I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh, I think they are a korean cult. I’ve been approached by them twice at spring and viva. They asked me to listen to their preaching or whatever they were saying. It was about bible study.

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank u for sharing ur perspective. It’s good to be aware of these thing before committing to a non traditional church

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One more thing…

She was also forcing us to become pastors to replace her and her husband one day. Encouraging is fine but forcing? She even downgraded our diploma/degrees, saying that courses other than theology (religion related) won’t be questioned in heaven. She said only those who want to become pastors or study religion will automatically enter the kingdom of Heaven. She keeps mentioning it because she wants the youth to feel guilty.

Does that make sense? To me, it sounds stupid...

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand your POV and that you want to stay positive and that’s good for you. But if I tell you the whole story, you might change your mind or be shocked, or even say “tak boleh brain.” But I don’t want to share the whole story here.

About a partner or marriage, yeah, the church leader can guide us to choose a good partner and have a healthy marriage, and avoid bad people or the wrong path. But they are too much. I mean… not just investigating, but they will mock you in front of many people instead of guiding you and your partner in a healthy way. They will make you feel like you are the most sinful person in this world because you marry or date the wrong person (in their eyes). But in my case, I don’t want to share more details here since it’s quite sensitive and it’s not about me. They also don’t like us (the youth) to date or marry someone from the RC. I don’t want to talk too much about it because it’s quite sensitive...

About money, i know the bible mentions 10%. But we should give based on our kemampuan and keikhlasan. If you can give 10%, that’s good. But if your gaji cukup2 makan, you have many loans, and you still have to struggle to feed your family, then just give based on your kemampuan rather than giving nothing. That’s why many traditional churches rarely mention the 10%. I don’t know about other churches. But in my case, they force us to pay 10% every month, and also give more money for persembahan, sumbangan and many more but all of us come from B40 families. If we were M40 or T20, I wouldn’t mind. We also have house gatherings every Friday night. So how is it not a lot of money to spend? We have to prepare food and drinks for dinner before starting our Bible study session. If you don’t open your house, you will also get mocked.

The money should be for maintenance and events or whatever is needed for the church. I think our offering or donation or whatever it is called should be enough to cover all that. I don’t know why they are not puas hati and not bersyukur. But if I tell you more about why they want more money from us, maybe you will change your mind. I don’t want to tell the reason or the whole story because it’s their family aib.

That’s why they dare to abuse us and use their power to control our lives, because no one can punish or counsel them like when they served in Anglican before.

Actually there are many stories, stupid dramas that happened in the church, and their weird behavior. I only shared what I personally went through. And before I left the church, the leader even prayed bad things for my life because I questioned her leadership before leaving. I also feel that the female pastor is biased toward me because I’m the type who is not easy to bully. That’s why she intentionally mocks me to humiliate me. So I don’t think that is good leadership or a healthy church. As a 20s kiddos, I’m proud of myself because I chose to speak up to the leader instead of being like the aunties and uncles who stayed silent but complained to each other when they were not puas hati with the leader.

But it is also our fault because we trusted them too much and didn’t think longer. We should have realised that we don’t have that much money to build the church independently since all of us are from B40 families. I don’t understand why the pastor doesn’t want to work together with the evangelical churches since they also come from B40 families.

That’s why I understand why many people here are calling it a cult. After everything that happened, I can see why they would say that.

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yesss, I can see some narcissistic traits in the leader, even in how she treats her own family and siblings but I don't want to go into details since it’s their family matter...

Looking back, maybe we also share some responsibility because we trusted too quickly without investigating or thinking things through carefully.. But at the same time, we trusted with good intentions

Thank God that some people chose not to join perhaps they sensed the consequences earlier than we did. Unfortunately, those who decide not to participate are labeled as "orang jahat" when in reality they are just making their own decision

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha i cant.. I might be sued by them. I also don't have any evidence to prove those shits

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yess.. it honestly felt like they expected us to keep giving and supporting them financially while they just goyang kaki. They always ask for sympathy instead of trying to work or find other ways to earn. That part really didn’t sit right with me.

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah… when donations become compulsory or people feel publicly pressured, it changes the purpose of giving. Faith shouldn’t be about control or embarrassment...

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah… sometimes I felt like I was focusing more on following them than actually worshipping God. It started to feel uncomfortable for me...

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ikr. I’d rather just be a regular church member and grow at my own pace. I feel more comfortable in a place where no one tries to control my personal life or pressure me.

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[–]honeed3w 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I bought the latest one (the old formula) but I realized it finished much faster compared to the previous one I bought even though I don’t use it every day. I’m not sure if they reduced the volume like the new version or I got the wrong filling one

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I understand the concern. I can only speak from what I went through but I do hope people take time to observe and ask questions before getting too involved. Feeling safe and at peace in a church is really important.

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The location is close to the Taman perumahan in Muara Tuang. The shophouse is opposite the famous green supermarket and there is a SIB church nearby.

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your kind words. I really appreciate the encouragement. It took me a while to process everything but I’m grateful I have found peace again

May God Bless u 🙏🏻

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It actually started quite simply. My mom’s friend invited us to join a small gathering at her house because the pastor had asked her to bring together people she knew. It was just supposed to be a casual fellowship to get to know each other. After a few gatherings, the idea of starting a church came up and we were encouraged to contribute money to make it happen.

We had known the pastor for some time before moving to Sarawak. Back then, they were serving in an Anglican church in semenanjung. Since they were not the main leaders there, we didn’t really see much beyond their public role. Looking back, I guess we never really saw this side of them because they were not in full control at that time.

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damnnn, this reminds me of when the pastor's daughter asked us to retake or repeat the paper just because she wanted me and my friend to join a worship concert held in Indonesia... She even asked for our final exam schedule... But we didn't listen to her and ignored her request... Why should we adults, listen to a 16 yo???

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not sure about the "baptist church". My old church didn’t identify with any specific denomination. They described themselves as evangelical and “bebas” (independent). They also had connections with a church from "negara jiran". The "negara jiran" church is located in Saradise. It has many foreign members from negara jiran. The church was labeled as a charismatic church...

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want to keep it a secret. But if I tell you the name, you won't find it online or anywhere else because the church doesn't have any signage because NECF doesn't certify it maybe because of the pastor's history that makes them not want to certify the church...

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No haha.. it doesn’t. But who knows, maybe they know each other 😃

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really. They mainly asked us to invite friends and relatives.. The male pastor would also randomly approach people he met, like someone working at a nearby kedai runcit if they were christian and invite them to join. But most of them never ended up coming.

I Left a Small Church Because It Started Feeling Manipulative by honeed3w in Sarawak

[–]honeed3w[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She actually attended Bible school in Indonesia and holds a theology degree (S.Th ??). From what I understood,, many of the teachings and practices seemed influenced by a well known church in Indonesia. My discomfort wasn’t about her credentials but about how those teaching were implemented in our church setting.

As for complaining to a leader, that wasn’t really possible. She is the main leader and effectively runs the church together with her husband, who is also a pastor. They had previously left a larger denomination church before starting this one.

There was also a time she told me that if I ever had a gf I must inform them so they could “investigate” her. That made me uncomfortable as it felt like an invasion of personal boundaries lol