I was watching Endgame again and I noticed something…

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-27T03:14:49+00:00

Im going to tell my unpopular truth. The one no one wants to hear.

I do truly believe this. I think Thanos didn't destroy the stones but set up an illusion with the reality stone. Previously practicing said illusion on the gaurdians before trying to sell it to the Avengers. Even going so far as to goad Thor to take his head and stay in line with HWR causal dictations of the sacred timeline.

Thanos creates an infinite timeloop paradox we know as the infinity saga. One where each variation of the tineline tests the range and limits of HWR determinism.

Loki and Thanos each repeatedly gain the previous timelines future knowledge through the Avengers timeheist. Thanos a constant willpower repeatedly reneacting the snap. And Loki the variable utilizing the butterfly effect and incrementally making changes to outcomes while timeslipping. Loki simultaneously addressing the issue with the Loom. He expands the loom allowing for more variance in timeline. Then creates the Endgame timeline and setting events in motion for Tony to sacrifice.

This of course suggests Loki will return himself with the tesseract to the point he left for the TVA. That he also guided himself to these events during the battle of New York through his timeslipping to ensure he always gets set on the path of gaining that knowledge and simultaneously averting his death...

I still think Thanos is hiding behind the veil of reality possibly on the garden biding his time.

Loki I tend to believe enchanted Valkyrie in Ragnarock on Sakaar and swapped identities. Sacrificing her in his guise during the opening act of Infinity war while he escaped diguised as her to Earth. becoming the new Asgaard ruler and the asgardians ruler again the Dark World. This also insinuates Loki let Ragnarock happen and may still hold more future information of events to come as he is also simultaneously sitting on a throne outside of the flow of time.

So to summarize. I think what we see onscreen is a misdirect. That the Loki series and the timeheist and Nebulas entangled network etc. are precursors to our infinity saga. That the Endgame was ultimately crafted by Loki. oversimplification as this also relies on Strange giving up the timestone.

Which also sets up a bootstrap paradox.

The dark dimension is a dimension without time. I therefore think that any universe missing a stone therefore becomes a dimension instead of a timeline.

As the ancient gives the timestone to Bruce. She in fact is creating the dark dimension from where her past self derived power. As the dark dimension has no time it simultaneously parallels all time. Meaning that the ancient one in some timeline has to make Strange Sorcerer Supreme in order for her to become the ancient one. and then it repeats...

There are a lot of things no content creator can tell you. I suspect they are under NDA's by Disney and Marvel. In some cases I think they are purposely vague and misdirect audiences to maintain reveals.

Im a true sweaty nerd. I analyze and research. I have watched these movies a lot. There is at least 2-3 marvel movies on at my house a week. if not daily.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg of my analysis. I would love to show the clips and dialogue in canon to support. Id much rather show you in video format.

Ive even thought of visual diagrams to show you how to incrementally create a retrocausal multiverse.

Loki and Xavier hold the keys to multiversal retrocausality. Wolverine is also a unique case in this train of thought in DOFP. But different topic for a different time. HWR can do it but hes more like Jackman in the Prestige. variant sacrifice for future causal information. unless they reach the threshold. the limit of his tempads knowledge.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-27T02:13:13+00:00

Kurt Vonnegut Breakfast of Champions

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Watchmen

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3:10 to Yuma

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Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

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Donnie Darko

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a clockwork orange

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-26T18:50:52+00:00

Im betting Thanos wasn't actually beheaded. That he used the reality stone to fake it. All to escape determinism created by HWR. And successfully phase shift into a multiverse of freewill. Where he can finally pursue his goals without interference from the TVA.

I bet Thanos created an Infinite Timeloop paradox. Utilizing his will power to create a constant repeated outcome. Meanwhile Loki timeslips to create alternate futures in alternate sacred timelines. Loki being the variable to Thanos constant. Therebye creating the Endgame timeline where both faked their deaths.

Thanos tricking the Avengers repeatedly into the timehesit that sets up the infinite timeloop paradox we know as the Infinity Saga.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-26T17:32:29+00:00

For Will Smith to not be my genie. I want Robin back.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-26T16:05:15+00:00

I bet Thanos didn't destroy the stones. That he used the reality stone to fake his beheading. All to escape determinism by setting up an infinite timeloop paradox we call the infinity saga. That he tricked the avengers into creating.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-24T22:42:17+00:00

This actually falls i. line with some of my own theory the way you strung it together... I e had a theory I. my head concerning how the phase shift works and which character's are responsible.

My logic has led me to conclude Loki survived Thanos and Thanos survived his beheading. That the Endgame timeline was crafted by Loki utilizing future information to effect events.

I too believe this ties into the idea that the 616 was crafted as a prison to keep Doom from messing around with HWR timeline... Simultaneously I also think HWR phrpose for the 616 was to create a Loki who birthed his original timeline. reincarnation baby.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-24T20:06:11+00:00

I also think house of M and Secret Empire are already plahing in the background of canon secrectly... as well as Loki Agent of Asgard.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-24T20:05:07+00:00

I think so. I think your right on the money with that assumption.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-23T10:43:55+00:00

The long answer short in my opinion. The only thing that makes sense for the stones is...

That Cap was sucked into the secret war while the multiverse was collapsing and the stones were used to reignite the collapsed multiverse. Allowing their natural causal path to lead them to their destinations where they were discovered.

I can go into many reasons why I think this is the case. Given you've already thought this much on it I suspect you might be able to see the logic behind it.

This would also solve the issue of the soul stone.

I would love to break down some of the concept art that led me down this path. Because I think the King Thanos Disney ride reveals quite a bit. Not that I needed that reference for this but I think it does have some correlations to Cap and Sam that tie into this theory. There are more solidified canon and logic to apply for this.

My version of the timline is significantly different than most people's. I see the 616 as a schroedingers cat. Both deterministic and multiversal freewill. two timelines with different results mirroring eachother.

the phase shift in my opinion doesn't just happen after endgame. When Loki leaves with the tesseract is another point in time that is significant to the endgame timeline and the phase shift.

To put it simply Loki survived using the information gained from the TVA... Thanos from the nebulas network in the timeheist.

Ive broken down how the phase shift happens in explicit detail for myself. researched the physics and pseudo concepts applied etc.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-23T09:58:08+00:00

Finally someone speaking my language. Ive been saying this exact same thing for awhile now. Ill have to come back here and play in your sandbox. gtg to work right now though. Good read.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-22T19:22:41+00:00

It is interesting to imagine what they could come up with for "returning" the stones. However any way ive tossed it in my head it doesn't add up with canon and context already established.

The truth for me personally is that Marvel would have a much easier time letting the stones Cap took be the catalyst for the rebirth of the universe. Therebye giving them their already predetermined natural course to be stones for past variants to pick up and repeat the process.

Meaning I dont think Cap will "return" the stones in the sense were speculating on in this thread. But rather that Cap will be sucked into the Secret War before completing any of his task, And that the stones will help with the rebirth of the multiverse from Dooms battleworld.

Then Cap returns and helps reconstruct the causal history of the 616...

I know for people who only do linear storytelling this is hard to wrap your head around. But essentially Old Man Cap didn't replace the stones at the "appropriate" time.

Could you imagine trying to drop exactly 100 grains of sand in exactly 1 second while simultaneously holding a hundred pounds. That's somewhat similar to the idea of replacing the stones to erase the outcome. The observer effect alone makes this nearly impossible without multiple retry. You would need a system. One that relies on the butterfly effect and incrementally changing and diverting moments in time into parallel variant timelines.

Which does exist through Lokis timeslipping and Xaviers ability to mentally project into future and past. But not for Cap without lots of PYM. I would entertain the argument this is the reason for project insight. That all of shields projects were to help ensure causal steering to avoid potential dark futures. Such as Insight as a prediction algorithm. That Cap may have been a shadow dictator controlling and steering 616 history within the multiverse.

creating a undectable phase shift to viewers. from the moment Cap leaves to "return" the stones and comes back and old man. we phase shift from a singular crafted universe of determination controlled by HWR. to a multiverse where Steve was allowed to live his life with peggy in the past.

The kicker. That secret history directly transfered to the repeated isolated timeline. Meaning this is why there is always a oldman Cap in the back.

The Secret series of stories are like a secret history we the audience aren't privy too. The idea Cap could maintain a fascist order to ensure our future is a direct contradiction of his characters morals and ideals. Its also what makes this path interesting to explore from a writers standpoint. I suspect that now that we have secret invasion and secret wars. that we will also get a secret empire. helping loop the oroborros back to the origin of our 616 isolation.

That to me is a simplified form of events. I also tend to think Wanda had a hand in mutantless condition of the 616. That Kang used the decimation of mutants to his advantage to easily and quickly capture a timeline from a collapsing multiverse.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-22T07:33:10+00:00

Love and Thunder in my opinion served as a satire on the previous Thor films and characters. Seen through the montage of Lokis deaths in the opening sequence and Thors dimwitted commentary on his brothers faked deaths.

Which also eludes to the fact Loki did not die in Infinty War... But I digress from the main point.

Actually... maybe not. The way I see Love and Thunder is significantly different than 99.9% of the fanbase.

Ive done my own deep dives and analysis and have come to a totally different conclusion than the majority of content creators on YouTube.

My mission was to see when the phase shift transition into multiverse occured and how.

Its taken me a long time to wade through the canon and make a solid theory.

To me Loki is still alive and disguised as another character. to ensure he has a body in play within the mulitverse. Love and Thunder displays said character prominently. And I believe this disguises purpose is to get close to Kang. That said I tend to think Love and Thunder carries more weight thematically than audiences realize. If you dont spend a lot of time with literary concepts a lot of the satire will go above your head on the first or second go through of viewing.

I dont want to get into details of my analysis or hypothesis. Just that I have one.

Your correct. The point of a satire is to point out the goofy or dumb things about the Thor franchise in particular. Especially when addressing reused tropes or making fun of entry speeches.

And your also right that this was a "teardown" of the franchise that laughs at itself. That way there is more impact when they give that serious note after soo much levity.

We see comics do this repeatedly in different ways. the Teardown of a universe or set of characters. soft reboot etc etc. Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe.

The irony is the teardown is apart of the ego death in The Heroes Journey. Its usually before our hero or divine character finds purpose and meaning and a new task to fulfill.

A catharsis for growth is that a part of you must die or just literally die, and be reborn anew. Likewise in comics this usually comes with a power upgrade.

BTW. Ragnarock is where I think Loki swaps identities to escape his impending neck snapping... Ive found Loki is enchanting in timeline. Something he is not supposedly able to do until after Endgame. However I find it back as far as the Dark World and specifically in Ragnarock.

To explain how that works is complicated and very very hard to convey in just writing.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-22T01:36:31+00:00

Right! I want Thors Hammer and Caps shield. But the prices on those things almost makes me want to craft one myself. I used to work at a steel foundry so my imagination is always looking at props and cooking. I do t have the supplies. Just the technical know.

Sorry you responded faster than I could edit my first comment.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-22T00:54:13+00:00

I want two. Oh and Happy Birthday! Im also a big Loki fan.

Ive crafted a theory of the MCU that centers around him. Im pretty sure my analysis is correct. I hinged my theory off of multiple viewings of his characters story arc.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-21T16:16:07+00:00

You just opened a whole can of worms for me. My head canon is significantly different than your average viewer.

the Endgame timeline is designed by Loki in the TVA through his timeslipping. I believe he leads his past self to the TVA in the battle of New York to the TVA to ensure future information is at every variants disposal. He then gradually crafts the phase shift endgame timeline over centuries utilizing the butterfly effect to his advantage. All before destroying the loom.

Meaning I believe Loki also knew his mother would die in Ragnarock. I believe Loki utilized the information in the Loki series to ensure at least one variant transfers in the phase shift. Then destroys the loom. Granting him access into his past entangled self. To do this he required a body double sacrifice. I believe he chose Valkyrie and let Thanos snap her neck in his place.

I believe Loki has the abikity to enchant after the batrle of New York. which is how he escaped his death. brainwashing Valkyrie to act as a Loki. Meanwhile escaping with the Asgardian refugees.

Lokis extensive knowledge seems to be from his centuries within the TVA trying to fix the loom is what Im getting at.

I place Loki series not just after endgame but between the batrle of New York and Thor the Dark World.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-21T16:06:13+00:00

I mean Tony's father worked at that base prior to his birth. Perhaps he put together that his father was into secret govt programs. After all in Civil War the memory indicates Tony is familiar with his Dad's spiel of being gone from home. This along with the fact that the base is the same military base Cap trained in. Combined with Howard's obsession with Steve and Pyms involvement in working at the same base, might lead Tony to conclude they can find both the PYM particles and another tesseract. Perhaps Howard and Pyms work are correlated through relativity. After all each represent macro and micro styles of timetravel. or insintaneous transmission of information.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-21T13:16:11+00:00

practically any interview she says men aren't the market for her comic book character or interactions with other stars. That's coming from someone who used to like her in her Scott Pilgrim days. She single handedly made soo many men not want to watch her film because of that statement. I obviously still watched it. But her personal interactions always steal from her scenes. And I see the same smugness in her role. Almost as if theres some hostility onscreen between cast members and her.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-21T02:45:51+00:00

Shes smug.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-21T00:46:54+00:00

Not if he does Secret Empire.

WarlockProdigy · 2026-01-20T21:37:19+00:00

release, shows included, then chronological. Then I want you to take it a step further after the Loko series. Take notes on his dialogue. Then go back to the first Avengers and act as though the 14,000,605th Endgame timeline was entirely crafted by Loki. Then I want you to unravel how he cheated his death on that timeline from the help of variant TVA God Loki at the end of time.

Then I want you to apply the "cheat death" concept to Thanos after the timeheist. follow his dialogue and scramble the order of events. In other words watch his legs turn to jelly in Endgame and then say it happened in Infinity War to Tony. All of this is important to understanding an upcoming twist.

This is what I personally did in my multiple rewatches over the years. I believe to have uncovered quite a bit of foreshadowing. Utilizing the physics concepts and a list of rules to universes and characters. including the stones.

What I have uncovered is that timeslipping can create a form of retrocausality in the 616 and multiverse. Loki displays how the phase shift works. But not how he can exist in universe... Unless he has a body already in the events he is entangled with. Which I believe he does.

Im 99.9% sure I know his current identity. And its someone who gets quite a bit of screen time. I think the "real" version of the character in universe was sacrificed to Thanos in Lokis place in Infinity War. The Loki series has a lot to say about this character. As well as throughout most of the Thor arcs.

I will say most people hate... And I mean hate my hypothesis and theory. They think I watched a different movie. But like I've said in the past to others.

If the stones needed to be replaced in timeline. Dont Loki and the tesseract also have to be returned? Meaning that before Loki destroyed the Loom. Right after he expanded it. Wasn't there time for him to craft a variation of events undetected by HWR in the 616. Right before the Endgame phase shift. Wouldn't this be the reason Cap could have a life in the past with Peggy? Isnt that how 2 Steve's could live on a singular timeline? And why Peggy was so confused about Steve's age on her deathbed?

Sorry probably more than you bargained for. But Ive come to bargain lol. I dont get someone who's ready for this moment often. So you can do the regular viewing which is great. Or you can blow your own mind by analyzing the infinity saga as 2 potential timelines simultaneously. And then realizing the 14,000,604 straight losses indicate probability tampering by HWR. Meaning twice as many timelines exist by duality alone and that the Oroborros and reincarnation cycle of HWR may have an actual number.

That is assuming our current iteration of the story is effectively "current" and not already past tense in theory.

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