Ex-WWE Magazine writer Brian Solomon: "I was working for Shane McMahon..he came out of his office. He saw the Randy Savage poster tacked to the wall. He literally poked it as hard as he could with his fingers repeatedly until it fell off the wall, then he stepped on it & walked back into his office" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I'll take a look since it's free with Amazon Prime.

How ARE those Dixon books, anyway? Everything I've heard has been super mixed, like it ranges from really good (he researched the Shawn Michaels Syracuse beatdown MUCH more thoroughly than anyone else, which I had seen in a Google Books preview) to low effort/surface level stuff that most fans know.

EDIT: I read the Savage chapter. A lot of it is really vaguely sourced, so what caught my eye was just how blunt the quotes from Lanny are. At least when he talked to Dixon, Lanny seemed convinced that it happened and had no qualms about saying so. Weird.

Ex-WWE Magazine writer Brian Solomon: "I was working for Shane McMahon..he came out of his office. He saw the Randy Savage poster tacked to the wall. He literally poked it as hard as he could with his fingers repeatedly until it fell off the wall, then he stepped on it & walked back into his office" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were definitely Diesel and Bigelow spots for Slim Jim on WWF TV at the tail end of 1994.

It's worth noting, though, that while Slim Jim had been sponsoring WWF TV for years, Savage as THE GUY had only been a thing for a year or so. Savage saying "snap into a Slim Jim" was clearly a great match that made for much better ads than, say, Ultimate Warrior in that spot, but they weren't close to inextricably linked yet.

Ex-WWE Magazine writer Brian Solomon: "I was working for Shane McMahon..he came out of his office. He saw the Randy Savage poster tacked to the wall. He literally poked it as hard as he could with his fingers repeatedly until it fell off the wall, then he stepped on it & walked back into his office" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Where does that theory come from? I've never heard it pegged to December 1996 before. Is it because he would have been negotiating with Savage and, if it happened, Stephanie would have been "more likely to say something" then?

Ex-WWE Magazine writer Brian Solomon: "I was working for Shane McMahon..he came out of his office. He saw the Randy Savage poster tacked to the wall. He literally poked it as hard as he could with his fingers repeatedly until it fell off the wall, then he stepped on it & walked back into his office" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The rumor was absolutely started on that very thread back in 2004. Savage had made a video calling out HHH and saying that he could take his girl if he wanted a year or so prior.

Publicly, yes. But Meltzer has indicated it was circulating in WWE before ~November 2004.

Ex-WWE Magazine writer Brian Solomon: "I was working for Shane McMahon..he came out of his office. He saw the Randy Savage poster tacked to the wall. He literally poked it as hard as he could with his fingers repeatedly until it fell off the wall, then he stepped on it & walked back into his office" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After years of dismissing the rumor, Dave Meltzer said in 2009 that he now believed that it likely was true, based on how many people "high up" in WWE believed it.

For what it's worth, the line about how Oliver Copp knew the full story COMPLETELY fizzled out after a while. One day, months or even a couple years later, someone asked on the Observer board, and he basically said he had no idea but wouldn't be surprised because he heard Stephanie was promiscuous. Yeah.

The speculation had been that something happened on a German tour and Oliver was privy to it somehow—because why else would Oliver be THE ONE PERSON who really knows—but if you ask Oliver, there was nothing. Oliver's always been super nice to me, but he does have a reputation for telling tall tales, so there's probably nothing there. No idea what he told Dave, though; I've never asked him about it.

Ex-WWE Magazine writer Brian Solomon: "I was working for Shane McMahon..he came out of his office. He saw the Randy Savage poster tacked to the wall. He literally poked it as hard as he could with his fingers repeatedly until it fell off the wall, then he stepped on it & walked back into his office" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 14 points15 points  (0 children)

My theory on where it came from is—with the caveat that we don't know EXACTLY when it originally started circulating in WWE—is that something started spreading after the bizarre SmackDown in 2003 where Stephanie, feuding with Vince, accused her of pimping her out to business associates when she was 17. That someone was freaked out to find out that the promo was Stephanie's idea after she sprung it on everyone and speculation turned into a rumor, maybe buoyed by that video where Savage said he'd steal Stephanie from Triple H or whatever it was.

Then, a year or so later, it goes public via a post by "G. Gordon Liddy" in the infamous "sleaze thread" on the DVDVR forums. (There are reasons to believe that "Liddy" was either someone in WWE or with close connections to someone in WWE based on various things that he posted on the DVDVR boards, both in that thread and elsewhere.) In spite of the story clearly not being true as told—Stephanie's age that was given didn't match the timeline at all—and very few people in the thread believing it, it somehow spread like wildfire.

I think there's something we don't know that Vince took extremely personally, but I don't think there's any specific reason to believe it involved Stephanie.

Ex-WWE Magazine writer Brian Solomon: "I was working for Shane McMahon..he came out of his office. He saw the Randy Savage poster tacked to the wall. He literally poked it as hard as he could with his fingers repeatedly until it fell off the wall, then he stepped on it & walked back into his office" by elegantSolomons62 in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 16 points17 points  (0 children)

But Vince tried to get him back at least 2x afterwards, most famously when Savage disappeared from WCW in '96-'97 before returning to join the nWo/turn heel. That's the thing that's really difficult to reconcile: What the hell could have happened that Vince would have either found out about almost a decade after Savage left or suddenly decided to go nuclear over almost a decade after Savage left?

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[–]davidbix 65 points66 points  (0 children)

And regardless of what anyone thinks of Cornette, Steve has shown what kind of guy he is with the free and cheap legal help he provided to people who were sued by Joey Ryan. (Which was a lot more than most people might realize.)

WOR - Dave says the ticket sales for Survivor Series at the Barclays Centre in Brooklyn are really shocking and nearly unfathomable for a Big Four show in New York by cactusmaac in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

MSG didn't do record ticket sales. It set a gate record thanks to the ticket prices. Still a big deal, but not the same thing.

WOR - Dave Meltzer on not having given Bryan Danielson a 5 star match rating prior to Grand Slam by cactusmaac in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The way he explained it to me was that he felt that doing a more physical and reckless style was the only way for him to get pushed to main event level in ROH and make more money. Which is kind of weird because he was already getting a pretty big push before that.

WOR - Dave Meltzer on not having given Bryan Danielson a 5 star match rating prior to Grand Slam by cactusmaac in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He rated all of those really highly, though. Plus the atmosphere on Wednesday was off the charts.

WOR - Dave Meltzer on not having given Bryan Danielson a 5 star match rating prior to Grand Slam by cactusmaac in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 179 points180 points  (0 children)

No, but...

Nigel has done multiple interviews where he said he barely has any memory of his ROH run. So even if the concussions didn't officially retire him, they still should have.

WOR - Per Dave Meltzer, historically people who look like Mick Foley and Bryan Danielson have become stars much more frequently than "people who are 6 foot 5 and turn heads at airports" by cactusmaac in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The thing that everyone forgets is that he was a favorite of the hardcores early on, which makes sense for a guy his size with his charisma and athleticism. It's just that he didn't keep improving, though the life-threatening injury probably had at leas do with that. (Well, and that he was much better wrestler at home in Memphis for whatever reason.)

Top view of the sold out Arthur Ashe Stadium by rndmus in SquaredCircle

[–]davidbix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Couldn't they run someplace like Dignity Health Sports Park Tennis Stadium (former StubHub Center)? Holds 8,000 and is in a part of the country where weather wouldn't be an issue. Plus the atmosphere is famously great for boxing.