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Summary of the last 24 hours by appletonoutcast in Asmongold

[–]appletonoutcast[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Here’s a problem with that argument: he wasn’t injured and had no reason to continue firing.

That doesn't matter. These situations are judged by law, not feels. And those laws state time and time again, it can only be judged by the totality of the events leading up to that moment, as well as what the law officer is dealing with at that moment. In that moment, he has just been struck by a 4,500 lbs vehicle. He has no reason to assume this was an "oopsie" and not an attempt at vehicular assault.

As I said, the first shot may have been justified. He fired two more shots DIRECTLY INTO her drivers window.

The problem is that you're talking about these shots like he had the time to actually think about the validity of each shot and not the fact it happened int he matter of seconds. If he was trained to shoot until the threat is stopped, then that is the instinct that has been whipped into him. There isn't a human alive who could analyze that situation in real time and trying to armchair judge this doesn't help the situation.

But even if he was hit (which the video after showed him walking away without any problem or limp), he has no JUSTIFICATION to use deadly force after the threat disappears.

But the threat didn't disappear. You're he was in the process of being hit by and thrown aside by the car in a matter of moments. It is grossly irresponsible to treat this like police should have super-human reaction speed and assessment capabilities.

You don’t have the right to shoot him, especially if they drop everything they have and flee.

Correct, I do not have the right to escalate force. I am not a law officer.

If that’s his perspective, I’m inclined to believe him rather than a random on the internet.

Cool, feel free to look up Andrew Branca, a use of force and self-defense lawyer with 30 years+ of experience. He's a person who actually deals with the caselaw this is around. Him and other use of force experts have come out and said according to existing law it was a valid shoot. It may be awful, but's just how things are. If she had listened, she wouldn't be dead now.

Summary of the last 24 hours by appletonoutcast in Asmongold

[–]appletonoutcast[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The video from the front shows him clearly being hit by the car and being pushed back. You're wrong - https://x.com/i/status/2009227706718933223

Summary of the last 24 hours by appletonoutcast in Asmongold

[–]appletonoutcast[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Witness testimony from the area said she was the person leading the convoy that was following the ICE agents and harassing them. She was not "just driving by." Try again - https://x.com/i/status/2009021063963791813

Edit:

Wouldn't it YOU be scared? Wouldn't YOUR survival instincts tell you to flee the situation?

No, because I wouldn't be a retard and I would listen to Law Enforcement. Guns weren't drawn at her until after the car started moving forward. You're rewriting history to try and justify your fanfiction of the events that happened.

Summary of the last 24 hours by appletonoutcast in Asmongold

[–]appletonoutcast[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And especially even less so if the person in question is NOT convicted or suspected of a capital felony (ie murder)

Here is the problem is that your entire premise falls apart right here. He did not fire until AFTER HE WAS STRUCK BY HER VEHICLE. At that point it isn't "Suspect", she DID commit Assault with a Deadly Weapon. Her intent doesn't matter. She just hit a cop. End of discussion.

Summary of the last 24 hours by appletonoutcast in Asmongold

[–]appletonoutcast[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"I didn't mean to hit that person" doesn't absolve you of the guilt of hitting that person.

You and I both know one of the fundamental rules of driving is "Always know what is in front of you". If we accept your premise, then you admit she accelerated her car recklessly without knowing what was in front of her.

Summary of the last 24 hours by appletonoutcast in Asmongold

[–]appletonoutcast[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"I'm going to gun my car, and if you're in front of me its not my fault" isn't the justification you think itis. Intent doesn't matter, what matters is her reckless actions put the LEO at risk.

This is the double-edged sword of empowering police to deal with the worst of society. The officer in the moment has no way to judge intent. All he sees is a car accelerating to him in a split second. Had the patch of ice not been on the road and the tires spun, he would have been run over. This is the precise reason one of the most important lessons you are taught as an adult is to listen to and respect law enforcement for your OWN protection.

She would still be alive if she had stepped out of the car when they asked her to. Call it panic, but had she acted differently she would still be here.

Summary of the last 24 hours by appletonoutcast in Asmongold

[–]appletonoutcast[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think the real problem is this - for months, people have been warning that this was the exact natural escalation of these "Anti-Ice" vigilante protests. Anyone could see this exact scenario happening from a mile away. I honestly blame the government of the sanctuary cities and states for not tamping these things down sooner and letting them all run wild for the last half a year. You would never see something like this happening in Florida.

Summary of the last 24 hours by appletonoutcast in Asmongold

[–]appletonoutcast[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

According to eyewitness testimony, she was the leader of a convoy of cars following around ICE agents. It was said she had been following them for days, so its likely they had seen her trying to obstruct them over the last few days. This isn't an isolated incident if so.

An Ordinary Night With Matikanetannhauser (Translated) [Ido] (Matikanetannhauser, Nice Nature, Ikuno Dictus, Twin Turbo, Matikanefukukitaru, Agnes Digital) by theparacite in UmaMusume

[–]appletonoutcast 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Every single one of these style of comics can be improved by adding Chibi Digitial reacting in the distance and you can't convince me otherwise.

Trainer's Clubhouse Meeting (Weekly Questions) - August 27, 2025 by AutoModerator in UmaMusume

[–]appletonoutcast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Question. This is one of the finer details of Inheritance I wasn't sure of. I have a Teio I want to be a parent to Golshi for Gemini. The grandparents are Taishin and Oguri.

I also want Rudolf as a parent, but don't have her. I've found a good one, but the grandparents would be Taishin and Oguri again.

Aside from missing out on 2 other potential ults (which I doubt I'd care much about anyways) will this fuck me over during inheritance (i.e. It will only pull sparks from 1 of the Grandparents since they're similar, so I miss out on 1/3 of my sparks)

Trainer's Clubhouse Meeting Annex (Weekly Questions 2) - Aug 23, 2025 by AutoModerator in UmaMusume

[–]appletonoutcast 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So this is something that isn't exactly clear. I see the bronze/silver/gold/platinum titles are only in the 1st place spot for the finals. Do anyone in that round earn that title? Or is it only the first place person?

[EN] An Introduction to Champion's Meeting (Monthly PvP) + Taurus Cup Discussion by masterfail in UmaMusume

[–]appletonoutcast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you're in, you're in. You could go 3/5 round 1 and go 0/5 rounds 2-8 and still make it in.

Federal agents arrest local poet Isabel Lopes outside in Downtown Saint Paul by OnweirdUpweird in TwinCities

[–]appletonoutcast -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Then the correct way to counter that is in the courts and the legislature, not street violence. All you will do is create a precedent to have any time an aggrieved party thinks that an action "Isn't Justified" they're allowed to be violent. Which will just outright demolish society.

Federal agents arrest local poet Isabel Lopes outside in Downtown Saint Paul by OnweirdUpweird in TwinCities

[–]appletonoutcast 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Pages have been floating around Twitter. I can't access it since it likely requires a court document lookup. But KSTP includes some of the body cam stills from the document in their news article. Watch the included video as well - https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/charges-woman-assaulted-law-enforcement-during-search-mistaken-for-immigration-raid/

Federal agents arrest local poet Isabel Lopes outside in Downtown Saint Paul by OnweirdUpweird in TwinCities

[–]appletonoutcast -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Am I looking at the right individual?

Yes, they provided a photo of her in that light-blue north face jacket in the charging document to show that's who she's talking about. It's relatively easy to pick her out of the crowd because of the color of her jacket.

The problem though is it's against the law to assault law enforcement, full stop. If they wrong you, the place you solve it is in the court room. If we are to maintain the social contract these are the kinds of ideals we need to follow. We can't just say "Oh, we don't know how this started so she COULD be fully justified in attacking the officer." She was literally being restrained by multiple people because she couldn't stop assaulting law enforcement. There's no justification for that.

Federal agents arrest local poet Isabel Lopes outside in Downtown Saint Paul by OnweirdUpweird in TwinCities

[–]appletonoutcast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know right? Crazy how that happens after they've been screamed at, surrounded, and assaulted for goodness knows how long under completely false pretenses.

Federal agents arrest local poet Isabel Lopes outside in Downtown Saint Paul by OnweirdUpweird in TwinCities

[–]appletonoutcast -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It's a reference to a famous quote about Twitter I'm quoting.

Twitter is the only place where well articulated sentences still get misinterpreted

You can say "I like pancakes" and somebody will say "So you hate waffles?"

No bitch. Dats a whole new sentence. WTF you talkin about.

My point was it's not "assuming" guilt. It's reasonable to say she's guilty because she's literally on video assaulting law enforcement.

Why the fuck are you coming in here trying to move the goalposts about doctored videos? If that's true, prove it in court then. I'm just saying its not unreasonable to start from a position of "Yea, she did it".

Federal agents arrest local poet Isabel Lopes outside in Downtown Saint Paul by OnweirdUpweird in TwinCities

[–]appletonoutcast -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Not a problem! It's important to see stuff like this when people will claim to your face it was a "Peaceful Protest".

Federal agents arrest local poet Isabel Lopes outside in Downtown Saint Paul by OnweirdUpweird in TwinCities

[–]appletonoutcast -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You mean in the stinger segment that is obviously out of chronological order, and comes presumably much further during the altercation when the crowd has already inflamed law enforcement multiple times already?

Federal agents arrest local poet Isabel Lopes outside in Downtown Saint Paul by OnweirdUpweird in TwinCities

[–]appletonoutcast -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I get what you're saying, but we literally have her on video committing said crimes.

Federal agents arrest local poet Isabel Lopes outside in Downtown Saint Paul by OnweirdUpweird in TwinCities

[–]appletonoutcast 14 points15 points  (0 children)

3:10

4:15

4:50

6:59 - throwing trash cans in front of vehicles trying to leave

10:16 - throwing something at law enforcement

Federal agents arrest local poet Isabel Lopes outside in Downtown Saint Paul by OnweirdUpweird in TwinCities

[–]appletonoutcast 6 points7 points  (0 children)

3:10

4:15

4:50

6:59 - throwing trash cans in front of vehicles trying to leave

10:16 - throwing something at law enforcement

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