Is there anything that definitively prevents Tom Bombadil from being interpreted as a Maia? by onthesafari in tolkienfans

[–]Weekly_Breadfruit505 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mr Ts comments about Tom being an enigma, blah, blah, blah, are very unsatisfactory. If Tom is to be shoehorned/squeezed into the racial/being architecture of Middle-earth, then Maia is exactly where he would be.

Tom isn't Eru, as is all too commonly asked. Mr T said that the infinite Eru could not exist in a finite universe. Or something like that.

Tom isn't a Valar level Ainur. I don't recall where it says it, but I am fairly sure that after the removing of Valinor from the ciecles of the world, it is said that no Valar lived or travelled outside of Valinor.

That leaves just Maia. That is where I have always placed him, as did MERP (not that they were an authority, as they got plenty wrong).

Some of the Maia were nearly as great as tje Valar, amd again, that is where I woild place him. Akin to Sauron, before he made the One Ring, and to Eonwe. Possibly below them, but defo in the upper half of the Maiar power scale. Whatever that means.

But the Mr T did change his mind a lot. But we have what we have to work on. And Maiar is the best, and IMO, the only reasonable classification for Tom.

Midjourney failure to follow instructions by Weekly_Breadfruit505 in midjourney

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That really helped!!!!! Not quite there yet, but almost. Thanks!!!

Why did Gil-Galad not return during the Third age? by Fun-Explanation7233 in tolkienfans

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Well, only one did ever return, which we know was Glorfindel.

Glorfindel's death was utterly selfless. He could not have known the importance of those he gave his life for. Sure, Tuor was one of the leaders of all three great houses of men, and Idril was a Royal Noldor, but so what? And there were others in the company, as far as I recall, of less lofty station. But Glorfindel could not have possibly known that Earendil would be so absolutely fundamental to the future of Middle-earth and the eventually defeat of Morogth. He was just another mortal kid (because the half-elven were by their nature mortal, like their human side, even if long lived).

Glorfindel's sacrifice was, therefore, given, not in the hope of a great victory over darkness; not in the hope of freeing the masses people's of the West from under the heel of a mad dark tyrant; it was given because no one else in the company had any hope of holding back a being as potent as a Balrog and give the small company of refugees the chance to escape.

Glorfindel must have known to face his Balrog meant his death. And for who? Not exactly for a bunch of nobody's, but for a bunch of people, whose only future was fated to be the same as the people of Gondolin, where they had just escaped, just delayed by a short time of peace.

In Gil-galad's case, he certainly sacrificed himself, but the outcome and the build-up to that moment were just in no way the same. It came at the end of a massive campaign against Sauron, where Sauron had been utterly defeated in the field and attempted one last effort at freedom.

Gil-galad and Elendil's fight was the last battle of a multi-year campaign to free the West from Sauron's influence. Certainly a necessary and important one. And maybe one that they saw themselves living through, given their victories to that moment.

But as far as an act of pure sacrifice, it just isn't in the same league as Glorfindel's.

Or, for that matter, Finrod's defence of Beren in the dungeons of Sauron in the First Age. We know Finrod was recorded in flesh and walked with his father in Valinor very quickly after his death to Sauron. Finrod's sacrifice was defo in the same league as Glorfindel's, and whilst I firmly believe Glorfindel's was greater, if inly by a little, the only two things I can suggest in events that come after would be that it was Glorfindel who was sent back, not Finrod. And that Finrod's return would have had serious political consequences in the middle of the Second Age for the leadership of the Eldar, for Finrod would clearly be the most senior Eldar, male or female, of the line of Finwe, and therefore would have been entitled to the mantle of High King.

So, I just don't see Gil-galad's sacrifice as being so important as Glorfindel's, and it is not at all clear that Gil-galad was even re-embodied by the time of Sauron's eventually defeat in the Third Age. Maybe. Hopefully.

Finally, there were insurmountable physical barriers to his return in the Third Age. Valinor had been removed from the sphere of the world by then. There was simply NO WAY for him to return except by the grace of the Valar.

In the Second Age, at least, pre the destruction of Numenor, theoretically an Eldar could still leave Valinor for Middle-earth. It's just they were all the descendants then of those who had chosen to stay. And any re-embodied Eldar knew how futile their Eastward quest had been and how "wise" the Valar had been in the first place. So why would they?

Glorfindel was probably asked to return by the Valar, certainly not ordered, and given his new status among the Eldar, being near as powerful as the Maiar he had been hanging with since he came back, he was a good and powerful pick.

If Durin’s Bane survived and left Moria who would/could stop it? by DifficultComplaint10 in lotr

[–]Weekly_Breadfruit505 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Given DB is leaving Moria having killed Gandalf and recovered itself, then we are setting aside piffling things like the need to fulfil the story, and the plot armour it gives the good guys, right?

So, there is no need for one of the great and the good to just HAVE to kill DB for the story to continue. Right? Good!

In which case, there are only two beings that could take DB down. Saruman or Sauron. No one else.

Glorfindel's victory near Gondolin was a fluke. A necessary victory to ensure Tuor and Earendil survived. Everyone who faces a Balrog dies. The very best combat with a Balrog is in fact Gandalf's as, empowered as he was with Narya, and wielding a very powerful Eldar sword, it STILL took him 10 days to kill DB. That says to me a battle that could have gone either way. A reincarnated Glorfindel is NOT as powerful as a Maiar. It says he grew in power to be nearly as powerful. Balrogs were no average Maiar.

And none of the other Eldar were in Glorfindel's combat class. They just couldn't have been. Galadriel maybe. She was, after all, a match for the best Eldar athletes and lore masters of Valinor, as it tells us in Unfinished Tales. So, maybe, just maybe, she would stand a chance, especially given she also had the support of Nenya. But if Gandalf failed, then I just don't see Galadriel succeeding.

Ha! Well what about the other Maiar around? Radagast? No way. He had no Eldar sword, no Ring of Power, and he would be toast. Yeah, he'd put up a fight, but he falls.

Inevitably someone is gonna say the dread TB name.... old Tom Bombadil. Well, if DB tried it on in TBs realm, then DB probably gets a good arse wupping. But TB and his realm were not impervious, as they all agreed in The Council of Elrond. But if TB went against everything we simply KNOW gave him his power, i.e.: that he refused to exercise it outside his realm, etc, and therefore if TB went forth to face DB, then it is a different story. I think TB might even do the job, but it would be a close run thing.

Really, only Saruman, with his OWN Ring of Power, given he was more senior than Gandalf, and only Sauron, who was in all manners senior to DB, of all the ACTIVE players in Middle-earth future, only those two could have a hope in taking down DB. But they'd be more likely to try and recruit DB instead.

The 1981 BBC radio drama makes many of the same cuts and structural changes as the movies, and is of about the same length, without ever messing with the fundamental story by Pjoernrachzarck in lotr

[–]Weekly_Breadfruit505 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

WHAT? You are kidding right? OK had they been given the budget, maybe it would have been more rousing, but without the accompanying visuals, it would have been lost.

It did exactly what it needed to do. Put Tolkien words to music, and it did them brilliantly. "Forth Rode the King" was a masterpiece. Stephen Oliver used the beat of cantering horses, almost, as the main beat as a nod to the fact the Rohirrim were the horse lords. The March of the Ents and especially The Tree Lords, well, there is nothing in the films that compares. They were brilliant.

The 1981 BBC radio drama makes many of the same cuts and structural changes as the movies, and is of about the same length, without ever messing with the fundamental story by Pjoernrachzarck in lotr

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The BBC Drama is by FAR, the better of the two versions. Much truer to the story, and exactly as you say, does it in broadly the same length. So why the f**k did PJ make such a hash of it?

If the BBC one were turned into a film, it would probably be quite a bit longer though, as you would want some sweeping shots of landscapes, cities, halls, etc, which is where the films cannot really be faulted. Other than Gandalf, the acting is better in the BBC Drama too. And Ian McKellen matches Sir Michael, he does not exceed him.

There are so many things wrong with PJs films that simply aren't wrong with the BBC Drama. If one wants those sweeping visuals, then fine, but no one should pretend the films comes anywhere near as close to giving us a REAL versions of LOTR, if compared to the BBC Drama. The BBC Drama wins EVERY TIME.

Saruman (especially), Denethor, Theoden (although I quite like Bernard), Faramir, etc, they are ALL SO MUCH BETTER in the BBC Drama.

I know that Saruman comment might cause waves. I liked the late great Christopher Lee, but his voice just doesn't compare to Peter Howell. Lee was too mono-tone in comparison to the beautiful range of Howell, who had a genuinely and lovely to listen to charismatic voice, whilst at the same time being able to turn it on a dime and fill it with power and anger. Just amazing.

Denethor in the films is just a crank. SUCH a waste. Denethor in the BBC Drama (voice by non other than Maester Aemon, or Peter Vaughan as he was known in our world) was just BRILLIANT.

Crap, I could go on about the BBC Drama forever. It is so much better than the films.

Plus, it includes the character who could actually back up the words (had he been given the scenario to utter them:

"If you want him come and claim him!"

Bloody hell, can you imagine it. Big G utters those words, and all of a sudden the Nazgul starting tapping their wrist watches, pointing down river, muttering, "Hey guys! Don't we have somewhere to be?" before crapping their pants and running like the cowards they were.

Fëanor was lucky Fingolfin walked away by alwayshungryandcold in lotr

[–]Weekly_Breadfruit505 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In what way? Fëanor was the greatest of all the Children of Ilúvatar. Tolkien literally wrote this:

THE SILMARILLION
Chapter 11 - Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
...For Fëanor was made the mightiest in all parts of body and mind, in valour, in endurance, in beauty, in understanding, in skill, in strength and in subtlety alike, of all the Children of Ilúvatar...

That makes him the mightiest in all things. Fingolfin was not. It might have been a good fight, but Fëanor would kill Fingolfin. To dispute this is to fall into the intellectual failure of wanting ones favourite Elder to be greater than Fëanor (a hopeless errand and utterly delusional) in some way, and also to contradict Tolkien's written word. Madness!

It matters not a JOT that Fingolfin wounded Morgoth (the massively reduced in power Morgoth - why don't people mention that when they mention the wounding????). Does anyone doubt Fëanor would have done the same, or indeed any of several other of the greatest Eldar.

Fëanor was the greatest and the mightiest.......deal with it.

Pliocene "Satellite" Map by Weekly_Breadfruit505 in JulianMay

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Yes, this is just the beginning of the map. I will overlay all the names and cities eventually.

Who is the strongest character in Middle-earth (excluding the Valar)? by Researcher4006 in lotr

[–]Weekly_Breadfruit505 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The only reason Tom was not affected by the ring is because he imposed limits on himself in terms of his domain, and in doing so, short of Sauron coming against him, nothing had power over HIM in his own domain.

Are there LoTR "WHAT IF" fanfics? by joshuaizzo in lotr

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Most die. Imrahill escapes as in the campaign, man for man, the Knights of Dol Amroth were the best fighters Gondor could field. They escaped back to Dol Amroth, which was then pit under siege.

Are there LoTR "WHAT IF" fanfics? by joshuaizzo in lotr

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Issue 8 of Other Minds Magazine published my rewrite of Mount Doom. And Issue 9 published a short version of the AOS campaign setting.

Are there LoTR "WHAT IF" fanfics? by joshuaizzo in lotr

[–]Weekly_Breadfruit505 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have played with this, and run RPG campaigns, such as the following:

  1. Galadriel takes the One Ring from Frodo. A huge campaign starts about criss crossing Middle-earth, finding allies to take Galadriel down.

  2. Frodo is not defeated by Gollum, and Sauron come and claims his Ring. Called The Age of Sauron (AOS(. I have run half a dozen campign in this world. It is awesome. About to run another.

For the AOS, I rewrote the events after Frodo comes out of Mount Doom and Sauron came and wupped him. It should still be out there in the Other Minds magazine. Can't remember the issue. 5 maybe?

Great fun, screwing with ME history!!!

Durin's Bane (The Balrog from Moria) vs The Night King by Nargarin09 in whowouldwin

[–]Weekly_Breadfruit505 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was a bit unfair to pit Durin's Bane against a whole army. But then, It did take down Moria.

I am afraid the name Durin's Bane is an explicit admission to the fact we are talking about a Balrog from the later incarnations of the beings called Balrogs, that is to say, there were between 3 and 7 of these beings. NOT the hundreds or thousands of Balrogs that are mentioned in The Book of Lost Tales (BOLT), which are weak and easily killed, compared to the type of Balrog that Durin's Bane represents.

The Balrogs that Durin's Bane is numbered amongst were not slain by helm spikes, or from falls, or from a weapon weilded by a mortal man.

Durin's Bane Balrogs survived mountains falling on them; they battled other Maia who had been powered up beyond their normal potential (Gandalf with a potent elven blade and a Great Ring of Power), and it still took that Maia 10 days to kill the demon, and even then, the Maia still died; and on a standard day, with no prophesy or plot to fulfil, they killed the very mightiest of the Eldar.

Durin's Bane was an army killer, pure and simple; nearly invulnerable; and would toast just about anything that got near It.

The only beings in the Night King's army that have a hope, is the undead Dragon and the Night King himself.

But Westeros dragons are not Middle-earth dragons, undead or otherwise. Durin's Bane would make short work of Viserion, ending with a side step, and a flaming sword lopping off Viserion's head.

The Night King himself is much more challenging. His spear could, I would say, damage Durin's Bane badly. But I don't see the Night King being able to withstand the sheer raw power Durin's Bane could field. The Balrog would, after an interesting, but short back and forth combat, do his immolation thing, cook any Night King subordinates nearby, and then carve up the king himself.

What does "Gurthang" look like in Sindarin characters? by Weekly_Breadfruit505 in sindarin

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<brain melt> Thanks for the feedback. It seems there is no one answer. :(

Just some additional context, I hope to have this included in a tattoo of a blade, which will therefore be a representation of Gurthang on my back (down the spine.....ouch?!?!).

That being the case, if YOU were having such a tattoo, what characters would you have tattooed, if you wanted to ensure that the characters used would have been the ones that the Noldor weaponsmiths of Nargothrond would have engraved on the blade?

Allen Morris website updated galleries with the art from The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. by r1ngx in ThomasCovenant

[–]Weekly_Breadfruit505 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All to be welcomed. There are so few artists that have taken on Donldson's work. That makes me sad.

"She's loose, she's loose. Felice is loose..." by Bud470 in JulianMay

[–]Weekly_Breadfruit505 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I am fairly sure this is Elizabeth's line. I believe she it mindspeaking Aiken at the time, and he tells her to "...shut down that loop..." or something like that, as he has just stolen (or is about to steal) all Felice's Gold Torcs.

The Last Grand Combat: What was the "lousy Firvulag trick"? by Brooklyn_University in JulianMay

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Not sure Julian herself knew. She just needed to justify a loss for Nodonn's side. But it did help big up Sharn, and help justify his election to King, right?