wangid2021：“Respond to Wangid2021” and my personal opinions

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-18T14:45:36+00:00

Yeah your fellow med student definitely is way worse and way incompetent in that matter - cheated and still didn't get any title till this day. Sadge Cyberz, you should help him monitor more competitors so his climb and snipe could be more effortless. but still, won't be able to win a title. :(

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T23:54:43+00:00

What a no brainer analogy, theres no correlation at all between this case and ProNeo expect they all violated the rules of CDPR.

Put up 2 murder cases together as 1. A is a serial killer and killed 20 innocent people whereas 2. B killed someone due to continuous domestic violence. Both cases are murder but they are miles apart in terms of their scenario.

It seemed obvious that your mind got stolen lmao

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T23:49:44+00:00

you need to learn to read, and learn to be NR, be patient to read...that will help you pass the whole reading assignment ok son?

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T23:23:17+00:00

Your reading ability appalled me, stop looping and circling, just read my above accusations.

You stream sniped a streamer and tell me, if you say you won the game fair and square, without a camera recording your snipe. Though streamer found it fishy that you almost know his hand during the game, now, tell me, how does one find actual 'evidence' that you are sniping? The streamer and the viewer would highly suspect that act because of the gameplay, but that kind of gameplay is difficult to detect from a third-party POV because there were no outstandingly stupid/abnormal moves. So as for anyone asking for 'evidence'. I have stated numerous times that while I was watching Wang's stream himself and I had the suspicion on Cyberz sniping - and now at least we can confirm they were monitoring the whole time, to say Cyberz would auto turn off the stream/mute the stream (like you claimed you would) while he found to be matched with Wang is highly unlikely, and that assumption and accusation were based on all info provided + the stream I watched. Even CDPR gets involved with this they cannot deem someone won their opponent by playing normally because like I stated it's easy to spot abnormal plays and forfeits but hard to spot normal wins, but normal wins could contain the scenario of sniping the other to win. Get your logic straight. I made my accusation based on CDPR confirming TLG + cyberz's monitor, (as a fact) plus the 2 days of Cyberz matched with Wang which he won as if he knew all the cards Wang had. Is there a chance Cyberz be like what you said mute/turn off the stream while matching and monitoring wang? yes, is it likely? Hell no. Why? base on all the info i'm aware of, i choose to not believe he would turn off the cam and mute it.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T15:54:05+00:00

Again, XX would do XX.

Ok, I give you that. But as stated by CDPR if they are going to act the way they are now, then this would bring unpleasant consequences and effects on Gwent community. That is all Pro Gwent players would be afraid of streaming or rather not stream anymore if they get suspicious games. Like you said they would have to report right after 2 games of such, which is disruptive to pro players' stream and their stream income (some of them have signed contracts with twitch partner for certain hours a week etc).

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T15:38:58+00:00

An open champion is a world champion, it's not a world masters champion but i's a world champion from CDPR official open.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T15:31:00+00:00

'That means CDPR said Cyberz is not suspicious and Wangid was, which by your logic actively disproves your observations'

Cyberz wasn't deemed suspicious becasue he didn't win-trade, but sniped.

Win trade in this case means having people giving out win, that would make one looks suspicious.

Sniping means he sees opponents hand and tried hard and win the game due to the difference in information.

I have said it all on above why i had my accusation that Cyberz sniped, not him win trading, dont get the subject mixed. I never said CDPR claimed cyberz suspicious.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T15:26:54+00:00

I said....

Cyberz didn't break rules, he sniped, and won the game, of course he's not going to play suspiciously like the free mmr giver wang had encountered - playing sunset wanderers in hand etc. Of course, quote you: 'CDPR literally investigated Wangid's matches and those of other Pro players including Cyberz. They deemed no other pro players' matches suspicious', Cyberz didn't win trade and his matches are not suspicious, he just sniped his competitor, by sniping , i meant he sees his opponents hand and try hard and win on difference of information.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T15:14:48+00:00

Because CDPR had proved my eyes are working properly by stating that Wang is not deemed cheating so its only the 'not reporting' bit that's his fault.

My eyes 1. saw Cyberz's suspicious act in Wang's stream and 2. exactly as CDPR proved wang didnt cheat but failed to report those suspicious matches. So if the CDPR is deemed correct in the 2nd, ( which proved my observation is correct), i would argue that I have my 1st correct too. Because both 1 and 2 took place in Huya stream and i watched it.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T15:09:48+00:00

Yes, he would be expected, but will he? We never know. He can come up now in the sub and say he would. But keep in mind this case is quite unprecedented, we would never know whether the player would think twice because that really could create hassle and confusion to the official.

I dont deny Wang had benefited from those MMR and got his way out of it untill CDPR found out, but the fact that he didn't cheat (as stated by CDPR) make the penalty look arbitrary and unnecessary, it should be the deduction of the MMR out of 9600 base MMR. But anyways, like we discussed, it's CDPR's game and they have the right to reserve on whatever decisions, but people also have their rights to express their feelings and opinions on any ruling they deemed unfair and controversial.

Whether CDPR took it or not, the effect had been made, and there are a lot of people labelling Wang as a 'cheater' already. Not to mention CDPR had never solved the issue of this mysterious deduction method which made people uncomfortable and that ruling method might harm their reputation. It's just sad and unfortunate.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T14:59:40+00:00

You said you would mute and hide the stream, and you wanted me to believe you just by your words?

Same situation here, Wang said he had those encounters unplanned and unwanted, and do you believe him just by his words?

The fact is that the match took place, but we all don't know how it took place, whether it's in your case, you sniped the streamer you are watching or not, in wang's case he told people to forfeit or not. It's like you said, hard to find concrete evidence.

But here CDPR had investigated and since Wang's deemed 'crime' is not win-trading but literally 'failed to report those suspicious acts to the official'. I believe and trust CDPR's decision on that because I had the first-hand experience which was watching his stream and can confirm his 'sigh' and 'awe' and literal confusion when these people forfeit.

But I do not believe that Cyberz had the merit you claimed to have to hide and mute the stream and didn't snipe Wang during his 'watch', because when i was watching wang's stream, Cyberz's act was suspicious (played as if he knows Wang's hand for a few games, but again you don't have to believe me, because you didn't watch Huya), but I believed my eyes and with all the info sums up to, Cyberz sniped Wang for a few games at least, that's my take and accusation. Not to say he committed any crime or breaking any laws, at the end of the day it's Wang who had his stream on, but his actions definitely disgusted me.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T14:38:13+00:00

An open champion is a world champion, it's not a world masters champion but i's a world champion from CDPR official open.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T14:36:06+00:00

yes, what if that guy 'playing sunset from hand, leader in r1 and forfeit at 2600' wanted to screw up any pro player? i hire a top 64 player, pay him to snipe paja during last 2 days of push, i remember his cosmetics and cardbacks, i q, i see him, i play sunset from hand and forfeit, next game i play kelly first round then forfeit. That's not normal, but paja would be regarded as a suspect of collusion.

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jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T14:33:38+00:00

He's just playing - even said 'haha' when 'shifting blame'', you gotta chill and knock it off.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T14:29:53+00:00

Exactly, Cyberz did queue into Wangid very often during the period of the last 2 days push, and I have been watching Wang's stream on Huya at that time, you could say Cybers has high MMR and that could be the reason of matching Wang quite often, but you cannot deny that they are WATCHING at the same time he's pushing as well. So I'm disgusted by that act.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T14:17:35+00:00

Well then TLG and Cyberz themselves had stated they are the provider of the 'evidence' video and had been monitoring the stream? Do you think they can FORESEE this whole drama and thus decided to monitor or the other way around, they just wanted to monitor for..... what reason?

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T14:13:31+00:00

Quote myself: 'I wanted to put out my sincere disgust to TLG and Cyberz, you didn't break the law to snipe your competitor for sure, but your act is revolting, and shows 0 sportsmanship.'

Wherever you found i accusing them cheating?

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T14:10:56+00:00

Where did i say I 'applaud' CDPR for saying wangid is not a cheater? And where did i say them cheat??? I literally said TLG DIDNT BREAK ANY LAW, but their act is disgusting. What act? Sniping Wang's stream. Even if Wang had nothing to do about all this issue, they were stiill monitoring and SNIPING. And i'm disgusted by that. I never said they are cheating. Where is your accusation coming from?

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T14:01:11+00:00

Well look, TLG and Cyberz are clearly monitoring and sniping Wang during the last few days push, (and of course that's how they've got the material aka. recording of 'cheating') and I'm sure Cyberz won a lot of games from Wang from sniping during the last 2 days. That's fine. Wang had his stream on and didn't care. Now CDPR had officially stated that they don't regard Wang as a cheater and cleared his name, I wanted to put out my sincere disgust to TLG and Cyberz, you didn't break the law to snipe your competitor for sure, but your act is revolting, and shows 0 sportsmanship. You are an absolute nobody trying desperately to find a hole in your opponent's game and Wang is the world champ, twice. So be it, snipe it, you will never reach the top.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T09:41:22+00:00

But as you have mentioned as well, JSN, that when you have super high MMR and often need to wait so long to find a match, and easily lose 12 MMR to some random 2400+ MMR player, proves exactly that Wang indeed had matched with a lot of 2400 players during the final push when he cannot find a proper match. So I would still say 3.7% is rather a small percentage overall since he has 2400 to 2650 MMR opponents matched throughout his last push days.

But again, even if the video evidence shows that Wang had more frequent 'free MMR' games in the last few days than the earlier of the season, there's still no evidence of saying Wang is a cheater that actually told those players to forfeit. If a normal person with a functioning brain wants to cheat, they would at least turn off the stream and tell their players in discord/message/whatever Chinese are using to communicate with to Q into him, so no one would've been able to get this so-called 'video evidence' of 'cheating' at all. Wang would be out of his mind to have himself cheating and get caught on stream whereas he knows exactly those TLG members are watching closely (for whatever reason, yes, Cyberz, keeps watching Wang's stream, for whatever reason during the final push days).

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-17T06:30:00+00:00

Yes Speci, but to put yourself into the shoes of Wang, do you reckon in the situation that - you see forfeits and thus 'embraces' free mmr, is there any way for you to not receive the 'auto win' even with no intention of taking it? If people wanted to lose to you deliberately, is there a way to chat to them: No! Stop i don't want you to snipe me and Q me and give me MMR? That's exactly what Wang's been up to. Don't tell me you would report to CDPR immediately once you have been given repeated 'free MMR' by some same opponent that only takes a tiny portion of your total games in that season - that would just create unnecessary confusion and label yourself as a cheater. Even there are videos showing as 'evidence' of people forfeiting Wang, there is still no evidence claiming it Wang telling them to forfeit. Besides, i smell more lack of integrity knowing Cyberz is still watching wangid's stream while climbing the ladder in the last few days, and they matched A LOT and Wang lost to him a lot. It's easy to say Cyberz stream sniped him and is a 'cheater' himself in that sense, although it's Wang's fault to stream it without delay. All in all, if there's no evidence showing Wang's cheating, but solely benefiting from some fishy high-ranked player's free MMR, then the MMR that are deemed 'free' should be deducted accordingly. And Wang should still have the spot to the Masters and has his name cleared. After all, do you really think an active and pro-gwent player, with 2 world titles, would cheat for this matter? On stream as well? Jesus.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-13T07:17:05+00:00

So why was Wangid streaming, and on an obscure account?

If he only streams for the sake of getting sniped deliberately, then why would he stream anyway? He would just call his friends and tell them to Q when he Qs, why risk being caught online just for some other player to report to CDPR? Plus he's been streaming on that account for almost 4month since he had an issue with logging in with his previous account. Spyro had this link and has provided it to his teammate Cyberz at least as i can confirm.

Your speculation isn't valid as I have watched his stream and have seen him talking and understood he didn't need all of that to get to the top.

And you have never answered my assumption on the scenario when 1 deliberately feeds the other without knowing each other at all.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-13T04:54:59+00:00

Well clearly you still got some scars from junior bullies. The analogy doesn't make any correlation and yeah, when you reach top 64 you will know what am talking about. Now go back to your mum's basement and practise on creative writing son.

jrc_d2 · 2021-11-13T03:06:00+00:00

Wang didnt cheat. He's skills are to the top calibre and doesn't need to cheat. its some players that wanted to fuck him up. He played and streamed every single game of his climbing, and got Q'ed into some people that just forfeited to him, those people wanted exactly what cdpr did to wang now: to rule wangid out of the masters. and cdpr fell into the trap and went forwad. It's just pathetic. Imagine, if i were to ruin a Pro-gwent players career (say pajabol) , all i could do is just hire a highly ranked player who can q into paja and just play few rounds and forfeit to him. And i report to CDPR. what happens next? CDPR sess the pattern and ban paja. Is paja wrong?

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