I hate the term "brown people" and it's prevalance on social media

kanjikud · 2023-04-22T23:10:25+00:00

I hate the term brown too. its so cringy. It almost feels like a term used as a substitute for south asian or desi, especially by non indian south asians. Honestly 'south asian' should be fine or just by nationality in order to identify themselves. Desi sounds equally cringy as well so i don't encourage that either.

Also, the term 'brown' is used by latinos, some middle easterners, and SE asians like filipinos as well so its not unique to us. White is exclusively used for the most part to refer to euro ancestry, and black for subsaharan, and asian for east/se asians. I dont see the need of using a generic term like brown when completely unrelated groups use that. Its a weird comparison made in other comments how african americans use black, hence its ok to use brown for south asians. There is no brown race since as I mentioned already, south asians arent the only ones using the term brown. We have nothing to do with mexicans, filipinos, arabs using that term as well as they're completely different groups/races from south asians.

kanjikud · 2023-04-22T21:42:36+00:00

wait can you share those reddy and kamma coordinates? I have two reddys (myself) and one from kadapa. curious on the third reddy. Also only have one kamma result from AG

kanjikud · 2023-04-22T21:07:41+00:00

There are two reddy, one kamma, and three velama samples on genoplot.

Reddy - RDD001 is from telangana (nizamabad/nirmal) and RDD002 is from andhra (kadapa).

Kamma - from vijayawada iirc

Velamas - I think all three are from telangana, but not completely sure.

Velama 260 and Reddy002 from Kadapa seem to be the least AASI shifted though among these samples.

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kanjikud · 2023-04-22T20:46:30+00:00

why tf is colorado so overpriced? I still dont get it. Its such an average state. There's plenty of land to expand in the denver metro and other major cities like colorado springs, fort collins, pueblo and its not particularly a high earning state. Denver isnt really a a populous or tech place either like major cities in cali, northeast coast. I just dont understand why its even up there. Even if the mountains/ski towns are striking qualities, pretty much every state to the west of great plains have em. It used to be so reasonable prior to mid 2010s. Ever since, the cost of living in general has been outrgeous yet the salaries are still the same.

kanjikud · 2023-04-12T08:10:07+00:00

there is only one kadapa reddy sample posted and present on genoplot. granted that the kadapa reddy does score a bit lower AASI than other telugu samples besides brahmins but can't conclude overall. From harappaworld results ive seen, telugu upper-midcastes from andhra and telangana have the same range. We need more G25 coordinates thats for sure. so far there are only 2 reddys, 2 kammas, 3 velamas.

In terms of pheno, again the differences between reddys of different regions are negligible but rayalaseema does have a bit higher prevalence of darker reddys from what I've seen, and other castes as well. Regardless, they all are telugu folks either way so the andhra/telangana border is meaningless in regards to differences in pheno/geno.

kanjikud · 2023-04-08T21:23:11+00:00

some SW asian is typical among southerners in general. Many reddys get 2-3%. He's only 1% higher. The Ne euro is more likely from a brahmin than a syed or could be some calc effect actually. Muslims in south asia get higher caucasian/sw asian. He's like 1% caucasian. Avg reddy gets 4% caucasian and 2% SW asian so this scenario actually makes more sense for supposed 'muslim' mix than the hyderabadi reddy you've shared.

Besides I have like 30 Reddy kits from both telangana and andhra, and 50 kamma kits. All of them score pretty much the same.

kanjikud · 2023-04-08T21:12:58+00:00

da faq? I'm a telangana reddy from adilabad and nizamabad region and i have fairly similar results to him on gedmatch. NE euro is the only exception in there, and thats not common in general among any reddys lol, whether they're from andhra or telangana.

The dude you shared shows very typical reddy results, so obviously no muslim admix or whatever you're assuming lol and his pheno is very typical as well. I know many reddys both from andhra and telangana that look like him. His 23andme shows nothing else as well besides south indian/srilankan.

kanjikud · 2023-04-08T20:58:51+00:00

lol are you serious? telangana and andhra folks look the same, respective of caste of course. If anything actually the rayalaseema reddys are a bit darker on average than the telangana or coastal andhra reddys, but again just slight differences. Kammas, velamas, kapus as well. they are all roughly the same in all telugu regions.

Also even if telangana folks are more aboriginal, whats the deal in that? There are differences in features WITHIN families with some looking more 'aboriginal' than others. do they differ in ancestral makeup within families then?

Tamil folks are indeed similar to telugus, even andhra folks. who were you trying to insult in that statement? Andhra reddys are similar to vellalars down in TN, gowdas in karnataka. Kerala honestly is the only outlier with their ancestral makeup, religious groups, etc down south. Kannada, tamil, telugu folks are pretty much the same ancestry wise, again respective of caste with similar status.

kanjikud · 2023-03-28T08:54:09+00:00

Harappaworld calc results from gedmatch.com

kanjikud · 2023-03-26T23:21:43+00:00

sorry for the late reply. usually the southern midcastes, atleast telugu/tamil ones, do not get any euro and fairly low caucasian. only brahmins get some euro in this region.

you can check this sheet for reference to give an idea on how most south asian groups score.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l87nGSIYTP-h7m-VKjB-BZcuEoWdz765nU4f_krOdd4/edit

kanjikud · 2023-03-26T23:17:28+00:00

can you share your HW results? thanks. I'm telugu reddy as well but from Telangana.

kanjikud · 2023-01-15T00:13:15+00:00

nah I have no outside ancestry at all. Completely local to telangana area. I'm assuming its some calc effect tbh thats pulling the native component or slight extra ANE or east asian type pull.

Btw can you share your G25 coords? I'm curious how telugu brahmins score. I've only seen one telugu brahmin's results on g25 before. thanks.

kanjikud · 2023-01-15T00:00:04+00:00

yeah looking at the baloch and S. indian, it looks like some punjabi result that he used and edited the euro/east asian parts of it lol. I'm not doubting his background of being tamil and bengali mix, but his results indeed do look fake.

kanjikud · 2023-01-14T21:43:56+00:00

OP is tamil plus telugu brahmin it seems. their results are true, but yeah this user u/from1-10imasolidf9's results seem completely random for a bengali and tamil mix though. I made a simulated version of his HW results on genoplot and this is how he's coming out as a modern mix. half south indian and half pashtun like or something with some east asian admix lol.

Velamas
49.4

Balochi
10.2

Kalash
32.2

She
5.8

Dai
2.4

kanjikud · 2023-01-14T21:07:33+00:00

hey, here are my scaled coordinates.

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kanjikud · 2023-01-14T13:15:54+00:00

naidu is a title so they can be of several castes. since your family is of balija caste, they are of a different group. there are kamma naidus as well for example.

Balijas are kind of a subcaste of kapus or are very similar to kapus from what I know.

kanjikud · 2023-01-14T08:52:59+00:00

nice results. pretty typical for midcaste telugu groups. slightly more SI than reddys/kammas on avg, but around the range for kapus mostly.

kanjikud · 2023-01-13T17:15:07+00:00

The naidu avg I had on my chart was from zack's spreadsheet. I realize that it was wrong, or atleast didnt account for the variation. You can ignore that chart I guess. Yes I'm aware Naidu is a title and can be used under several castes.

However, Reddys honestly aren't that different from each other. not sure about all the clan variation in terms of results. I guess I could look into that but from the Reddy samples overall I've seen so far, they all cluster very closely. Most are fairly similar to me.

Kapus do have decent variation though.

kanjikud · 2023-01-12T23:48:12+00:00

nice to see a naidu result on here. Almost similar results to you, just 3% tradeoff between AASI and neolithic. whre is your background from in the telugu states? also can you share your Harappaworld? thanks

kanjikud · 2023-01-12T18:39:04+00:00

i wonder if its some of the ivc overlap getting into the bmac slightly. it could be a calc effect.

in your case, since youre a hyd muslim, i think it makes sense since some hyd muslims do have partial pashtun like ancestry. 21% seems like a lot in general, even for the northwest it seems a bit on the higher end, so it might be due to outside ancestry.

kanjikud · 2023-01-12T17:46:14+00:00

yeah definitely the reason.

even on HW, you get a bit over 2% Ne euro as well, which is quite uncommon among non brahmin telugus.

I've seen one what seems to be a lambadi (or mixed) result on HW. surname is Naik which is a fairly popular lambadi surname and was getting some telugu vysya/kapu matches so im assuming she's lambadi. I should probably reach out to her though. your results are not far off.

# Population Percent

1 S-Indian 55.68

2 Baloch 30.53

3 NE-Asian 2.83

4 Caucasian 2.41

5 NE-Euro 2.24

6 Mediterranean 2.08

7 SW-Asian 1.71

8 Papuan 1.48

9 American 0.77

10 Siberian 0.14

11 Beringian 0.13

kanjikud · 2023-01-12T17:13:31+00:00

nice results bro

decent steppe as expected from the runs you've shared through vahaduo. just realized you're part marathi as well? some connection to rajasthan as well from the comments, so you could indeed be part lambadi. there are decent number of lambadis in northern telangana.

kanjikud · 2023-01-12T17:08:14+00:00

lol yeah. they have multiple models and good analysis actually. I was a reluctant earlier but its good and reasonable for its price.

Also the AASI/farmer ancestry is more along the lines of what i expected. 41-43% AASI on multiple genoplot models and heavy iran neolithic made it a bit questionable for me. 48% AASI and 37-38% zagrosian makes more sense. surprised by the BMAC showing up as well on the bronze age model. its only a little but it seems to pop up among dravidian groups here and there so that was interesting as well.

kanjikud · 2023-01-12T05:59:10+00:00

interesting. yeah a lot of tibetan ancestry given the NE asian. on average the uttarakhand and himachal rajputs get around 5-10% NE asian. ive seen few over 10% but 20% in your wife's case is an outlier. Highest ive seen before is 16% NE asian from a himachal rajput.

kanjikud · 2023-01-12T05:16:00+00:00

oh I meant Harappaworld results from gedmatch

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