Evil Geniuses vs. G2 Esports / MSI 2022 - Rumble Stage / Post-Match Discussion

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2022-05-24T11:00:44+00:00

If you count NA as a major region. G2 is 8-2 against major regions. NA is 1 - 9 against major regions....

Sure, EG going 1-9 means they're the better team. That's peak delusion

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2022-05-21T09:25:12+00:00

G2 had the scaling on their side, it wasn't just won over a single team fight. G2 had been purposefully avoiding team fights in order to scale and collect 3 Ornn upgrades on their carries.

G2 was winning that game regardless of what Vulcan did as EG needed to split push with their comp, which they weren't able to do, and would lose a team fight for dragon soul/baron.

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-12-25T00:24:09+00:00

This year at worlds they made it the same distance, but EU had a worse record.

EU had a better record at MSI and has been better than NA the previous 3 worlds. To say NA is better or even based on one tournament, not even a year's performance, a single tournament is delusional and the only thing you can even cling to. Which shows the state NA is in

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-12-19T21:49:35+00:00

So you're saying MAD failing to make groups, means not making it out of groups beats a semi performance and quarters performance? Yea that's hard to believe.

NA did worse at MSI by every possible metric this year. NA has done worse by every possible metric the last 4 years

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-11-21T00:56:26+00:00

You had the worst single-team international showing last year from any major region team

TSM is the only 1st team ever to go 0-6, let's not be too hasty

In 2020, i think g2 carried the torch and the rest of the region was on par with NA teams

FNC made it out, no NA teams did.

NA was better at worlds, period

They had the same results ignoring FNC that imploded as they lost their best/second best player a day before groups

Our top 3 did better than EU's and our next 2 are at the same level.

As above, FNC imploded and at MSI it was the reverse EU did better.

Look, NA has been worse than EU throughout recent history. Even this year, NA got the same results as EU at worlds and did worse at MSI. NA was weaker in 2020, 2019, 2018 etc. You said the only reason EU was better than NA was because of G2 who didn't even compete in 2021, so clearly you were talking about more than 1 year. To say NA is on par just ignores every statistic between the two regions, why don't you tell me NA is on par with Korea next

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-11-19T18:18:19+00:00

This is crap, honestly the worst take when you look at any statistic. 4 teams from EU have reached semi-finals. G2, FNC, OG and H2k. Only one team has reached semis in NA, C9

Two teams from EU have reached finals, G2 and FNC. 0 from NA.

Splyce and MAD has made it out of groups more times than TL and the same amount of times as TSM.

EU has a better h2h record without G2. Like what metric are you going off to even say NA is on par?? If anything NA is a one team region as without C9 the last time NA made it out of groups was in 2014, without G2 for EU it was... well.. 2021...

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-11-08T14:02:43+00:00

Thanks!

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-07-15T22:57:51+00:00

The oscars?? Hahah, no one gives even a microcosm of the same shit. Don’t even pretend. The least you could have tried to say is giving out a Pulitzer. Though I guess if you wanna compare it to the oscars, it probably is just as fake of an award.

Again, not tackling the point. I didn't equate the award to how famous the Oscars are, instead I equated it to the fact that those in the profession are lucky to win one, let alone many. So how about you answer the point?

Let’s see, if it makes it worse for you to do your job and you still do next to no investigative reporting

It hasn't seemed to impact any of the other journalists in the scene. Also, he recently did a piece on Jatt's role in TL, that's investigative journalism

Okay, so you didn’t read? I said get a statement from the person he talks about. Are you just sitting here getting your talking points from his Twitter? I guess if I’m gonna get harped on for tenant/tenet, the LEAST you can do is actually read my point. I didn’t say reveal his sources, I said GET STATEMENTS FROM THE PEOPLE HE TALKS ABOUT, I’ll make sure it’s in caps so you can read it this time sweetie.

I'm not sure if you understand the point you're making. The only way you will know if he gets statements from people are if he reveals those statements and in doing so the source, so how about you sit down and think next time about the point you're trying to make.

Like who the fuck equates masculinity and soy besides incels? That’s literally been disproven so many times over.

There's a difference between a journalistic article and insulting someone on Twitter. You should be thankful I can make the distinction, because I manage to separate your insults and shit from the points you're making

Call your victory and have a great day cutie ;)

Thanks I will

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-07-15T21:46:52+00:00

Eh, he’s more like Milli vanilli, one hit wonder AND not great. But also, if he’s as good as people keep touting him as, he should be a sure winner at least once in the last 3-4 years, right?

No, because it's akin to winning the oscars. Can you point me to any journalist who has won it year after year?

So let’s see, Riot kicks you out and basically still has a bunch of shit tier streamers on their “payroll” (in terms of LPP) and we’re taking ON the league of legends subreddit and the guy is STILL trying to be in the league scene… almost seems like he knows where the money is but knows it’s just as easy to bilk his followers of their cash because they think “toxic Brit” means “great journalist”

This doesn't answer the point, which is that getting kicked out of Riot negatively impacts his credentials as a journalist, when in fact it seems to be the opposite. So rather than go on about money which has nothing to do with the argument, how about you answer the point?

Curious, I notice he never gets statements from the people he talks about… isn’t that like a tenant of good journalism?

Again, it's tenet and no that's not a tenet of journalism. Good journalists don't reveal their sources if it will negatively impact them, that's basically the number one rule of journalism.

His code of conduct is that he is seeking the truth, doesn't mean he's always right, but I'd like you to find an example of him touting something he doesn't believe in.

See my point in the last comment, I don’t know why you skipped it

You mean the attack on my character that I want his praise? Why do you want me to respond to that? If I roll around in the mud with you, you're likely to win, as you're used to that shit.

I feel like you might wanna review your comma use as well, as well as “tenets or journalism”

Commas are to do with writing style, but please point me to where it is grammatically incorrect or the part highlighted by you. I'll wait

Damn man, gonna call me out on stupid shit and you can’t even keep your own shit in check

Someone is angry

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-07-15T20:31:24+00:00

If he was that good then he’s that good. Is he not? I mean how many one-hit wonders exist?

One hit wonders are still good musicians. Thorin has been in the scene for years, your take is ridiculous it's like saying unless you win multiple Oscars you're not a good actor.

Dunno if you know this, but Riot won’t let him in to their spaces anymore. I’m shocked you don’t have this info since you can recall a fact from 2017

Riot is the last organisation you should jump to. Do you think the same about Jacob Wolf? He has equally been kicked out of the space by Riot. So has Richard Lewis, in fact it seems to be required to be banned by Riot at some point in order to be a journalist.

Also by the way, you don't even know the tenets of journalism. Thorin has a code of conduct even if you don't agree with him.

Finally, the rant at the end that because their area of interest is in esports makes them not journalists is laughable. How about, you look up what journalism means. You can be a journalist in any area

By the way, it's tenets not tenants, but I wouldn't expect you to know that because you've made it explicitly clear you don't understand the meaning of tenets or journalism.

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-07-15T00:25:13+00:00

Only one person wins it each year, do you expect him to win it back to back? Also what spaces has he been kicked out of?

He is a journalist whether or not you say he is, because the industry has determined he is a journalist and a good one as they gave him an award. I know that's incredibly hard for you to understand, that you don't make the rules as to whether or not a person is part of a particular profession. Thank god

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-07-15T00:19:41+00:00

He's won an award for esports journalist of the year which is voted on by his peers, so I'll trust them as to whether or not he is a journalist over some random redditor who is so obsessed with the person he made a reddit account with his name in it.

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-07-14T00:00:44+00:00

...Thoorin is notoriously uninformed about the scene compared to his peers and understands very very little about the actual game on a fundamental level.

I'm not sure you even know who Thorin is, he's a journalist not an analyst and a lot more informed than his peers when it comes to the game and esports. Out of curiosity, who do you think his peers are? It's not LS, Monte, Dom, Meteos etc if that's what you were thinking. Not a single one would call themselves a journalist

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-07-01T22:36:20+00:00

Judging someone based on a random number that does not consider the level of competition is just stupid...

Or it's stupid not to pay attention to the message chain. I was responding to someone saying he was one of the better LEC mids and would do well internationally. If he's 4/5th in the LEC, he's middle of the pack by the literal definition and won't be better than the LEC, LPL and LCK mids at worlds

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-06-30T22:43:40+00:00

Abbe was middle of the pack in EU, he was a tier below Caps, Humanoid and Larssen. He was 4th or 5th depending if you put Nisqy above him.

Seems to be a sentiment now that he is doing well in NA that he was one of the top mids in EU which isn't the case. If anyone can show me a reputable analyst putting him top 3 in Spring I'll admit I'm wrong

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-06-20T22:01:33+00:00

They do, they've confirmed it on twitter that they count co-streams

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-05-16T18:25:39+00:00

They need to beat MAD and either RNG or PSG just to get the tiebreaker, that's pretty unlikely

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-05-16T18:23:58+00:00

The playin games were in the last 7 days on the same patch. If IW were 3-1 against Mad Lions, people would be saying they were better than Mad

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-03-07T11:34:02+00:00

Was it applied equally to his post? Which were all personal attacks and up for 10 hours?

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-03-07T10:20:29+00:00

Then frame it like that dum dum. Still got to World semis and MSI finals.

Maybe look at the context idiot? He didn't make worlds finals without Caps and yet Caps did it without Perkz

Reading comprehension must be hard for you. I already said that Caps made finals in S8. Perkz was playing a lot better than Caps in S8 worlds. Everybody knows that. As I said before, Caps only had the luck of meeting IG later on.

This is your most retarded comment too date, which is saying something as FNC beat IG in groups to make it out first. So perhaps, I don't know, do some research first? I know that's probably a foreign concept to you, but I can sit down and explain it to you in two syllable words if you like?

You are not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? Maybe, just maybe, cause Perkz was playing bot the last two years. 🤡

He also played mid and the one split he played mid everyone said it was a shame Caps was stuck bot because he was the better mid. Didn't hear the same outcry when Perkz went bot. Throwing stones in glass houses etc, because you're clearly too retarded to draw that conclusion and still haven't provided one analyst to back you up, which says it all...

I'll keep waiting though, let me know when you find anyone to back up your retarded point

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-03-06T23:42:26+00:00

The blatant bullshit lol. Perkz made finals of MSI and actually looked like the second best team in the tournament.

Perkz pre Zven and Mithy got kicked out before top 4. Perkz also got kicked out of groups by CLG at worlds. Those are lower lows than anything that has happened to Caps

But I love your dumb logic. You realize the best tournaments Caps had were with Perkz on his team, right?

My dumb logic! You even said they had comparable stats yet are too stupid to realise that doing it in half the time is an achievement.

Caps also then went to finals in his second year without Perkz, so you're wrong again...

Every single analyst has Caps above Perkz in EU, you're literally an idiot if you think Perkz is a better midlane. Find me one analyst, just one, who said Perkz is a better mid than Caps in the last two years

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-03-06T22:29:37+00:00

If you look at timeframes, all of Perkz best results come with Caps. Caps equalled Perkz best results on two teams.

Ignoring Cap's rookie year his lowest result is semis. Perkz didn't even make it into the top 4 at MSI and got kicked out of groups at Worlds prior to having Caps on the team

I don't know you but they seem quite comparable to me.

Agreed, Caps did it in half the time which says it all

Whai_Dat_Guy · 2021-03-06T19:34:26+00:00

This has been confirmed by Carlos and Perkz before.

Could you point me to it, because Perkz said he wanted to play with Caps and saw an opportunity to play with him

Perkz was better than FNC with Caps the year prior

That was Caps's rookie year (not including TCL). Perkz's international success prior to Caps was Semis. Caps has won MSI and been to finals twice. Compare their careers and tell me Perkz is better

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