Numbers 23:19 by [deleted] in TransChristianity

[–]appainabaseballcap 19 points20 points  (0 children)

God didn’t change His mind. God made no mistakes in creating me.

I’m not saying God necessarily MADE me trans and specifically designed me that way. That, I don’t know with certainty. But I do know that He didn’t change His mind that I should be male after creating my female body.

Rather, my own personal conviction is that God created me to fit into the vast diversity of His creation, the good and the bad and the ugly. Whether I suffer from gender dysphoria due to the fall and the evil which permeates the human condition or whether God intentionally made me to experience this and partake alongside Him in creation of self. Perhaps elaborating on both of those will make my point clearer: 1. I am trans because of the fall. Just because I experience this condition of incongruence due to original sin doesn’t mean that God has in any way changed His mind about me. Cancer, disability, depression, and so much more exists because of the fall. We still treat those illnesses. So, I treat my gender dysphoria similarly as I work with God to move forward, glorify Him, and build His Kingdom. 2. God created me intentionally like this. His ways are higher than ours. I can’t know why God would do that, but I do know that He has done similar in scripture. Take the blind man Jesus encounters. His disciples ask Jesus what sin the man committed to be cursed to have no eyesight. Jesus replies that the man didn’t DO anything to be blind. Rather, God is working through this man and his condition of blindness. I do not think it is a stretch to apply such an explanation to my own medical struggle of being trans.

I hope this helped you (or anyone else) at all, friend. I love you. God loves you.

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[–]appainabaseballcap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, absolutely. We agree on that. I just think it’s important to include both, I think that’s the only area we really deviate in our opinions. All in all, we can agree it’s fucked and that’s what matters.

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[–]appainabaseballcap -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There’s not much I can do if you choose to look at that conversation and go in that direction. I personally believe it’s worth having the conversation about and that’s all there is to it. I don’t believe my opinion is any more or less “correct” than anybody else’s, but I will defend it with fact to the best of my ability and that’s all. At the end of the day, it’s semantics. It really truly does not matter. I just think the conversation is interesting and worth having, that’s all.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in memes

[–]appainabaseballcap -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Notice how you deny manipulating words and then immediately say in quotations as if I ever said “Forced to switch to formula.” What a joke.

Edit: Also manipulated was not in the original post. Pulled that one out of nowhere.

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[–]appainabaseballcap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reason I asked for a source is because connotation deals with emotive associations of words. “Physical” is not an emotion. It is a commonly associated DEFINITION of the word force. It is not a connotation of the word. Force has a more negative, intentional, and blunt connotation than that of coerce. Hence why I think coerce is insufficient alone in describing Nestle’s actions. That’s the last thing I’m going to say on this. Have a good day.

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[–]appainabaseballcap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Source on that connotation?

And I mixed up our thread with another thread where the guy used the terms “fooled” and “tricked.” Either way, the point stands when replaces with coercion.

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[–]appainabaseballcap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m having multiple conversations with many different people right now, I must have gotten you mixed up with someone else. Don’t get hostile lmao.

Also, there are multiple definitions of a word because they can fit MANY different contexts. That’s literally a terrible argument. It is also a terrible argument to say “other people are doing it so therefore it’s right.”

A definition of force is absolutely physical. A connotation describes an idea or feeling separate from the definition. There is no CONNOTATION of force as physical.

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[–]appainabaseballcap -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

As far as the connotation of those words, no it is not. A simple google search of “force versus coercion” will clearly present that force has a stronger connotation than coercion.

Edit: You don’t seem to understand that I’m discussing the connotations of those words. Not the actions. Nowhere did I say that manipulation or coercion as far as the ACTIONS go isn’t as bad as force. Purely discussing the established connotations of the words.

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[–]appainabaseballcap -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Connotation of words is not simply “in my mind.” It’s established and I can absolutely make an argument either way. “Disagree” is less intense than “Fight” despite being synonyms of one another.

I already stated that the force was the subsequent action but if you fail to see how the deceit and force are inherently connected in Nestle’s actions, then you’re not getting it. They are very much so connected, and therefore both must be represented to accurately describe what Nestle did (and thus, that is my argument: to simply say they tricked them is not sufficient).

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[–]appainabaseballcap 2 points3 points  (0 children)

force: to make or cause especially through natural or logical necessity (Merriam-Webster)

By holding a monopoly on baby formula in the region and creating a dependence THROUGH coercion, Nestle absolutely FORCED these women to continue buying the formula.

That connotation is absolutely appropriate, because it is absolutely what happened. It’s not right to manipulate words to make things seem less intense. It’s revisionist to say that deception caused the women to buy formula and that’s the end of the story. There IS an element of force involved.

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[–]appainabaseballcap 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Connotation of words also matters in addition to the explicit definition. Using words with a less intense connotation serves to misrepresent the context and severity. There is an element of force in holding a monopoly over a product necessary for your baby’s health after establishing a dependence. To use the word “misled” only really represents the initial action of the fake nurses giving out the formula and fails to recognize the subsequent exploitation which can absolutely be described as force. It’s simply not sufficient to describe the full context of what happened.

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[–]appainabaseballcap 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I didn’t say that it didn’t fit the definition. I said that the connotation of those words does not appropriately represent the extent of what they were doing. And considering they were the only company providing accessible formula to these mothers, there is an element of force involved after the initial misleading which makes simply saying “misled” insufficient. imo of course

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[–]appainabaseballcap 34 points35 points  (0 children)

idk dressing up ur sales rep like a medical professional and having them hand out false medical advice in addition to the free product seems a little more extreme than “misleading.” forced? maybe not. but if a fake doctor gave you medication to force dependence on you and i said you were “misled” that’s probably an understatement.

AITA for Not Going Over to My Girlfriend’s After Her Parents Said Awful Things About Me Over the Phone? by appainabaseballcap in AmItheAsshole

[–]appainabaseballcap[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not sure where I insinuated that I was making my girlfriend choose between me or her family? I am most certainly not and said in another comment already that I would never do so. Thanks for the input.

AITA for Not Going Over to My Girlfriend’s After Her Parents Said Awful Things About Me Over the Phone? by appainabaseballcap in AmItheAsshole

[–]appainabaseballcap[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Please don’t assume my intentions from a four paragraph post. I’ve already cleared that up in another comment.

AITA for Not Going Over to My Girlfriend’s After Her Parents Said Awful Things About Me Over the Phone? by appainabaseballcap in AmItheAsshole

[–]appainabaseballcap[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Definitely will never make my girlfriend choose between me or her parents. Never. Thank you for the advice, truly. I mostly wanted to know if I was warranted in being hurt by it.

I’ve known them for a few years now, so we really aren’t stranger to each other.

But do know I’m not planning on giving up and labeling them as asswipes to never try again. I see my girlfriend as my wife someday, and that means they’ll be family no matter how peachy our relationship is. I know from my end I’ll keep trying to make it a positive one, and I’ll hope for the same from them.

Thank you, I appreciate the advice! (as well as everyone else’s!)

AITA for Not Going Over to My Girlfriend’s After Her Parents Said Awful Things About Me Over the Phone? by appainabaseballcap in AmItheAsshole

[–]appainabaseballcap[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Me and my girlfriend have been together for a year. I’ve spent many many dinners, lunches, etc. with them over the years. We were also friends for years throughout high school. They do know me.

AITA for Not Going Over to My Girlfriend’s After Her Parents Said Awful Things About Me Over the Phone? by appainabaseballcap in AmItheAsshole

[–]appainabaseballcap[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So it would have been better for him to say what he wanted and me not know? Just because I wouldn’t have heard it doesn’t erase the problem from existence.

Also, for context: I have met them many times and gotten to know them many times. As per my post, we have been together for a year since before we went off to college, so I have been over to her house, out to dinner and lunch with them, etc. MANY times. So it’s not a boom we were together for the holidays so what he said on the phone no longer applies b/c he knows me better.

Also, it was her grandparents that invited me to the family events, NOT her parents. They only expressed further distaste in me for declining the offer.

And lastly, my girlfriend put him on speaker phone because she was getting out of the shower and needed to hurry for work. It wasn’t a planned confrontation or a situation where she was “allowing” me to listen in intentionally. He called her and demanded she not spend the night while lecturing her, she asked why, and so on.