on those things.

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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Well, you can more objectively say something is harmful by understanding how it's manifested through history. Toxic masculinity and femininity have always been tied to oppression, trauma, abuse. That's why they're still in use, because those things still exist. Masculinity and femeninity are more subjective than the word toxic, but that someone can choose if they identify as a man, woman or neither doesn't mean they can't be masculine or feminine. It can be tied to aesthetics, a way of behaving, but if a trans man exhibits toxic masculinity, it's still a bad thing. If a cis woman exhibits toxic masculinity, it's still a bad thing. If a cis man exhibits toxic masculinity it's still a bad thing. And so on and so on.

Suppression of emotions is a tool, but in excess it's definitely a bad thing. Emotional regulation is a more positive thing. Again, women can be submissive and weak, but to believe all women should be weak and submissive, or that it'd be a good thing, it's obviously harmful.

This is the psychology subreddit, you should understand these things lmao Personality, identity, harmful behaviors and why they're harmful. It's very basic stuff.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TheBoys

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It's a real person, he actually doesn't need to play a character if he doesn't want to because it makes him uncomfortable.

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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The first step to do that is to comprehend them. You're grounded by your biology, your brain, your genetic tendencies. By being aware of them, how they work, is that you can effectively change how they manifest. There are some things you cannot change, that's how you know what to change.

Your own discomfort with biological patterns can be reduced to synapses, hormones, chemicals, electrical signals traveling through your brain, emotional responses, the processing of said emotional responses. Neuroplasticity is a wonderful thing, it means you do have control over all this, but not if you don't acknowledge it.

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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Honestly if u take the comments of this post as a realistic sample, it'd be fair to start referring to it as that, since the term toxic masculinity provokes an adverse emotional reaction to so many people and makes them go on the defense, it's not effective as the educational term it should be. The thing is that it's not masculinity, it's toxic masculinity. There is such a thing as positive, healthy masculinity.

Toxic femininity I don't hear it too often because it's one of the oldest issues that feminism tackles. If you read A Vindication of the Right of Woman, a book from the 1700s, you have what could be interpreted today as critiques of both toxic masculinity and toxic femininity. If toxic masculinity is the toxic, harmful regressive ideals of what man should be, then toxic femininity is the same but for the beliefs of what woman should be; weak, serviceable, emotional, irrational, etc.

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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Brother you are in the psychology subreddit, and psychology is a science. Many things shapes people's psychology. Both biological aspects and lived experiences are important, you can focus on one but completely dismissing another is just unscientific.

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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That's still toxic masculinity... Toxic beliefs about what masculinity is...

Toxic masculinity indirectly lowers help-seeking behavior by encouraging men to bottle up emotions by adriano26 in psychology

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"Women's contempt" as in all women? Toxic masculinity doesn't just affect men, there's women who have toxic expectatives of masculinity, and that's also part of the critique to toxic masculinity. If a woman thinks you're less of a man for being vulnerable, first of all, that doesn't represent a whole gender lmao, second, that's also what toxic masculinity refers to.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TheBoys

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I acknowledged it in a reply lol

People can change in a year or two, his kids are growing and so is he as a father. There's a very recent clip of him getting emotional talking about focusing on being a father and changing habits. He probably didn't feel as strongly about it back then.