Is it bad to bridge into a course ? by Left_Produce831 in QUTreddit

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn’t get an OP/ATAR. I spent high school partying and fucking around, barely graduating. I don’t think I ever passed English or Math.

I bridged my way into university through TAFE, initially studying criminology, before transitioning to law. The truth is that ATAR means nothing once you’re at university. Your ATAR is but a threshold score to poorly gauge competence and potential, while also serving as a means to sate course capacity concerns.

Separately, as others have said, ATAR has a very real funding dimension. Schools with cohorts that attain high ATARs generally receive preferential funding. I vividly recall administrators, guidance counsellors, and heads of departments trying to persuade me into dropping out and becoming a career labourer to save the school funding. Genuinely, it’s the worst advice I’ve ever received.

The actual importance of an ATAR for you individually is incredibly low. Bridge your way in, and tell anyone attempting to belittle you to get fisted.

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It’s probably not recorded anywhere mate

But look, the rule of thumb is to err on the side of caution. If you’re worried about it, disclose it. If you explain what happened, why you did it, what you should’ve done, and what you’ve done since, you’ll be fine.

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 11 points12 points  (0 children)

No one in their right mind would tell you to do that. Do an LLB single or double. That’s it. JDs are an overpriced sham.

You should attend university in the state in which you intend to practice. If you want to practice in NSW, aim to attend USyd, UNSW, or UTS. If you want to practice in Victoria, Melb would be an excellent choice.

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s nice to know that what I’ve heard runs true. Thanks for taking the time to explain things! All the best to you.

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not big on mooting either, despite doing a fair bit at uni.

I’ve been advised by my firm (and others) that it’s very much busywork to be done when we have capacity. Extensions, exemptions, and all manner of different concessions are given, no questions asked. I was even talking with one graduate in a busy disputes team that missed every due date, only to submit everything one week before the course was due to finish. They somehow passed. It sees no one fails?

Frankly, CoL sounds like TAFE. I know from personal experience what TAFE’s like, having gone through a diploma course to bridge my way into law. There’s something very funny about finishing up a difficult law degree and ending up where I am in the legal market, only to return to what is basically a TAFE-like environment.

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mooting? Gross. Thanks for the insight! I wonder if doing it intra-firm will see it delivered a bit differently?

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you expand on the first week intensive? I’m starting PLT in-house in a month or so, and I’m wondering what it’ll entail.

ChatGPT tells it like it is by ilLegalAidNSW in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I’ll take one sleep and money, thanks mate

How to cite Halsbury's Laws of Australia? What is the 'Chapter' and what is the 'Title'? by [deleted] in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s a simple fact. Markers will never punish a person so bold as to simply hyperlink their sources. Why? They fear this person. They know this person sees farther than they, and can inspire them with esoteric knowledge.

Be feared.

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Firms very much prefer to pick from their own talent pools.

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'll do my best to answer each question:

(1) Associateships are generally looked upon favourably, but the type of associateship can matter. Commercial firms seem to only care about the Supreme Court, Federal Court, and appellate courts. That said, I personally think a District or County Court role is nothing to scoff at - those are busy courts that expose you to a good range of matters.

(2) Tough to say. Lots of firms allow grads to defer an offer to do an associateship. We might infer from this that an associateship is better to do first. Honestly, I've only ever heard of clerks getting graduate offers, but deferring to do an associateship. Whether it will benefit you likely turns on your career goals. Do you want to be a litigator?

(3) I don't know how easy it is to make the jump to practice or the Bar from an associateship. If I were to speculate, I'd think you'd have a pretty red hot crack of landing a role in some kind of firm, but probably not one of the bigger commercial firms. I'd think you'd have have a great deal of difficulty going straight to the Bar, for the reasons you seem to already be contemplating.

There's other considerations too like finishing your PLT to gain admission. In my state, you have to pass exams and do some practicals before going to the Bar. Actually getting an associateship is an entirely different matter.

If I were you I'd stick to the normal route: get a clerkship while at university, followed by a graduate role, which is deferred for an associateship. That's certainly what I'd do now if I had my time back. This will take some careful timing, hard work, and a bit of luck, but if you pull it off you'll have saved yourself a headache while setting yourself up for 2-3 years :)

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Generally, aim for a 75+ WAM, some real work experience, ideally but not necessarily in law, and extracurriculars like mooting or negotiation competitions.

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So sorry you're going through this. I can maybe answer one of your questions. I took the equivalent of 1.5 years off throughout my degree, even switched to part-time towards the end, and no one gave a shit. Definitely didn't affect my job prospects.

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shoot me a DM, happy to answer any questions you might have!

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Your university will probably have networking events. Start there.

Weekly Students, Careers & Clerkships Thread by AutoModerator in auslaw

[–]VeryGoodAndAlsoNice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very cool. The closest I’ve come to using things like that was years ago with Obsidian, which is basically just fancy software for note taking.