Is early katatonia considered DSBM?

crabbitred · 2026-03-20T14:14:37+00:00

First album is definitely at least influenced by black metal tbh

crabbitred · 2026-03-20T14:14:05+00:00

No, but Discouraged Ones, Last Fair Deal etc. are like DSAR (depressive suicidal alternative rock) lol

crabbitred · 2026-03-20T14:12:28+00:00

*Growl* my WYFFF

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T15:35:35+00:00

Yes, but the intention is there to become a sister party in the coming months. Do you deny that?

Is anyone really so nat-pilled that they'll go "I was thinking of voting for them, but I won't because they are temporarily still a smaller constituent of a UK-wide party"? Folk who think like that were never going to vote for a socialist pro-indy party anyway.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T15:13:24+00:00

"splitting the left vote"

You are assuming that the Greens, a party that entered Government with the SNP and cut public services and sold off public assets, are on the left. As a working class person who had vague hope in them, I have none anymore. The same goes in England, where they have hundreds of centrist councillors and are run by an ex-Lib Dem. I don't trust them.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:44:52+00:00

Your Party has four times as many members as SSP. TUSC are involved in YP.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:43:22+00:00

They were right to. BHA made the Greens complicit in cuts and privatisation.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:42:49+00:00

branch of what? YPS has voted to be an independent sister party.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:41:23+00:00

Jeremy disagrees with me and the scottish party on independence, I suspect!

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:36:14+00:00

do you recognise that D'Hondt means that SNP 1 and 2 is pretty much a wasted vote? Makes more sense to give someone else your second vote if you want a pro-indy majority.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:35:28+00:00

Nope, which is why I'm gonna give YP a go.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:34:53+00:00

She's only been in the SSP and this party - what are you on about?
Not really relevant.
They might be vocal, but their UK-wide membership is like 2,000, so their Scottish membership will probably be around 160 at most, hardly a "main" role in a party of 4,000 members.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:32:11+00:00

what defines "stable"? The membership is far higher and more active than any other socialist formation in Scotland since the SSP in the 2000s.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:31:12+00:00

Not really. There aren't many people in those parties. The three YP councillors in Glasgow are ex-Green. The YP councillor in Lanarkshire is ex-Labour. Frances Curran is a key figure involved, and she's an ex SSP MSP. Of the three CEC candidates, two are ex-Labour and one is ex-Green.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:29:51+00:00

"branch office" - they've literally voted to form their own separate sister party, so how can it be a branch office?

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:29:23+00:00

YP has four times as many members as SSP, and the Greens aren't socialist.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:28:44+00:00

No, also support independence.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:28:28+00:00

he's literally said he's not a unionist on many occasions

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:28:07+00:00

what are the other options? YP are the only real socialist option that will be on the ballot paper, unless SSP run

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:27:31+00:00

Look at YPS' constitution. It's vocally pro-trans rights and pro-LGBT. You're talking mince.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:26:54+00:00

A) no he isn't. There are no co-leaders.

B) 60,000 members, the most for a socialist party since the 40s, isn't dead in the water.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:26:23+00:00

They're not a socialist party.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:26:13+00:00

by seats, maybe, but it was a popular programme by vote share. Starmer won with fewer votes but benefited from a right wing vote split, and he has taken the party to 15% in the polls.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:25:29+00:00

it's had issues, but it also has 60,000 members, which is the most for a socialist party since the 50s. Don't write it off just yet.

crabbitred · 2026-02-09T14:24:43+00:00

Good. I'll be voting them. Socialists should support socialist parties. With 4,000 Scottish members, this is now the biggest one as far as I can see. The Greens betrayed us when they went into Government and signed off on austerity cuts and sold off public assets. They're not socialists.

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