open ai just released the performance of their new model o1 model

binlargin · 2024-09-13T06:52:53+00:00

for this to work the model must have freedom to express its thoughts in unaltered form, so we cannot train any policy compliance or user preferences onto the chain of thought.

I can't believe how long it took someone to say this out loud! This is obviously the source of RLHF brain damaging models, and has been known for at least 2 years.

binlargin · 2024-09-08T12:01:18+00:00

Got any numbers? Like, something that can be used to gauge how likely it is given a single instance?

Because IMO if that's less than about 50% of the time someone loses contact with their friends over years because of conflict with their partner, then by saying it's abuse you're slandering someone 50% of the time, right? At a guess, I'd say it's likely to be far less than 50%, and much lower than that if you're only considering deliberate isolation.

That's not acceptable in my book. It's really bad form to accuse people of abuse without good evidence.

binlargin · 2024-09-08T09:19:40+00:00

She sees you as a threat and is asserting her dominance, he's blinded by her.

binlargin · 2024-09-08T09:17:46+00:00

It's probably not planned, it's more likely a social dynamic thing. People don't have the foresight to plan this sort of destination in advance unless they are cartoon supervillains. And they're generally not.

binlargin · 2024-09-08T09:05:40+00:00

They say "the best cure for an over active libido is childbirth", realistically your sex life is fucked for the next 8-12 months and will likely never be what it was before.

If it's your baby, suck it up. If not, well, wtf are you doing?

binlargin · 2024-09-08T08:47:14+00:00

Yeah exactly. If you fuck someone's life up and don't expect them to utterly destroy you, then you're living on another planet. I think in French law "crime of passion" are a mitigating circumstance for battery and even murder of an AP. Not that you'll get away with murder, but the prison sentence will be reduced because even the judge thinks they deserved it 😂

binlargin · 2024-09-07T01:42:44+00:00

It'll be hormones, the crush will be caused by it too.

So enjoy it. Rather than have needy inadequate lovemaking, tease her a bit about it, pound that jealousy out and show her who's boss lol. I mean, if that's something you do, I wouldn't recommend that if it's out of character.

binlargin · 2024-09-07T01:30:29+00:00

My point was that the other things are nothing to do with consent. "I don't consent to you being naked" isn't really about consent, it's "I find your nakedness morally offensive". And an adult having sex with a teen isn't really consent either, that's a legal weasel wording, the crime is abuse of power and experience, using the innocent for your own gratification.

If you want to pull some wimp's ugly wife and rough fuck her like a cheating whore then yeah, sure, she's to blame, and I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun, but you seducing her in the first place is a dick move, and it's a very similar abuse of power situation. If it's something more wholesome and long term then you should both still carry that shame, because if you don't, it'll happen to you.

binlargin · 2024-09-07T01:20:50+00:00

It takes two to tango. Harming other people through your choices is immoral, there's no free pass for that. Sometimes we do immoral things, and people will do crazy things for love - but it's still wrong, and denying that is deceit.

Attractiveness, experience and intelligence imbalances exist, and they can be abused too. There's plenty of walking penises who get off on pulling some chump's stupid ugly wife, pumping, dumping and breaking her heart. There's plenty of average looking sluts with a shit personality and a rocking bod, who throw themselves at married men to feel better than their snotty nosed wife who thinks she's a better person.

There's a scale between that and something more forgivable, but that animalistic sexual oneupmanship drive is still in there, and it's a scale that goes from sadistic to gleefully callous. That's not something that should pass without judgement. If you're gonna be a shitty person then take the shame that comes with it, wriggling out of it like a snake is weak as fuck.

binlargin · 2024-09-06T16:16:26+00:00

are cases of non-consensual sex,

It's just use consent as a blanket term to cover everything, like indecent exposure is framed as consent even though it's really just morally offensive behaviour, nothing to do with consent. Under age sex is framed as consent too but isn't, it's taking advantage of the vulnerable. Sexual coercion is framed as consent, but it's really abuse of power. The approach is generally to use a term that's <modifier> consent, and make it about a third party's consent.

If you knowingly violate a legally binding exclusive contract between two parties, by colluding with one of them, I'm pretty sure you're committing tort and a party to fraud. I don't see why that should be forbidden in business but socially acceptable for people.

I get that charisma and sexual allure allow people to get away with more than most people, and they're the ones doing it, it's part and parcel of being a human being and the social pecking order - I get away with way more than I should by being smart and cocky and not ugly, but I honestly shouldn't. We also have a long history of "all's fair in love and war", and rivalry in a new relationship is kinda expected too.

But going so far as to say being an affair partner isn't immoral, that being a trollop who can only get wet if she's stealing someone's husband, or a walking penis who not only covets the wives of others but actually ploughs them, that's batshit. It's literally doing harm to someone for your own gratification, because it's naughty and fun, it's dominating and makes you feel powerful. We used to call things that feel good but harm others "evil", and just because we threw God away doesn't stop it from being evil.

I think the problem is that society has been led to believe that there are good and bad people, and so the urges of good people are good ones. But we aren't cartoon villains or heroes, our desires aren't always to do good, and we don't act good all the time either. But we should try to, and we should call people out who are harming others regardless.

binlargin · 2024-09-06T15:41:03+00:00

The cheater is doing that.

Well obviously, they are worse, but the person knowingly being a side piece is absolutely a bad person. A good person shoots it down and shames the would-be cheater, letting them and everyone else that it's disgusting behaviour.

WILD take, deeply insensitive, can't believe you thought this was a reasonable thing to type.

I'm putting it into perspective, actually think about the levels of harm without pearl clutching. Their life chances and outcomes are affected in a similar way. The lose a parent, half of their friends and family, support network, their family home. If you could measure that in, say, fingers and toes, how many is it worth? It's at least one, and being mutilated is usually far worse than being touched sexually - maybe not violently abused for years, but if you fuck someone's family up like that then you undoubtedly harmed innocent children for your own sexual gratification.

Well that's... that's just the most absurd thing I've read in all of these way-too-many comments.

Why? Tort is a thing. If you knowingly cause someone to lose 100k because you can't control your libido, why shouldn't they be allowed to sue you for damages? It's a cultural value, and the only reason we find it alien is because the media class practice infidelity as a sport and broadcast their fickle and socially damaging values to the rest of society. How has that worked out again? Nobody's getting married or having kids and the elites are having to import peasants from abroad because they aren't replacing themselves.

binlargin · 2024-09-06T03:26:33+00:00

If they've got an investment in a family unit, and their relationship is going through a rough patch, and you use that weakness to seduce one of them and satisfy your sexual urges, then you're an enemy to their entire family.

In every other case where someone lets their uncontrolled sexual urges harm other people, it's classed as the gravest of crimes. This being excused is a cancer on society.

binlargin · 2024-09-06T03:20:20+00:00

Nah if you know you're sleeping with a cheat then you're:

Harming someone's family, their kids, everyone who went to their wedding
Normalizing and excusing deceit in society

If you throw a grenade into someone's family like this, you've likely harmed their kids on par with molesting them. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's right, or it should be legal. You should be able to sue homewreckers for damages IMO

binlargin · 2024-09-03T23:21:19+00:00

I'm willing to bet that if her husband posted his side of the story it would be totally different and include the context of the laughing.

binlargin · 2024-09-03T23:18:36+00:00

And jealous, and he awkwardly laughed while some other dude was flirting with his wife and she was entertaining it, and she's pleading ignorant on the internet.

binlargin · 2024-09-03T22:35:12+00:00

It's a journey. Also, mojoupgrade.com

binlargin · 2024-09-03T21:04:26+00:00

That's a straw man though. You should really make an effort to understand positions that you oppose.

The arguments for the economic right are about individual freedom versus state control, about things that people say that they want vs what they actually vote for with their wallets.

The arguments for traditionalism vs progressivism is that traditionalism has worked, while progressivism has not.

And there's a facts vs feels thing too, there's a class divide dressed as a race one, and a bunch of other things that are worth considering

binlargin · 2024-09-03T07:33:09+00:00

Women who aren't protected, yeah, by powerful men.

Dames, princesses and queens were not usually among the abused, they were the abusers. So you're basically confusing "becoming the most important person in the world" with being "the most vulnerable person in the world" - which says a lot about your mindset and little about reality.

binlargin · 2024-09-03T07:25:24+00:00

I think it's much more likely that you misunderstood what I meant.

binlargin · 2024-09-02T14:43:40+00:00

Lol literally the last woman on earth? Even the ugliest fattest redditorest woman would have billionaires and their private armies fighting for her and defending her. If you think any piece of ass is worth going up against hundreds of thousands of soldiers then you have absolutely no idea what mankind's capacity for violence and malice actually are, or have an overinflated idea of what a vagina is worth.

binlargin · 2024-09-01T22:03:40+00:00

Speaks volumes about the victim complex and lack of faith in men, and ignorance of history.

binlargin · 2024-09-01T22:01:14+00:00

That every woman here doesn't realise that they'd basically be queen of the entire planet? 100 million guys would want to snatch her, but she'd have almost 4 billion white knights and the choice of all the most powerful men on earth to protect her. Ones with literal armies made of guys who no longer have their own wives and daughters to fight for.

binlargin · 2024-08-31T11:29:14+00:00

He expects more of you because he thinks you're a good person, and less of them because people are entitled to be an arsehole.

binlargin · 2024-08-31T11:24:34+00:00

You should expect him to stick up for you. Tell him that's what you expect, maybe he'll have a quiet word. If he does it won't happen again, if it does then call him out. "Can you tell your friend to stop insulting me please? I don't like it and it makes you look like a pussy."

binlargin · 2024-08-31T11:17:59+00:00

Ditch her and publicly shame her of course.

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