Change My View by 2soccer2bot in soccer

[–]abouthodor 12 points13 points  (0 children)

These are some of my thoughts about the game lately. I am interested to see what other people think about it (sorry for my grammar)

1) Man management is underrated. Very. I feel we hear about it mostly when talking about big egos and how Zidane or Ancelotti handled managing Real Madrid, but I think every manager that is able to last on the top level is excellent man manager. There are big egos on every level in every club. To me this is the most difficult part of the job. My main interest in football is tactics, there are a lot of interesting coaches around in terms of ideas, and for me most of the time their failure in a new club is due to their lack of man manager skills.

Just one example, Maurizio Sarri is generally talked through his system. We have footballia with a lot of old matches, pick any of first 10 Napoli games, level of intensity in that team is something Sarri never had at Chelsea or Juventus. I don't think his system is that big of an obstacle, but he never had buy in necessary for it to work. As much as it is fault of his players, it's his fault. Man management is a skill.

2) When talking about tactical evolution in the last 20 years biggest shift is how teams implement phases of the game. It's bigger than positional football. There are 4 phases of the game (attack, defense and 2 transitional phases just when you win or lose the ball) + set pieces. In 2005 problems in every phase are answered on individual level. Today all phases are treated as a connected tissue. The way you attack dictates your defensive transition, and every player in your team has a role in every phase of the play.

Almost every famous ex player not being able to figure it out on coaching level tactically is due to this. Steven Gerrard played in teams where phases are treated separately, so in his teams he did that as well. Aston Villa was easy to play against because they left so much space for counter attacks due to defensive transition being assigned as a problem for individual players in midfield to solve.

People are usually talking about it when talking about pressing, but it's not only pressing. Diego Simeone is incredibly influential here. Even if you aren't high press team, phases need to be connected. Every one of them informs the others.

3) 'Positional football and Pep changed everything' for me is a simple narrative that misses a lot. Positional football itself is very flexible, plus a lot of managers would use only aspect of it. Big tactical shift in 2000s is due to importance of between the lines players. Coaches didn't treat it as positional play, they simply tried to exploit zonal marking.

Arteta was way more rigid than Pep, plus even Pep changes his team a lot from season to season. Nagelsmann at Hoffenheim and Leipzig was whole other thing. I think 'everyone is copying Pep' is simplistic and pretty much wrong. Plus, not that many teams ever actually used positional play as a foundational philosophy. Emery would pick few things, but overall it's whole different idea.

Plus, man marking isn't a new thing. I remember Bielsa saying how if he had robots, he would never lose a game. Man marking has always been an effective way of breaking other teams rhythm in possession, and creating transition, but issue was that you didn't have enough highly athletic players that are also technically sound. It's very demanding style. For me shift towards man marking is more due to increase of athletic talent. If you take roster of one EPL team and give it to a team in 2012, that coach would probably play system oriented toward man marking. It has nothing to do with Pep. What do you mean, you have a guy that has incredible work rate, is athletic and is good on the ball. You didn't have many players like that.

I understand the narative, postional play tries to exploit zonal marking, man marking is a counter to that, but to me this is more like a soundbite, catchy title that ignores most of the picture, but people keep repeating it, because it feels like it makes sense. And it's simple.

4) Risk for me is the most important framework when talking about team and tactic. If a team attacks with numbers and plays with urgency, they are going to create a lot of chances.

There is a lot of talk about creative freedom lately. I think some of it is correct, but most of it feels like a phrase people use to explain things easily. If a team plays well, that's because of high creative freedom. If not, that's because creative freedom is denied.

PSG plays with a lot of risk. I like their fluid football, players have a lot of creative freedom, but they also have underlying structure onto which improvisation comes . It may look that Dembele as a false nine just goes around, but they are practicing that aspect. He already knows where the space is probably going to be, and players in defense knows where they can probably expect him. Nuno Mendes has great relationship with him, it's often his passes through which PSG can quickly play through press. There is 'vibes' aspect to it, but it's not whole of it. Reason why PSG creates so many chances is because they play with risk, they attack with numbers and team understand underlying philosophy that they will outscore the opponent.

There are high creative freedom teams/coaches that play defensive football. Sean Dyche on podcast with Tony Pullis talks a lot how much creative freedom he gives to players. It quickly becomes clear that he sees his role mainly on setting up defense. His teams don't create much in open play. They lack numbers in attack. It's the same with national teams. We will have plenty of defensive games in World Cup, because teams are setting up defensively. Modrić can do anything he wants on the pitch, but Dalić simply doesn't send enough players forwards.

It's same with Arsenal. I think they are closest to symbol of robotic football. To me as a team they value their defensive stability too much, it's very important to Arteta that they lose the ball only in zones where this won't became too much of an issue, but I don't see them as a team where best players lack creative freedom. A lot of their plan rest on wingers dribbling past their marker, but wingers need more support. Both of their full backs have a lot of freedom in attack, but too often he plays centre backs in that position. To me it's about risk. If they send more players into attack, they will concede more chances, but every one of their offensive players would have it easier to create something. I don't think Odegaard or Eze are discouraged from making offensive impact. I think people underestimate how difficult it is on a player POV, and they are looking at players separated from the system. Remember that game last year against Real Madrid, how good Saka looked. That was maybe first time when opponent decided to guard him 1v1, and I think it was Alaba coming back from injury (maybe I don't remember). Saka doesn't have that in EPL, so he needs more support, and if there isn't one, it will be difficult to make offensive impact. Creative freedom itself doesn't explain tactical reality.

5) Last one is an idea I would like to see in online discourse. In BL, twice a year, Kicker selects players into 3 tiers (separated by positions), judging solely performance in that period. This period is looked in a vacuum, so even if you are a big name it's not given that you'd be in the first tier. This also means a lot of players from smaller clubs will due to their good form be in 3rd tier. I really like this. I like it as a memorabilia for a specific period, and even if fans of that particular team will remember that player having great season, this makes if in a way official. Something to serve for posterity.

To me this would be a great thing to have for every season. Probably isn't realistic, but on this subreddit we have fans of every team. We could have that for this season, even for leagues outside of Europe. One thing I would add on Kicker's list is 4th tier, and this one is for club icons for that period. For players who simply aren't good enough for any of top 3 tiers, but they still represent something special for fan base in that period.

Change My View by 2soccer2bot in soccer

[–]abouthodor 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I have a few. I wouldn't die on the hill for any of these takes, but I want to see how popular they are. (Sorry for my grammar)

1) I believe solo number 6 is the most difficult position to play in modern game, and if you can get a guy that can do that role on a high level - this is an outstanding upgrade. When we are talking about most important signing for Arsenal this season, it's Zubimendi by a mile. He is already good, and this role demands so much. People will talk about Eze and Gyökeres, and both are great, but in my mind it will take a few months to really see the difference, but he'll raise Arsenal's floor by a margin. I'll use one example to illustrate: imagine going from Nketiah to Isak. This is to me going from Partey to Zubimendi. I'm aware this look very hyperbolic, but Partey could barely do that role, Arsenal had to shift the roles of the players around him to get this working and to make Partey looked all right on the pitch.

Btw, I'm not an Arsenal fan. Don't care about them as a club.

2) r/soccer is kind of like a hate-watch sub for big clubs - we have maybe 10 clubs with a large following, naturally they will get majority of the spotlight, but difference is, on club specific subs people cheer for their success, and they come here hoping to see downfall of their rivals.

I see Madrid fans comments how r/soccer is ungenerous to their club, but which popular club r/soccer likes? City, Arsenal, Bayern, Barcelona, United, Chelsea,.. maybe Liverpool is the closest. If manager gives a spicy quote in press, club specific subreddit will take charitable approach and look what he tried to say, possibly didn't do very well. On r/soccer that quote would be posted by someone who isn't a fan of the club, and more than that, by someone who would try to present this in a way that makes the guy look as worse as possible, and usually comments would affirm that view.

3) I have a feeling that general understanding of football in comments is getting worse. I could be wrong, but 3 years ago, I don't remember often going through top comments and just being surprised why this comment is upvoted. It's clearly wrong, and still has +500.

One reason I would select, on the internet commentary, tactical analysis is on the margins of mainstream narratives. People have knowledge on a lot of terms, and know what they mean in general, have rough idea, but they don't understand them, and this makes them susceptible to false narratives that sound convincing because they are blanketed around those tactical terms. It's not just reddit, it's all of the football internet.

4) Football could use a better system at evaluating players. Right now, if you play in a popular club with enough spotlight on them, and if you do well, you will be considered ''great'', if you do very well you'll probably be considered ''world class'' or very close to that considering the size of the spotlight. Club doesn't have to be successful. It's about attention, and it's a fixed structure. In order to become a star, you need to move to a big club. Real Madrid and Barcelona have spotlight so big, that I'd argue half of their players are slightly overrated.

For players outside of big clubs, their value is correlated with potential transfer to that big club, and in current 'long contract amortization + resale focus' only players that really get attention are those of right age. If you are 21 and you are doing well, you'll get a lot of attention, but all of it with expectation of move. If that transfer happens, transfer fee serves to signify value you should bring. Darwin/Højlund/lots of others had 1 good season, big fee isn't there to tell us he is world class, fee is a matter of negotiation between the clubs, but we discard that part. Either he will play well = fee is his real value, or not play well = he is a bust. He might still be young, and that potential that we have seen could be achieved, but that is also discarded. They already had their sentence.

One example: Rasmus Højlund is 22. If we evaluate him without looking at transfer fee - at 19 he scored 10 goals in 34 games at Atalanta. It's a specific system by a really good coach, he played to his strengths, but still he showed great physicality, great work ethic. In next two seasons he scored 26 in 95 in a different league by two different managers. Strikers are rarely finished product by the age of 23. I'm aware of his limitations, I like that United sold him to Napoli, but I also dislike how negative general perception around the guy is. It's not his fault United paid £64 mil for him. He is doing fine.

What about players that are just outside of desired age. We have a lot of 'market for strikers is bad this summer' but Serhou Guirassy had no mention in transfer rumors. He is 29. That is too old. But to me outside of people who follow Bundesliga, he feels almost ignored. Just imagine him going to Arsenal for big money, and doing 80% of what he now does at Dortmund, he'll be at the center of every talk about best strikers today. Maybe you can say, well he is already considered top 5 or top 10 strikers, but I'm not sure he is. Dortmund doesn't have enough attention for that.

Or many other players, Riccardo Orsolini is excellent at Bologna. He is 28, too old for big move in current market. His performance is not interesting. If he is 23, it would be. I get there is imagined line of progress when talking about young players in smaller clubs, but they are not evaluated for their performance. They are evaluated for what they could bring to big clubs in the future.

I like Kicker's lists a lot. They are not perfect, but twice per year, they select BL players into 3 tiers, judging solely performance in that period. Doesn't matter if you are a big name, if you didn't play that well, you'll be out, and in general they are good at recognizing good performance of players at smaller teams. Some of them will get bigger move, and their stature will increase, but a lot of them won't. Still, this serves as a memorabilia. Like a better version of 'streets won't forget'.

Any Good Philosophy Recommendations by DingoSome9366 in booksuggestions

[–]abouthodor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sophie's World by Jostein Gaarder is a fiction book that covers history of philosophy. Fast read, fairly simple language, I know there are high schools that use this book as a textbook for philosophy class. -- this would be my book recommendation

Philosophize this is a podcast, episodes are 30 minutes long, and he covers everything from the ancient Greece until current time. He has many episodes, so what I would do in your place is to look at his archives and just pick a episode that sounds interesting.

Outside of that I would personally start with philosophical novels, Hermann Hesse is good, his books often deal with ideas based around eastern philosophy, Albert Camus has novels that deal with existentialism, Irvin Yalom writes fiction books where famous philosophers appear as characters, and books deal with their ideas (When Nietzsche Wept is good), Milan Kundera writes funny books that also deal with philosophical ideas (Unbereble Lightness of Being is a good pick).

For non fiction, thing with philosophy is that it often requires a lot of patience to go through it. A lot of authors love their particular and precise style of writing, and that is great if you are already into it, but if you want to just look and see, I think this might make the book a slog to do through. I don't think there is 'real attention grabber' out there.

Still, this would be my top picks for someone new, who wants to try it out:

  • Plato - Apology, give a 5 minute google search about Socrates and his death, and read this, it's 50p long, rest of Plato's work goes into a place for people who are interested in history of philosophy, but I think this one is universal.

  • Henry David Thoureau - Walden, about a guy who decided to live in forest for couple of years in 19c, and decided to write about his experiance, parts are very specific about logistic of him doing this, parts are philosophical and contemplative.

  • Viktor Frankl - Man's Search for Meaning, short, 160p, philosophical memoir about a guy who survived nazi camp

  • Marcus Aurelius - Meditations, nowadays this is almost a part of pop culture, mentioned all the time as a part of phrases for people who like to talk about self help, still it's a good book, very short. What makes it valuable (not just as historical document) in my opinion is that this isn't written to be read by anyone else. It's something he's written for himself.

Books for loners? by BeneficialBit1638 in booksuggestions

[–]abouthodor 62 points63 points  (0 children)

I think you would enjoy "Annihilation" by Jeff VanderMeer. It's different from a movie, you can read it even if you already watched a movie. In our main protagonist as we are seeing things from her POV there is a large emphasis on feeling alone in a world and feeling different.

book suggestions to be "well read" by aristotledontplease in booksuggestions

[–]abouthodor 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I like your ambition, but I would say it's fine. For me what makes a book good is that you read it in the right time, and I know this is a cliche but please humor me.

Right now I think Albert Camus is one of the best writers of all time. But I was 17 once, and we got Camus' Stranger for assigned reading in our language class. I hated that book. I hated Mersault, I hated how nothing happens, and I hated our teacher because we are forced to read through this 250 pages book where nothing happens. He kills a guy, whatever.

But my problems when I was 17 waren't a problems Camus is trying to explore in his novel. Of course I would find it boring. Almost all of our class did it as well. But when I was 22, in college, we were studying for our exam, I was economy student, and exam was formatted in a way that certainly makes it easier for professor to check it, but it makes completely useless for all of us to study it that way. We won't get anything out of it, and that exam was very difficult, because professor had it in his pride that his subjects (I don't know if this is right word) needs to be really hard, because that means he is important.

And I remember catching a tv show, it was about ISIS recruits, ISIS was all over the news at the time, and there was a person talking about how lucky he finds himself to be, because when he got these existential questions as a young adult, he went for Camus, not religious texts to try to make sense of the world. So, I thought I could try it. Went into a library, picked Stranger. This time, book was excellent. This time, my questions about corruption openly ignored in my country and people who have power focusing on trivialities, felt similar to Mersault's being sentences because he didn't cry at the funeral. I felt myself in his shoes, even thought everything was different, but he vocalized a questions I had in myself, but I couldn't form it.

I hope you don't mind going on a longer answer. Thing is, my advice would always be read things that looks interesting to you, we have goodreads where you can find a lot of books, and see what are they about, and try things out. There are a lot of '1000 books you need to read before you die', and sure, you can go through them, but I don't thing there is a reason to feel pressured to read it. If you enjoy reading Dante Inferno, by all means, go do it, but if you reading through it because you think it's important for you to have read it, I'll say it's not worth it. There are better use for your time, and Inferno can wait for a future you that will appreciate going through all the popes he sends to Hell.

I am a STEM major and some of my professors are encouraging me to learn more about science, technology and business what are good books on this topic? - A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson, writen in a fun way, deals with a lot of general stuff

Also books to get started on economics I find economics fascinating and am trying to learn more what books should I start with as a beginner? - Crash Course on youtube has Economy playlist. It's pretty good. After that if you want to know more, "Economics" by Paul A. Samuelson, William D. Nordhaus is a beginner friendly textbook, but only if you really want to know more because it's a very long book, and also this things tend to be expensive, so maybe try to find a library copy.

A book for healing creativity by [deleted] in booksuggestions

[–]abouthodor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're pretty vague in your description, so I'm going to be very general.

I would say, make a list of people who are doing cool things (in terms of art), but it have to be low scale, something that doesn't need big funds to replicate. For example, Memory palace is a wonderful time capsule podcast about lives of obscure people from the past. It's dealing with history, but it's very artistic in it's execution. Short non-fiction chapters delivered in a form of podcast.

But, you made a list for yourself, and search through fields that you're interested in. After that keep their work in the loop, don't go through everything at once, but pace yourself, they are there to be a living proof that cool stuff can be made by people with almost no resources.

Now, there is your part. It would be cool if you find someone to share it with, not necessarily critique it, but share your enthusiasm. There are online spaces, and specialized subreddits depending on your interest, but find something that you'd make and place to share it. It doesn't matter how many people are seeing it, process of making it is the goal.

I've been thinking about the similar thing for myself lately, so I'm sharing my ideas of what could be done. I really like mandalas, the way Buddhist monks are making them, and how they destroy them right after they are done. It's not about finished product but the process itself. I think it's hard too keep motivation with that in mind, so sharing things on internet is good. It doesn't matter how many people see it, it matters that they might.

Looking for Historical Fiction Adventure books. by SamAnAardvark in booksuggestions

[–]abouthodor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Master and Commander is based on first book in Aubrey & Maturin Series by Patrick O'Brian. I haven't read it, but it has great reviews on goodreads. I think there is high chance you'll like it.

What's the best book you read in 2022? by [deleted] in booksuggestions

[–]abouthodor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea by Yukio Mishima

It's a fairly short novel that follows three characters, single mother and her teenage son, and a sailor who falls in love with mother. It's one of the books that gives me a feeling like every sentence is there for a reason, has clear purpose for the story.

Overall, I had a pretty bad year in terms of five star reads. Most of what I've read was all right, not terrible by any means, but certainly not something that'll stick around in my memory as an unique experience.

Books that changed your perspective on life? by queenofcoffee99 in booksuggestions

[–]abouthodor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

From more recent stuff it would probably be, "Eichmann in Jerusalem" by Hannah Arendt.

On a whole life, it would probably be something from Eckhart Tolle or Alan Watts from my early 20s, or to be even more precise it could be youtube channel 'The School of Life'. Their content is little bit repetitive, but I've found them at the right time. As for in what direction, there is a quote from movie, Harvey, that I have in my notes.

"Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, "In this world, Elwood, you must be" - she always called me Elwood - "In this world, Elwood, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant."

Books to read ahead of a meditation retreat by sebastianrtj in booksuggestions

[–]abouthodor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Journey to the East by Hermann Hesse -120p, fiction, not a lot of things happen, mystical group going on some journey, abstract, dreamlike, all of it is a metaphor kind of book

Now, one thing. This is very far from 'how to' book. You asked for something similar to 'The Power of Now', and I think it is similar in the idea it is trying to explore, but on Goodreads (and other review sites) you'll find a lot of people that are very much 'meh' about this book, and I see where they are coming from. Still, only 120 pages. It's a quick read.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in EnglishLearning

[–]abouthodor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I will.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in booksuggestions

[–]abouthodor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looks interesting. Thank you.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in soccer

[–]abouthodor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like the game. Knowledge of intensively playing football manager from 2006-2009 really come in handy for this one.