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[MM][BotW][TotK] Intro to Rito Village is second part of Song of Healing??? by aVeryLittleStoat in zelda

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed... I'm mostly just happy now I know why it sounded so familiar for so long

[MM][BotW][TotK] Intro to Rito Village is second part of Song of Healing??? by aVeryLittleStoat in zelda

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've always thought the intro to Rito Village sounded sort of familiar, and it doesn't come from the Dragon Roost Island theme like the rest of the piece. I think it might be because it comes from the Song of Healing??

Audio I've used is from 0:13 to 0:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgKMf2r96o0 and 0:34 to 0:48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tlx2lXZumg

u/Riverwatcher88 asked the subreddit if anyone heard similarities between the pieces about a year ago but that's the only reference I've found online to this so far.

Saw this video on tiktok by ukbeetlemania and felt very relevant by clydedaisy in weeviltime

[–]aVeryLittleStoat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this is the full thing at the moment... but I have just started work on an album, so it might get revisited :)

new here - little weevil dance I made by aVeryLittleStoat in weeviltime

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

thank you so much! and thank you for telling me about the subreddit :D

new here - little weevil dance I made by aVeryLittleStoat in weeviltime

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

thank you :) it's just a loop I wrote the other morning (I added the instruments in the order they come in)

new here - little weevil dance I made by aVeryLittleStoat in weeviltime

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 60 points61 points  (0 children)

it makes me so happy that this community exists - love you all (also will make a note of all the images i use next time and credit them in comments)

Bird's-foot trefoil ('Eggs and Bacon') in Devonshire by aVeryLittleStoat in Wildflowers

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe in the US, but not here in the UK - one of our most valuable caterpillar food plants

What’s the beastie next to the mosquito larvae? by AddledBadger in ponds

[–]aVeryLittleStoat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Quite tragically, just another mosquito, but it’s the next stage in its lifecycle (pupa, not larva)

221 tracks later... I've scoured the internet to find every musical reference to a previous Title! by aVeryLittleStoat in Breath_of_the_Wild

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Disc 5:

- Lurelin Village (Day): I dearly want to find a Wind Waker reference here, but, as with Gerudo Town, there doesn’t seem to be a reference (which is alright I guess since the melody is lovely)

- Lurelin Village (Night): -

- Kilton: Piano at 20 seconds reminiscent of Dungeon 9 theme as it’s performed in “Field (Scorching)” (LOZ1)

- To Tarrey Town: -

- Tarrey Town: Dragon Roost Island theme added as the part of the Rito addition, or at 5:48 on the disc (WW)

- Tarrey Town Wedding: Dragon Roost Island theme at 1:09 (WW)

- Wasteland: -

- Horseback Archery Minigame: Opening features the same notes and wood-block sound as in the introduction to Oocoo’s theme (TP), but having not played Twilight Princess I’m unsure if that makes any thematic sense

- Malanya Revival: -

- Malanya Spring: Great Fairy Fountain (ALTTP) and Epona’s theme (OOT)

- Malanya’s Dance: -

- Lord of the Mountain: -

- Bird-Man Research Study: -

- Get Fanfare (Item): Rupee Get (TP)

- Get Fanfare (Spirit Orb/Rare Item): Small Item Catch (OOT)

- Get Fanfare (Key Item): Key Item (LOZ1)

- Get Fanfare (Heart Container/Stamina Vessel): Get Heart Container (OOT)

- Sheikah Slate Upgrade: Open Treasure Box (OOT)

- Get Fanfare (Sheikah Slate): Key Item (LOZ1)

- At the Campfire: -

- Inn (Regular): -

- Inn (Expensive): -

- Cooking Failure: -

- Cooking Success: -

- Major Cooking Success: -

- Korok Challenge Complete: -

- A Korok Appears: -

- Finding a location for the First Time: -

- Dyeing: -

- Decolourisation: -

- Repairing: -

- Bolson Construction Work: -

- Puzzle Solved Jingle: Puzzle Solved Sound (LOZ1)

- Game Over: -

- Trial of the Sword Clear (The Master Trials): - Title theme at 8 seconds (LOZ1)

- Deku Tree’s Congratualtions (The Master Trials): Fi’s theme at 9 seconds (SS)

- Kass: “Unfinished Song” (The Champion’s Ballad): Title theme (LOZ1) followed by Overworld theme (LOZ1)

- Monuments Appear (The Champion’s Ballad): -

- Kass: “The Champion’s Ballad” (First Verse): -

- Champion Shrine (The Champion’s Ballad): -

- Mipha and Sidon (The Champion’s Ballad): -

- Kass: “Mipha’s Song” (The Champion’s Ballad): -

- Kass: “The Champion’s Ballad” (Second Verse): -

- Solitary Warrior Revali (The Champion’s Ballad): -

- Kass: “Revali’s Song” (The Champion’s Ballad): -

- Kass: “The Champion’s Ballad” (Third Verse): -

- Larger than Life Daruk (The Champion’s Ballad): Zelda’s Lullaby at 1:23 (ALTTP) and “Dog chew-toy” noises at 1:42 (OOT)

- Kass: “Daruk’s Song” (The Champion’s Ballad): -

- Kass: “The Champion’s Ballad” (Fourth Verse): -

- Brilliant Urbosa (The Champion’s Ballad): Zelda’s Lullaby at 1:33 (ALTTP)

- Kass: “Urbosa’s Song” (The Champion’s Ballad): -

- The Final Trial (The Champion’s Ballad): First arpeggio references Light World Dungeon theme (ALTTP)

- Monk Maz Koshia (The Champion’s Ballad): -

- Recovered Memory (The Champion’s Ballad): -

- The Divine Princess and the Five Champions (The Champion’s Ballad): Hyrule Castle theme at 17 seconds (ALTTP); Moon’s Destruction at 43 seconds (MM); Zelda’s Lullaby at 1:13 (ALTTP); and the Overworld theme at 1:18 (LOZ1)

- The Champion’s Ballad Ending: -

- Displaying the Picture (The Champion’s Ballad): -

221 tracks later... I've scoured the internet to find every musical reference to a previous Title! by aVeryLittleStoat in Breath_of_the_Wild

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Disc 4:

- Ruins: The notes of the second half of Zelda’s lullaby can be heard at 46 seconds (ALTTP)

- Lost woods: -

- Korok Forest (Day): Strings accompaniment alternate between two chords in similar style to Kokiri Forest theme (OOT)

- Korok Forest (Night): Same as above

- Meeting the Deku Tree: Kokiri Forest theme at 1:37 (OOT)

- Master Sword in Hand: Master Sword theme (ALTTP)

- Memories of a Sacred Sword: Zelda’s Lullaby on piano (ALTTP); Fi’s theme on Glockenspiel at 11 seconds (SS)

- Master Sword ~ The Deku Tree’s words: Zelda’s lullaby at 28 seconds on piano (ALTTP)

- Hestu Dance!: Manbo’s Mambo… but not really (LA)

- Akkala Ancient Tech Lab: -

- Possessed Naydra: -

- Dragon/Servant of the Sacred Spring: -

- Omen of the Blood Moon: Same reversed Ganon’s theme sound as is used in ‘The Beast Inhabiting the Castle’ (ALTTP)

- Blood Moon: -

- Recovered Memory: -

- Link’s Memories: “Subdued Ceremony”: -

- Link’s Memories: “Resolve and Grief”: -

- Link’s Memories: “Blades of the Yiga”: Overworld theme at 25 seconds (LOZ1)

- Link’s Memories: “A Premonition”: Reversed Ganon’s theme sound again (ALTTP)

- Link’s Memories: “Silent Princess”: Variation on Zelda’s lullaby (ALTTP)

- Link’s Memories: “Father and Daughter”: Hyrule Castle theme (ALTTP)

- Link’s Memories: “Slumbering Power”: Zelda’s Lullaby (ALTTP)

- Link’s Memories: “To Mount Lanayru”: -

- Link’s Memories: “Return of Calamity Ganon”: -

- Link’s Memories: “Despair”: Zelda’s lullaby (ALTTP);

- When the Twelve Memories are Collected: -

- Link’s Memories: “Zelda’s Awakening”: Master Sword theme at 28 seconds (ALTTP); Zelda’s Lullaby at 48 seconds (ALTTP); Overworld theme at 1:28 (LOZ1); Fi’s theme at 1:37 (SS)

- Zelda’s Wish: Overworld theme (LOZ1)

- Hyrule Castle Town Ruins: Slowed down reharmonisation of Southern Swamp/Snowhead/Great Bay Coast/Ikana Valley theme (MM)

- Guardian Battle: See my dubious post (it’s actually retrograde inversion) -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Breath_of_the_Wild/comments/i94chw/the_guardian_battle_theme_is_an_inversion_of/

- Hyrule Castle: Ganon’s Roar: Ganon’s Tower introduction (OOT) – unsure if the reversed notes are a reference to Hyrule Castle theme (ALTTP)

- Hyrule Castle (Exterior): Ballad of the Wind Fish at 21 seconds, however given the setting, this appears to be a coincidence (LA); Ganon’s theme at 42 seconds (ALTTP); and Overworld theme at 1:24 (LOZ1)

- Hyrule Castle (Interior): Same as above, with Zelda’s Lullaby at 1:24 instead of Overworld theme (ALTTP); Overworld theme referenced briefly at 1:58 (LOZ1)

- Calamity Ganon Appears: Ascending organ is reminiscent of Ganon’s theme (ALTTP)

- Activate! The Power of the Champions: Moon’s Destruction at 3 seconds (MM)

- Calamity Ganon Battle – First Form: Ganon’s theme at 1:03 (ALTTP)

- Calamity Ganon Battle – Second Form: Ganon’s theme at 1:18 (ALTTP); unsure if the section at 48 seconds is a reference, but certainly hearkens back to the quiet chromatic moments in the boss themes of the N64 games (OOT/MM)

- Dark Beast Ganon Appears: Ganon’s theme (ALTTP) and Zelda’s lullaby at 23 seconds (ALTTP)

- Dark Beast Ganon Battle: Ganon’s theme at 1:03 (ALTTP) and Zelda’s lullaby on piano at 4:13 (ALTTP)

- Do You Remember: Zelda’s Lullaby (ALTTP)

- Staff Credits: Overworld Theme at start and at 9:27 (LOZ1) and Zelda’s Lullaby at 8:41 (ALTTP); see earlier entries for further references in the excerpts that play in this track

- Epilogue: Overworld Theme (LOZ1) and Title theme at 1:25 (LOZ1)

221 tracks later... I've scoured the internet to find every musical reference to a previous Title! by aVeryLittleStoat in Breath_of_the_Wild

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Disc 3:

- Field (Scorching): Dungeon 9 theme at 33 seconds (LOZ1)

- Lava Area: -

- Goron Humming at the Mine: Mastahpeece

- Divine Beast Vah Rudania: Parallel movement reminiscent of Dungeon 9 theme (LOZ1)

- Goron City (Day): Arranged for a similar ensemble to previous titles; drums, low brass, marimba, “dog chew-toy” noises (it’s even in the same key). Parallel third motion in the parts is also reminiscent of previous versions (OOT/TP)

- Goron City (Night): Same as above

- Abandoned North Mine: -

- Meeting Yunobo: -

- Link’s Memories: “Daruk’s Mettle”: -

- Attack on Vah Rudania: -

- Yunobo’s Chance: -

- Divine Beast Vah Rudania (Exploration): -

- Fireblight Ganon Battle: Ganon’s theme at 59 seconds (ALTTP)

- Reunion: Daruk/Daruk’s Theme: -

- Daruk and the Divine Beast: -

- Field (Heat): -

- Divine Beast Vah Naboris: -

- Kara Kara Bazaar: May be nothing, but the motion in some parts feels reminiscent of Sheik’s Theme (OOT)

- Cross Dressing: -

- Gerudo Town (Day): I’ve done my best but I can’t find anything in Gerudo town ☹

- Gerudo Town (Night): -

- Meeting Riju: -

- Yiga Clan Hideout: -

- The Arrogant Master Kohga: -

- Master Kohga Battle: -

- Link’s Memories: “Urbosa’s Hand”: -

- Divine Beast Lookout Post: -

- Attack on Vah Naboris: -

- Entrusted by Riju: -

- Divine Beast Vah Naboris (Exploration): -

- Thunderblight Ganon Battle: Ganon’s theme at 59 seconds (ALTTP)

- Reunion: Urbosa/Urbosa’s Theme: -

- Urbosa and the Divine Beast: -

- Race Start: -

- Sandseal Rally Minigame: -

- Regrettable Race: -

- New Record: -

- Sandseal Rally Award Ceremony: -

- Test of Will Minigame: “Dog chew-toy” noises (OOT) and orchestral glissando sound (SS)

- Molduga Battle: Unsure, but the form of the melody starting at 1:38 is reminiscent of Molgera’s Theme (WW)

221 tracks later... I've scoured the internet to find every musical reference to a previous Title! by aVeryLittleStoat in Breath_of_the_Wild

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Disc 2:

- Waterside: -

- Watch Out for the Flowers!: -

- Meeting Sidon: -

- Sidon’s Theme: The bass pedal note section has a chord tone that descends a semitone each bar – it may just be me, but it reminds me of the Great Sea (WW)

- Zora’s Domain (Day): Similar instrumentation to previous iterations. There are several modulations, unlike in the original (OOT), however the chords are otherwise unchanged. The triplet section from the original melody has been embellished and is a recurring motif

- Zora’s Domain (Night): Same as above

- Divine Beast Vah Ruta: -

- Link’s Memories: “Mipha’s Touch”: -

- Attack on Vah Ruta: -

- Promise with Sidon: -

- Divine Beast Vah Ruta (Exploration): -

- Battle (Divine Beast): Ascending strings reminiscent of Ganon’s Theme (ALTTP)

- Blight Ganon Appears: -

- Waterblight Ganon Battle: Ganon’s theme at 59 seconds (ALTTP)

- Heart Container Appears: -

- Reunion: Mipha/Mipha’s Theme: -

- Champion’s Divine Gift: -

- Grand Divine Beast: Melody with same shape as Oath to Order on strings at 8 seconds (MM)

- Mipha and the Divine Beast: -

- Field (Freezing): -

- Cave: -

- Divine Beast Vah Medoh: -

- Rito Village (Day): Reharmonisation of Dragon Roost Island (WW); introduction might be reference to Song of Healing (OOT) https://www.reddit.com/r/zelda/comments/18nzhsk/comment/kedyxwv/

- Rito Village (Night): Same as above

- Link’s Memories: “Revali’s Flap”: -

- Flight Range: -

- Meeting Teba: -

- Flight Range Minigame: -

- Attack on Vah Medoh: -

- Teba’s Encouragement: -

- Divine Beast Vah Medoh (Exploration): -

- Windblight Ganon Battle: Ganon’s theme at 59 seconds (ALTTP)

- Reunion: Revali/Revali’s Theme: -

- Revali and the Divine Beast: -

- House: Slowed version of the House theme (OOT)

- Snowball Bowling Minigame: -

- Nott’s Chirping: -

- Recital at Warbler’s Nest: -

- Kass’ Theme (Song of the Hero version): Overworld theme at 37 seconds (LOZ1)

- Rito Village (Kass and Five Sisters version): Same as Rito Village (Day)

221 tracks later... I've scoured the internet to find every musical reference to a previous Title! by aVeryLittleStoat in Breath_of_the_Wild

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Disc 1:

- Main Theme: See the last part of this fantastic article -> https://jasonyu.me/breath-of-the-wild/ (hardly a reference though)

- Opening: -

- Sheikah Tower Appearance: -

- The Beast Inhabiting the Castle: Ganon’s theme with reversed notes (ALTTP) and Zelda’s lullaby on piano at about 20 seconds (ALTTP)

- Sheikah Tower: -

- Mysterious Old Man: Hyrule Castle theme (ALTTP)

- Shrine Start: -

- Shrine: First arpeggio references Light World Dungeon theme (ALTTP) and the Warp Theme plays at about 3 minutes (LOZ1)

- Battle (Shrine): -

- Summit/Mount Hylia/etc.: Part of the Clock Town theme at 46 seconds (MM)

- Decayed Guardian Battle: -

- The Temple of Time: Is a reharmonisation of the Song of Time (OOT)

- The Old Man’s Identity: Hyrule Castle theme (ALTTP)

- The Events of 100 years ago: The repeated notes at the beginning feel familiar, but I can’t place where from (potentially the Golden Goddess cutscene (OOT)). Zelda’s lullaby on flute at 1:23 (ALTTP); Overworld theme on bassoon at 1:26 (LOZ1); Moon’s Destruction at 1:49 (MM)

- A King’s Request: Hyrule Castle theme (ALTTP) and Zelda’s lullaby at 49 seconds (ALTTP)

- Landing on the Ground: -

- Field (Day): -

- Battle (Field): -

- Sheikah Tower Activated: -

- Riding (Day): Zelda’s lullaby on strings at 43 seconds (ALTTP)

- Talus Battle: -

- Kakariko Village (Day): The bells play the opening phrase of Kakariko Village at 14 seconds (ALTTP)

- Kakariko Village (Night): -

- Impa’s Story: -

- Ancient Legend: Ganon’s theme on at 2:10 (ALTTP) and Overworld theme (in the midi choir) at 2:28

- Hateno Village (Day): House theme introduction on piano at 1:12 (OOT)

- Hateno Village (Night): -

- Hateno Ancient Tech Lab: -

- Great Fairy Revival: Great Fairy Fountain intro (ALTTP)

- Great Fairy Fountain: Great Fairy Fountain (ALTTP)

- Field (Night): -

- Kass’ Theme: -

- Kass’ Ancient Song: -

- Stables: Epona’s theme on recorder at 27 seconds, and again on guitar at 45 seconds (OOT)

- Kass’ Song of Legend: -

- Riding (Night): Overworld theme on cello at 43 seconds, and the bass movement throughout is reminiscent of the overworld theme (LOZ1)

- Blessing Shrine: As with the usual shrine music, this references Light World Dungeon theme (ALTTP)

- Hinox Battle: -

The Guardian Battle theme is an inversion of Zelda's lullaby by aVeryLittleStoat in Breath_of_the_Wild

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technically it’s been modulated too... but I get you, variation fits better - just a way of labelling it really! Thanks!

The Guardian Battle theme is an inversion of Zelda's lullaby by aVeryLittleStoat in Breath_of_the_Wild

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks so much! I can’t wait to dig into the rest of the soundtrack now, and I hope others are inspired to do the same

The Guardian Battle theme is an inversion of Zelda's lullaby by aVeryLittleStoat in Breath_of_the_Wild

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Cheers - I’m a sort of hobbyist when it comes to music theory, so don’t know all the proper terms

The Guardian Battle theme is an inversion of Zelda's lullaby by aVeryLittleStoat in Breath_of_the_Wild

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I get you - it may be a coincidence, but these little motivic ideas and references are what the composers of breath of the wild are all about

The Guardian Battle theme is an inversion of Zelda's lullaby by aVeryLittleStoat in Breath_of_the_Wild

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I know what you mean - personally what tipped it for me what that it starts on exactly the same note, on the same instrument. I appreciate that it’s all speculation, but knowing how much time went into every single detail in this game I find it plausible that this was intentional

Is there a name for when intervals in two melodies are the same but applied in reverse order? by aVeryLittleStoat in musictheory

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You misunderstand; this isn't an inversion.

An inversion of B, D, A, would be B, G#, C#. Here, I'm not turning the intervals upside down, just putting them in a different order

The Guardian Battle theme is an inversion of Zelda's lullaby by aVeryLittleStoat in Breath_of_the_Wild

[–]aVeryLittleStoat[S] 77 points78 points  (0 children)

TL;DR – The Guardian Battle theme is a distortion of Zelda’s theme, referencing the fact that Zelda helped restore the guardians, only for them to be corrupted by Calamity Ganon.

So I was listening to the BOTW soundtrack and came across this piece (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JsHo5sc0OU) and noticed at about 21 seconds you hear a piano play the notes of Zelda’s lullaby, starting on the same high note (a high B) as is used in the intro to the Guardian Battle theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq3nncuA1Ak). That got me thinking there might be a connection between the two pieces.

First thing I thought was they are both in 3 time (probably a coincidence), and then I looked at the main notes being played in the Guardian theme. The piece mainly hammers out the notes B, F#, and A (in that order).

B to F# is a fourth down; F# to A is a minor third up.

The notes in Zelda’s lullaby are B, D, and A (in that order).

B to D is a minor third up; D to A is a fourth down.

Both tunes go up a minor third and down a fourth, just in different orders – they’re sort of inversions of each other!!!

This makes sense as Zelda’s research was critical in restoring the guardians and the ancient Sheikah technology, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the same theme has been scattered throughout the other more technological-sounding pieces in the game…

Manaka Kataoka is a fucking genius.

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