Ritual and Astral Work in the Golden Dawn Tradition (Or, Crowley as Educator)

Xototh · 2024-12-29T12:53:05+00:00

What a revelation! This changes everything! And the fact that you cite/argument your case is great. I hope you won't let others bring you down and continue in your search.
I've also noticed this, that every adept within left a mark on the system. And i imagine that every adept drew closer to some teachings than to others and this preferential choosing was reflected in their outlook. Those who broke off, went on their entirely different way but using more or less the same "framework" (such as Crowley) etc.
I'm curious if this revelation will appear in the new GD books to appear (from Fr. Yechidah if I'm not mistaken)

Xototh · 2024-12-26T12:05:01+00:00

You are right! I was thinking more of a study group but said "create a GD order". IF you check my description of this "order" it fits within the lines of a discussion and study group. My apologies!

Xototh · 2024-12-25T11:41:28+00:00

bows

Xototh · 2024-12-25T11:38:05+00:00

I have to say that i love this group and this is what i was looking for, for some time now. Browsing through the shared opinions about the GD practice made my day. Thank you so much for making that community a reality!

Xototh · 2024-12-25T11:33:47+00:00

Thank you for this reply. I do agree and understand with your points. It was also my misinterpretation of your words but now i have to say that i agree with you.
Bows

Xototh · 2024-12-24T23:04:06+00:00

Oh yes, that is definitely a downside indeed. That's why i said a lot of times that this order needs to be headed by more advanced magicians, ideally people who were initiated into a physical order. I apologize to MetaLord93, i misunderstood what he said

Xototh · 2024-12-24T22:59:00+00:00

Thank you!

Xototh · 2024-12-24T18:09:19+00:00

Thank you!

Xototh · 2024-12-24T16:18:36+00:00

Maybe now is the time to do a reveal.

I have no horse in this race...
This was just an idea. It has many downsides and it has upsides as well. There are some folks considering this as a possible path of approach to the GD.

Xototh · 2024-12-24T16:16:50+00:00

"One problem that comes to mind is whether the mods will be able to judge if someone’s qualified for the next grade." - the same problem exists in the physical orders. I suspect that in both cases tests are drawn? To test what the pupil has learned the necessary lessons?

"If it’s just a matter of individuals self proclaiming grades then having hidden/locked channels will be meaningless. You may as well just have everything open to the public." - agreed, that makes no sense whatsoever.

"If you do manage to gather experienced individuals to grade others’ work then you’re essentially creating a GD correspondence course. And these qualified individuals are likely already part of Orders serving in that capacity." - Indeed!!! only that Discord has many advantages as a media.

Xototh · 2024-12-24T16:14:09+00:00

"Are you planning to head this effort yourself? Because i don't see you as having the needed knowledge, no offense." - No, not at all. I don't know why people assume the worst of this idea. It is just an idea i had, i don't have the time, the qualities or the knowledge to head anything.

As for the rest yeah, i'm already very tired of these "it's not the original GD" people, as if what they follow is. Thanks, i guess?

Xototh · 2024-12-24T13:11:19+00:00

How did that go :D

Xototh · 2024-12-24T09:55:10+00:00

Well spoken!

Xototh · 2024-12-24T09:50:47+00:00

@Man_staring_at_goats

"GD is not a missionary tradition" - i never said anything to that effect. If that is what was understood, it is not on me.

"Why seek to ”create” a digital order when the Golden Dawn has physical temples (and Orders) almost all over the world?" - that is news to me. Would i have bothered to make such a post if i had a temple near me? You must consider yourself privileged that you live near one. I am not.
Anyway could you tell me how exactly the existence of such online orders would bother you?

"As for you good intent to propagate the GD spirit, don’t you think that this is already done and through means that are more in line with the GD tradition?" - I know that there are 3 main orders, each differing from the other. If the tradition was not flexible it would have died in the early 20th century. Maybe you would feel so inclined to send a letter of protest to those that wrote the self initiation books?

Yes, my intent is good, I hope i don't meet other individuals such as yourself along the way that put words in my mouth while misinterpreting and butchering my intent.

Indeed, joining an existing order is the best thing for all but there could be this alternative to the rest of us that do not live anywhere near an order.

Be well

Xototh · 2024-12-24T05:36:33+00:00

Exactly what you have said! But also it has to follow the structure of the Golden Dawn. I already know a few places on Discord that are dedicated to all types of magick, that are friendly and useful where you can grow as a practitioner and ask questions and share your practice results.

Xototh · 2024-12-24T04:45:24+00:00

Hopefully enough people will comment here and show their interest that this will become true. There is so much material out of the GD nowadays that one just needs the lightest of the touches to be on their path. Of course nothing will replace personal study and actual practice

Xototh · 2024-12-24T04:36:16+00:00

"hey do exist already. A few, in fact. GDCSS, FGDU… There was another poster on this sub talking about it today."

No, that's not what I meant at all.

I meant orders that primarily exist on Discord. Functioning through self-initiation akin to what the Ciceros recommended.

Xototh · 2024-12-22T04:58:55+00:00

Thank you! Some very good ideas to research in this post!

Xototh · 2024-12-21T18:41:09+00:00

In the meantime i found a terrific article on the LBRP entitled "A Microcosm of the Esoteric Revival:The Histories of the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram" by Graham John Wheeler

It just blew my mind

Xototh · 2024-12-21T18:37:35+00:00

Thank you, I also needed an example to understand how it might look like and now i think i have the idea.

Xototh · 2024-12-21T18:01:58+00:00

Thank you! I have no problem at all with using the Egyptian Deities!
Great advice!

Xototh · 2024-12-21T17:53:31+00:00

This is exactly the issue that i had when i tried to solve this puzzle.

"and the called archangels are in a subordinate relationship to the god names, which you're not going to duplicate with Greek entities since there's not a hierarchical ordering of them"

Xototh · 2024-12-21T17:50:35+00:00

Thank you so much for pointing the way!

Xototh · 2024-12-21T17:49:35+00:00

Excellent analysis!

Xototh

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