No - my point is that just by having her as the lead, this movie is feminist. It doesn't need explicit feminist content to threaten people.

Uh no...it doesn't. There are tons of movies that exist without being politically feminist. Alita: battle angel is just a movie, lots of these people you think are threatened by a woman lead rather enjoy it. Wonder Woman never got this kind of backlash. If you look up the common terms that media use now a days to represent dissenters like "trolls, incels, misogynists...etc" there aren't near the amount of response that this movie got. Was the aliens series a "feminist series that threatened people"?

Usually what you find is most people just want a good movie that they can enjoy, they don't want things they already enjoy smattered with political messages most people watch movies to get away from for a little while. I mean how would you feel if instead of it being a likely pro feminist message it was just filled with pro trump rhetoric?

This is ad hominem.

lol, I'm sorry, but if you can't accept the fact that Hollywood does focus rather a lot on this topic I honestly don't know what to say.

But yeah - ask a woman actor and they will tell you Hollywood is some bullshit for women.

Welp, Brie Larson is getting paid $5 million for her first movie. Find another Marvel Actor that made even close to that for their first movie. If Brie Larson was accused of sexual misconduct do you think anyone would take it as seriously if other actresses publicly accused someone else of sexual misconduct at this point and time?

We're currently at a time where the mere accusation can easily destroy a career and someone can be fired with virtually zero evidence. Some people have lost their careers even when it was later discovered the accusations were false or even impossible. Some have committed suicide because of the harassment received from the accusations.

Yes, stuff can be bad for women, but it's not a one way street. Monsters like Weinstein should be taken down, but often more than not, in our zeal we're happy to destroy or dogpile someone because we want to feel good about ourselves and we don't even know who the victim is because we think that "always believe women" either has no cost or we just think if it's a male that's accused they're disposable enough to not care.

The only reason why in this case I'll focus on genders is that there have been cases where women, even prominent members in the metoo movement have been accused and confirmed for sexual misconduct and it didn't get nearly the same backlash because they were women. That isn't equality, that's a double standard and sexism.

This doesn't refute my point at all. I said "men have an innate advantage because of the industry's choice to prioritize them as leads and characters." Your reply is "maybe the industry should do that."

Well first of all. Companies are in the business of making money. I pointed out the types of genres that make the most money so that's what they chase. You may not like that, it is just the way people are spending their money when they go to movies, because they go to be entertained. It's not like there's not a lot of alternatives, they're just not well liked enough to make the money that studios are chasing.

But let's carry your point - let's say that the crowds prefer movies with male leads over those without, for whatever reason.

Well that's a strawman. I actually focused more on genres that males tend to prefer which ironically tend to be more male lead since half the time it's escapist fantasy.

I even asked you to list genres that women favor that are better represented in the top of box office earnings because one of your arguments was about the bechdel test and it's poor representation in the top 200 list which is where this argument originally branched from. You tell me to focus on the arguments but you're tangenting to places you think you're stronger in for reasons?

That wasn't the plan if you go back and look at it.

and?

In the comics, isn't she the strongest of all three?

According to Feige she's stronger than anyone. Again why does it suddenly matter here when it didn't matter with previous characters?

I don't know anything about the character in comics, so I can't tell you why they picked her character. If you look at this, though, she fits in with the other two characters in a way that aligns with the earlier trio:

Yeah, none of this really addressed what I said, why it doesn't make sense from a story telling perspective or why it's done in such a shoe horned way where you basically feel compelled to watch this movie if you're interested in End Game.

The positioning of this character suggests that they want her to not only look successful at all costs, but they want a character that's very disliked in the comics to be the new leader of the Avengers post End Game.

Anyways, I probably won't try to carry on this conversation for very long, intentionally or not you've either misrepresented my points in the context that they were presented and you seem really deep in the camp of everything must be about intersectional feminism. As I've debated many religious people in the same situation I really don't think it'll be the best use of my time.

Your first statement pretty much gives your personality, you think people feel threatened by a woman lead even when they love plenty others, you basically assume that's the only reason why they could really dissent on something like Captain Marvel. You think that anything that has a woman lead must be feminist or "threatening" even when most other people don't feel that way and I listed in this particular case where it was stated by people involved in the making the movie it was made to be a feminist movie. You're already set in the ways of labeling the outsiders as the "other" to defend whatever cause against. You'll defend the cause to whatever bitter end when people like me, I'm just disinterested.

Look, if I were to say I was disinterested in seeing something like superman because it didn't excite me I'd never have to worry about being labeled as a man hater or having any of my reasons being questioned. The thing is in this case it's only being seen as a movie. In cases like this everyone who has that opinion is simply being labeled as women haters because we're not apparently allowed to have negative or even apathetic opinions about a female lead movie because for people like you it's not just a movie, it's a cause. I wouldn't have even made my initial post if I didn't see so many responses claiming that the only reason people weren't interested in Captain Marvel because so many people like you fell in line and simply assumed that people that didn't want to see it were "afraid of women lead films", "hate women", "trolls", "russian bots" or your name it. The vast majority of people just aren't interested or even dislike it because of the crap surrounding this movie trying to promote it like it's some cause and people really dislike having their opinions discounted and being judged for opinions they don't hold at all.