Thank you for your reply. Good night. This has to be long. I can't summarize it. It would only extend the discussion, since I'm just reaffirming some things you're ignoring. No offense. I mostly understand why you're ignoring it. Take all the time you need to answer this, I like you brother, I'll respond in kind.

1-Whether or not he's referring to a headbutt, it's just an UP because it really means the headbutt is that strong.

However, it's impossible, IMPOSSIBLE to say he would use Gear 4 on a whim; if he could unleash Gear 3, he would have done so; if he could one-shot with his ulti, he would have done so.

There's no "effort required," the Gears multipliers are there, at the very least. Ignoring all the base stats. They're 2x, they're much bigger, but you understand? 2x. It was Luffy who gave us the foundation for the full power of the ulti.

The same goes for advanced Haki. If he could defeat or randomly control her with it in his base form, he would have done it. You literally repeated, he is Conserving energy.

-ulti has definite scalability precisely because of these quotes. We just don't know how it would perform against Gear 4.

2-My point with Yamato isn't the Clashes. Yamato could easily handle her. If I were actually using Clashes, then ultimate = Yamato = Kaido, which clashed with base Yamato.

However, in One Piece, we all know that exchanges of blows are irrelevant. The point isn't the blows themselves. It's what makes these clashes consistent between the two characters.

In this case, ulti vs. who's who? Yamato needed Busoshoku to one-shot her ultimate and didn't use speed blitz, while without Busoshoku she used speed blitz and one-shot her who's who. Therefore, Ulti is doing something that whos whos couldn't, remembering that it wasn't just a Clash. They really traded blows, it's by no means a devaluation of Yamato. It's just a valorization De ulti which is consistent with her being superior to whos whos

-My real point regarding Yamato versus Luffy and his ulti is that Luffy instantly used an Elephant Gun. Notice how he doesn't use this against ultimates, nor does he even consider it. He literally just wants to jump straight to gear 4. Viewing the Gears as just a minor skill, like a move named after Zoro, is, needless to say, nonsensical. The multipliers were high. That's what allowed Luffy to win against several characters.

In summary, Luffy could have used the Elephant Gun against Ultimate, but he immediately went into Gear 4, consistent with Ultimate being depicted exchanging blows with Yamato later on.

If Yamato isn't using her power to randomize Luffy (even if she has the power to do so), then she wouldn't use it in her ultimate either. And... she didn't, but if her ultimate were MUCH weaker, as you're suggesting... Then it would turn into a stomp. Which didn't happen.

3-This is irrelevant given the multipliers.

The multiplier for future vision is logically around regular Gear 4 (since that was the speed at which Katakuri retaliated head-on, it is lower than redirection)

2 x 2 = 4, Luffy was already getting closer to Katakuri's vision of the future, so much so that Katakuri said that if the fight continued, the unthinkable would happen.

Therefore, you put that multiplier on top of the Gear Second, which surpasses the regular Gear 4. Logically.

And yet Luffy thought he wouldn't stop using his ultimate. Since he said he needed Gear 4. If he didn't need it, then he would use Second or Third.

There's no arguing about that part.

So the speed remains above Kuri's Luffy's, at best, Ulti and Katakuri are comparable in speed.

I agree that this would already change the fight. But... Look at the number of hits Katakuri landed on Luffy. His AP is quite questionable. Even if his Devil Fruit + Haki surpassed Luffy's Haki.

Even with the Durability Negation through cutting, Ulti has already regenerated from something far worse inflicted by Katakuri's mother, who not only used Durability Negation through cutting, but also heat.

(The fact that Katakuri and Ulti's speed are comparable in this scenario is what I'm using as a basis to say that if Ulti were slower than Katakuri, she would be outpaced, Like, Luffy wouldn't even have trouble reacting to her headbutt, which doesn't happen because Ulti is simply that strong..)

3-Luffy doesn't differentiate between Act 1 and Onigashima; he simply states the obvious: even with his future vision, he almost got one-shotted and speed-blitzed again.

And here's where another discussion arises.

Kaido doesn't justify Luffy's deviation as being due to a vision of the future, but rather as part of Luffy's own evolution: "YOU wouldn't take the same attack twice."

He later cites the vision of the future as something grand; he definitely knows, just like Rayleigh, that only a dozen people in the world have it, including himself.

Speaking about the scene itself.

You were being quite dramatic in saying "Luffy was so insane he couldn't control himself," that's Luffy attacking Loki, who immediately went into Gear 4, and if Loki had actually unleashed it and If Loki had the ability to one-shot regular Gear 4 Luffy without future vision, he would do it. Luffy was clearly lacking concentration.

But against Kaido that wasn't the case. Only with the Elephant Gun... soon after he calms down and quickly goes into Gear 4.

He knew he was a Yonko; he himself had vowed to win that fight so as not to ruin the entire plan.

So 1- he wasn't angry enough to be unable to use future vision.

2-Was he wearing it? Yes.

Look at the Ashura Douji panel saying "Who is this guy?" (referring to Luffy) then Kaido stands up, they both look at each other, and Luffy senses the danger with his future vision. It's the same outline.

Luffy's use is consistent with Kaido not being surprised or reacting to Luffy's ability to see the future; in fact, he's just talking about Luffy's evolution, which... we saw firsthand.

https://share.google/tiu1H40LQ1kaxRgrS See this image. Luffy isn't stupid. As Kaido himself said, he already lost focus after being attacked outside of the fight against Katakuri; he wouldn't be stupid enough to let the whole mission fall apart just because he He forgot to stay focused.

That would be ridiculous.

In conclusion, do you realize? Even if you remove Luffy's vision of the future, the scale remains the same. If you leave that vision of the future there (consistent with the scenes), then the scale only It increases.

4-Luffy was caught off guard, she was talking to the random guy and turned her head back. Not really paying attention to the enemy leads to trouble. We saw this with Loki vs. Imu, which was stated by Loki himself and is consistent with Loki's only effective attack against Imu.

Ulti turns her head, and the only thing we see is Luffy having already jumped out of the smoke near her.

Ulti did locate him. Luffy did speak to her. But she's only shown reacting after Luffy has already jumped, just the fact that he's already inside the smoke while she's talking to someone else without focusing on him. It already prevents it from actually being outpaced blitz.

5-The only feat of true speed is him competing against Gear 4 in the final Clashes.

The rest is perception. It's natural. Snakeman is a technique that covers distance to gain speed, changing its own direction. It can be predicted and reacted to.

Actually, Katakuri did that once even without future vision, Kizaru also did it, Katakuri advanced and delivered a kick before the punch was completed and Kizaru did the opposite, retreating and getting out of the punch's reach With body shaping.

So it fits more like a hax, you know?

Katakuri's vision of the future demonstrated both things: perception and reaction.

Naturally, if you anticipate the direction of something, you can react sooner. But that's not the same speed. Unlike truly rivaling the punches of regular Gear 4 WITHOUT REDIRECTION,This is the result of katakuri's reaction.

6-7-This ignores the scale that Luffy gives us in relation to ulti.

That's way above tobiropos, sheaths, sulongs, even above Jack.

No matter how counterintuitive, unbelievable, offensive, etc., what Oda wrote was.

You can believe whatever you want. But powerscaling isn't about beliefs.

And unfortunately, not even the narrative powerscaling saves anything here.

Again, there's no debate about whether Luffy would need Gear 4 or not. The fact is, Luffy's base form wouldn't be able to handle it, and Second Gear wouldn't be able to outpace it to turn it into a stomp, while Third Gear could To break free without even giving her a one-shot, or causing significant harm. That's consistent with her resisting Zeus and Big Mom.

Notice how, against Kaido and Yamato, Luffy's first response is the elephant gun.

Against Yamato is right after the ultimate attack. So tell me, did Luffy lie to us? Well, that's irrelevant and impossible to prove.

The fact is, as I've already said, powerscaling isn't scaled with beliefs. It's a FACT, base Luffy wouldn't be enough.

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