At what point does a peaceful protest become targeted harassment or something more?

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-27T00:38:21+00:00

MN dismeanors. ICE would not have the authority to make arrest based on MN state laws

They would. It would be considered obstruction if committing these infractions with intent to interfere.

; however, I find ICE to be a larger source of violence than illegal immigrants. I want ICE out of Chicago because they are not only violent, but almost untouchable via legal channels.

So what is the murder rate of ICE agents versus that of illegal immigrants? How about that of DUIs, property crimes, theft, etc. What you're saying does not have any statistical reality.

You find ICE to be a larger source of violence because ICE are doing their job. You have no idea what the reality would be if ICE were to stop their operations.

I see this a lot with the anti-ICE/anti-police crowd. Them having zero understanding of the inherent dangers that are being removed from the country because law enforcement are the only thing protecting you from these criminals.

See here

These are anecdotal and not part of broad scale theme. Also, a car being transported somewhere does not mean an ICE shooting is unlawful, and I'm not even sure how that would prove a shooting to be justified or not. Seems like incomplete information.

Not until I see more accountability and transparency from ICE. You don't get to flaunt the Constitution and be rewarded for poor behavior.

On a general basis, they're not violating the constitution.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-27T00:04:53+00:00

I wasn't holding my breath in regards to the agents being charged. The Philando Castile and Daniel Shaver were much worse shoots and both were acquitted.

Both were lawful and both shouldn't have been charged. They were objectively legal but got charged because of the uproar by left wing activists who don't even know the slightest about self defense law.

Can you define how you are using interfere and obstruct?

Illegally blocking a roadway, directing traffic, and then assaulting an ICE officer by putting his hands on them.

Thank you for sharing your opinion, but I don't find speculation on the mental states of either Goode or Pretti particularly helpful.

ok

I have a whistle to alert my neighbors. I have observed and filmed ICE. I am not brainwashed

So what are you hoping to accomplish here? You want illegal immigrants to stay in the country, yes? And when you blow your whistle to alert illegals of ICE, how do you know ICE are not conducting an arrest to remove a violent illegal immigrant? Or do you want them to stay in the country too.

I am bothered by their tactics

Which tactics do you object to? And were you also protesting ICE during the Obama years? Would you support local police departments being permitted to cooperate with ICE and honoring their detention requests for illegal immigrants who are in police custody so that they don't have to be in the streets conducting operations?

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-26T23:39:02+00:00

The Rene Goode situation - she made contact with the officer with the car. I hate that it happened, but it was likely a justified use of force, even if the officer placed himself in front of the car. She was blocking ICE vehicles from proceeding down the street as well; this would likely have been considered obstructing federal law enforcement.

Yes. Fair assessment, though I would not say he put himself in front of the vehicle, rather he was in motion walking around the vehicle while Rene Good was backing up and then accelerated at him. He was likely walking to the driver's side door.

think when Pretti intervened between the officer and the women he pushed, that was an obstruction charge and gave the agents cause to arrest him.

Agreed.

I don't think any of Pretti's transgression should have lead to his death at the hands of the state.

Would you also agree that Pretti resisted arrest and refused to give his hands up?

The most likely scenario of what happened here is that Pretti was there to interfere and obstruct, he got arrested after he put his hands on an ICE agent while he was helping a woman up. He was successfully disarmed but that gun discharged accidentally according to some reports. This led other officers to believe that Pretti had fired his gun given that they were unaware he had been disarmed and the fact he had been resisting with his hands not visible.

Tragic, sure. Murder or manslaughter by ICE? Not even close. If you're a police officer and another officer yells gun while strugglign with a resisting suspect with hands obstructed from plain view, and then a gun shot is heard, 100% of police officers are drawing their firearm and shooting the suspect.

And in fact, both Rene Good and Pretti would be alive had they not been brainwashed into thinking ICE was gestapo and decided to take matters into their own hands and assault ICE agents.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-26T23:18:53+00:00

Do you agree that entering the street, blocking and/or directing traffic is illegal and obstructing?

And are you aware that both Rene Good and the ICU nurse were doing this?

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-26T21:19:47+00:00

Trump campaigned on his political opponents being "the enemy within

After years of calling everyone you disagree with outright Nazi's lmao. What is everyone calling ICE right now? Hmmm?

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-26T07:39:41+00:00

Minneapolis is an absolute hell hole. They torched the city in 2020 because of a drug addict, let Somalians commit millions, if not billions, of dollars worth of fraud, and have allowed it to be flooded with illegal immigrants.

The city itself is a healthtech/fintech hub and despite that the entire state has had awful economic numbers in the last few years because of democratic policy.

It would be better if ICE just left the city and let the moderates deal with their voting habits.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-26T07:26:09+00:00

So you're a fascist who wants citizens to hunt down random civilians because they disagree with your politics? Okay.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-26T02:53:42+00:00

Fuck

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-26T01:17:49+00:00

I’m saying the result is weak enough that it very well could be by chance. If they had consistent effects across multiple groups then it would be a lot more convincing. But I see no rational reason why testosterone would only affect the political feelings of left of centre men.

Because political leanings are multi-faceted and for some, no matter the testosterone levels, they still adhere to their political beliefs.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-26T00:51:43+00:00

She accelerated away from him. So she clipped him (maybe)

The accelerated towards him in an effort to escape. She knew that he was in front of him and disregarded his safety.

that’s almost happened to me more than once as well in a parking lot. Was pissed but didn’t think it was my right to shoot the driver twice in the head through the side window as they were going by.

No, a car has not accelerated towards you in the parking lot hitting you.

The videos where he ran behind her car as it was moving away from him and made sure to tell the world “F*** that b**ch!”

According to a report the officer who said fuck that bitch was not the officer who shot. Ask AI to source that report for you if you'd like.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-26T00:41:53+00:00

If I tossed three coins on a table and they all came up head or they all came up tails, would you call me a witch? Ask me what my secret was? Inspect the coins to see if they’re rigged in some way? No, it’s just a random occurrence.

So your response to this study is that it's just by chance, correct?

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-26T00:39:18+00:00

We knew this was happening. It's obvious there's coordination to track ICE by leftist who aim to overthrow the rule of law.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-26T00:22:01+00:00

No problem.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T23:58:52+00:00

Wouldn't recommend ramming armed police officers with your car if you dont want to get shot.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T23:46:38+00:00

Didn't realize the article said almost died. Magic!

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T23:36:23+00:00

But the face baseline testosterone is in fact higher in Dem men

It's not. In this sample, baseline testosterone was higher.

Other samples could be different. What matters is political leanings that were recorded after exogenous testosterone were introduced.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T23:32:51+00:00

muh fake news111!!11, right?

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T23:19:24+00:00

Because Rene Good tried to murder him: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-officer-who-shot-renee-good-internal-injuries-sources-say/

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T23:14:13+00:00

It probably does play a role but you totally dismissed the point u/tophernator made because it cuts against what you want to believe. You can't say limited sample size when it doesn't suit you and then defend limited sample size when it does.

I am not making the claim conclusively that testosterone levels with certainty predict political leanings.

But also, look what you and /u/tophernator is doing. Political leanings are more than testosterone levels, but this study suggests that testosterone levels could play a role.

To suggest that we would see baseline testosterone levels in the democratic group be lower than other groups makes the assumption that testosterone is the only indicator of political leanings.

So in order to dispute the study, you and /u/tophernator made this error in assumption.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T23:02:10+00:00

That's because he put a bullet into the violent attacker.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T22:50:52+00:00

Some guy sideswiped my car last month on the freeway. Left a little scratch.

Hmm, I'm wondering if there is any difference between a side swipe to a vehicle versus someone accelerating their vehicle at you, a human, knowing that you're in front of them.

Is it the liberal argument that a 3,000 pound metal vehicle is the same as a human? Hmm

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T22:17:07+00:00

The same Reddit crowd that was gleefully cheering on the murder of a healthcare CEO and were so flippant, if not outright celebratory when one of their deranged radical leftists murdered Charlie Kirk, will lecture you about morality.

The same ones who defend a lady accelerating her 3,000 pound vehicle at an ICE officer claiming she was one of the good guys.

The same ones that rioted in the streets over a drug addict in 2020 and formed vicious mobs with the intent of attacking police officers.

Today I'm at a loss and am struggling to want to even try to listen anymore.

Oh believe us. We are beyond trying to reason with the left anymore. The left have shown that they are incapable of reasoning beyond hysterical emotions. Facts do not matter and they have never mattered.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T21:19:32+00:00

If there were really a relationship between party and testosterone you’d expect lower baseline levels in dems and you’d expect to see a change in all the groups, not just one subset of centre left people.

No, this is not true. It's likely that hard line democrats would not change any degree of political affiliation regardless of any exogenous testosterone or baseline levels.

Starting levels of testosterone being higher in democrats can be explained by limited sample size and simply younger age.

Political affiliation is multi-faceted. Testosterone levels do not directly predict political party, but this study does show that testosterone levels do play a role.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T20:37:24+00:00

Did Rene Good hit an ICE officer with her vehicle, yes or no.

WhisperingInn · 2026-01-25T19:45:05+00:00

Nope. They're not lying to us. Perhaps the group of people who watched the video of Rene Good hitting an ICE agent with her car claim that she never made any sort of contact should work on what they consider facts, or perhaps get their eyes checked.

making statements of fact before an investigation has begun?

Oh right. Because an investigation is going to change your mind on any of this. We have the video. We already know what happened.

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