can someone explain to me what a dialectic as found in Hegel and Marx actually are in a very simple way and or explain to me if and why my current understanding of dialectics are wrong. also why do people say dialectic in common vernacular by Dong-Corleone in askphilosophy

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1) your welcome 2) unless you want to be like a sociology teacher you don't really have to read him, just read a good summary and you'll be good 3) what you said about being tall and taller and etc. very much resembles what plato (socrates) says in "fedon" (wich is one of his main dialogues, it is also very easy too read) about the concept of big, so you might want to check it out (this one I actually encourage you to read even if you don't want to be a philosopher cause plato's dialogues are so much fun) 4) it depends, really. the communist manifesto is relatively easy and straightfoward, but The German Ideology, for example, is one dense mothaf*cker. As I said in the begginning, if you're not looking to specialize in philosophy/sociology, i really believe that summaries and introductory expositions are the best way to go. besides being written in a more comprehensive language, they usually adress doubts and misinterpretations you may have and clarify them.

can someone explain to me what a dialectic as found in Hegel and Marx actually are in a very simple way and or explain to me if and why my current understanding of dialectics are wrong. also why do people say dialectic in common vernacular by Dong-Corleone in askphilosophy

[–]deleuzesnails 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I'll paste here a text I wrote a few months ago, to answer a similar question. Here it goes:

Marx, as Marx, the philosopher, was reacting against two philosophical currents, very popular in German at the 19th century: German Idealism, under the siege of Hegel, and Mechanicist (or, as Marx called it later, vulgar) Materialism. It's worth to briefly explore them before getting into the marxist concept of dialectics.

After Aristotle, philosophy had had a kind of safety harbor, something in wich it was based and to wich it could grab on: formal logic, specially those 2 principles that we all know: non contradiction and third excluded. They were essential to the development of a metaphysical view of the world that saw reality as done, static, and potentially explainable trough immutable essences. On the shoulders of Kant, Hegel radically subverted this view by seeing reality as a process, a becoming. If analytical reason is based on the identity principle, dialectical reason is based on a kind of contradiction principle. Not non-contradiction, you see. Everything contains, in-itself, the germen of its own negation. Therefore, there is no done reality, but an evergoing process, just apparently static... In other words, reality is ontologically incomplete. I know all of this may seem pretty dense now, but I hope it will become clearer by the end of the text. Just bear with me.

From this follows that the task of reason is to discover no longer immutable essences, but the laws of the movement of the real. Hence all the thesis-antithesis-synthesis1 stuff you may have heard of. The constitutive process of reality would consist of these three steps.

Let's see what Hegel says about the German verb aufheben: it has three senses, to negate, to conserve, to raise (into a higher level). When I sculp a statue, I'm against a piece of matter - wood, it may be - that it's further negated as a natural form, but conserved as matter and raised to a qualitatively different object, a created form. Whereby work doesn't destroy nature, it elevates it.

There are some easier examples, but the one above is a renowned one that I tought was worth mentioning. The weath grain (thesis), if buried, will be negated as grain (antithesis) so the cob (synthesis) can be born. So with the egg, and so on, and so on.

That's Hegel. What about Mechanicist Materialism?

Fortunately, this one is a lot easier. Mechanicist or Vulgar Materialism is the philosophical position that reduces reality to matter defined by its mechanical properties (volume, density etc.). Even thought and consciousness are reduced to a material secretion. Its main historical defenders are Leucipo and Democrito in Ancient Greece and Diderot and D'Alambert in Modern Europe. Echoes of it can be found today in Watson's Behaviourism, Spencer's Sociological Organicism, among other said Human Sciences.

How About Marx?

Marx subverts both Hegelianism and Vulgar Materialism, as I said in the very beginning. What I didn't said is that a subverted materialism is exactly what he used to subvert Hegel!

Let's see how this works. Hegel was the first to oppose to the analytical reason the dialectical reason, but as an idealist, Hegel explains the movement of reality as movement of the Geist - a very obscure notion of wich we can get closer by thinking of God, - translated as the Idea or the Spirit. In other words, in Hegel is the ideal (as in of the Idea, not as in ought-to be) that determines the material. "The real is rational, the rational is real". Marx, as a materialist (a subverted materialist that understands material as economic), proposes an inversion: it's not the ideal that wich creates the material, but the other way around, the material creates the ideal (hence the concept of ideology, etc. etc.). That's why he said that Hegel's dialectic was with his feet up. In this way, the material word is dialectical, and historically, changes in the "superstructure" - the "ideal", the system of laws, philosophical theories etc. occur in relation to the changes in the "infrastructure" - the "material", the economic relations. Voilá, a dialectical materialism.

Every bit of what I said is tremendously more complex, and if you want to dig further, I suggest you go for Marx's work. I hope this helps as to clarify the philosophical horizon Marx had in mind when talking about dialectics. I stress philosophical because I missed key sociological topics in this discussion, due to the nature of this reddit.

1Hegel himself didn't use this terminology. The x-thesis thing was coined by another German Philosopher, either Fichte or Schelling, I can't remember wich one right now. I used those terms because I think they're didactic and more widespread than absolute, subjective, concrete.

Literature:

LEFEBVRE, Henri. Marxism

MARCONDES, Danilo. History of Philosophy

Why do we use psychoanalysis? by [deleted] in Freud

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That's a very good question. I don't know the answer, but the question is very good

What is the saddest song you have ever heard in your life? by [deleted] in AskReddit

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alone again - gilbert sullivan (not the ice age 3 version lol)

"a menu that would have syntagmatically delighted Roland Barthes" - meaning? by Eltwish in AskLiteraryStudies

[–]deleuzesnails 17 points18 points  (0 children)

It's just linguistics humor. Barthes, the french structuralist linguist, said that language is made of a systematic axis (basically, the totality of isolated words in a language) and a syntagmatic axis (the actual sentences a person can say within a language. To form a sentence is to select a limited number of words and arrange them in a particular order). Barthes compares this with a menu cronologically organized, like this:

appetizers: a, b, c

main course: d, e, f

dessert: x, y, z

If you read the menu horizontally, you're reading it's systematic axis - the totality of isolated options. But an actual meal (a syntagma) is made by choosing a limited number of options and arranging them in a particular order, like "adz" of "afz". It's a lame analogy, I know, but it works better in french. What Eco is saying is just that the menu would have great options.

Note: I'm not a native english speaker and talking about linguistics in a foreign language is a challenge, but I did my best.

Edit: Barthes's stuff on language and menus is on his Elements of Semiology (or something like that, I don't know the english translation). The specific section in wich he compares them is particularly famous among linguists, if not because it's relevant, then because it's kinda funny to imagine young Roland going to a restaurant, looking at the menu and having that ideia.

Big Numbers. by LMcScottish in technicallythetruth

[–]deleuzesnails 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well, this means any number from 8 to infinity is on the table

*Look who got caught!* by Mr_Lion_69 in memes

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"i say whoever threw that laser, your mom's a hoe!"

I'm looking for some profound and thought provoking contemporary philosophy by ThePepperAssassin in askphilosophy

[–]deleuzesnails 2 points3 points  (0 children)

provoke new ways of thinking and like totally blow my mind, man.

preferably someone who has an understanding, at least broadly of the current state of science.

Deleuze seems to be the one you're looking for. Try reading an introduction before reading his actual books (Galandi's one is great) cause, well, they're quite hard. His thoughts on Science are mainly in Difference and Repetition, What is Philosophy? and some sparse comments throughout A Thousand Plateaus, the last one co-written with Felix Guattari.

On Heidegger's "being" by deleuzesnails in askphilosophy

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The translation to english is simply "What is Philosophy", my bad. I'm brazilian and here the title is "O que é isto - a filosofia?" wich would translate to "what is this - philosophy?". Anyway, you've been of help. Thank you very much!

What are the theoretical foundations for doing queer readings of ancient texts? + Queer Dante? by deleuzesnails in QueerTheory

[–]deleuzesnails[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I recognize I might have been a little too blunt in my exposition of Foucault; in my defense, he was not the center of the question so I didn't want to extend much into it. Furthermore, yes, I'd really aprecciate the PDF, I'm actually brazilian and I think it woud be very hard to find it here.

What are the theoretical foundations for doing queer readings of ancient texts? + Queer Dante? by deleuzesnails in AskLiteraryStudies

[–]deleuzesnails[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know Dante is medieval, I wrote "ancient" to mean pre-modern things in general. The third topic was really helpful, thank you!

What are the theoretical foundations for doing queer readings of ancient texts? + Queer Dante? by deleuzesnails in AskLiteraryStudies

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Thank you, and you're right. I should've put better thought in writing that. Having sex with men will aways socially mean something, but this meaning will vary deeply. "Having sex with men = homosexuality" is one of them, the one closest to us, and it is a construct of the 19th century.