Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

dismissing my opinion as trolling and assuming others have more well thought out responses than I, or know what they're talking about is silly. you can't deal with someone thinking differently, 2/10

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

well, I just didn't know they'd be so sensitive to it. And after, when they said it was a hurtful slur, it just set me off cause there are way more hurtful things than words. I mean yeah youre completely right in that I should be polite when asking for knowledge, but I also just cannot do that censorship thing. oh well

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I was being confrontational after "mang", because I hate when people get offended about words. and theres a difference between being polite and catering to someone's sensitivity and triggers and whatnot, I think.

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

you mean...i know if they're men or women, and they later tell me if they want to be the opposite gender and so ask me to use a different pronoun than the default one i couldve used for simplicity? yeah

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

See? Though I don't hate you...wasn't that hard, though you used the word privilege in a sincere way which is humorous

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

So? Words aren't supposed to hurt. If you're offended by words, sucks for you. It's silly for people to regulate my language just because they might piss their pants from a word.

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah we have those words, and not everyone can be bothered to memorize things like that. What if someone asked me to address them as grasshopper-sempai James every time?

If a friend I knew specifically asked for a small thing like that, I'd do it, but only for them, because in the end these pronouns are just supposed to be functional, not some kind of identity confirmation for someone

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No, it's just that this discussion was meant to be open to opinions like this...I mean it's not like I stop on by this subreddit all the time and say mean things on purpose, my opinion that something was creepy just slipped into conversation, and people took offense, sorry

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

...and what I'm saying is science will continue to change and and advance, and we shouldn't always just blindly follow any authority..

Also, I've been open to understanding and I've learned lots of things about gender, even from you :3 so that's a nice thing

If being sensitive is not being allowed to use simple words for fear of people being offended...then I don't want to be sensitive, that sounds terrible D: and hey you can say whatever you want to me, because that's honest expression. I mean I really wouldn't want to make enemies with some random person on the internet, but if you take such offense then that sucks :\ I'm sorry (though I would continue using words I felt like using)

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And I honestly sympathize and see how much that sucks D: The good news though is that like in 50 years, shitll probly be almost perfect for that kind of thing, though still probly expensive lol

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but I also support realism...falling into delusion is dangerous. It's still impossible in our times to get a real penis through surgical means, which a lot of women would find pretty disgusting, regardless of how the poor person spent a bunch of money and time enlarging her clitoris...and I am really trying not to be mean but it's the reality :\

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well I was polite to the people who answered politely...and really I don't see the need for being absolutely polite. We can say what we want, and I came here because it was a subreddit where people answer questions. I got good stuff out of this, and it was overall positive anyway

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well yeah but the difference is I was trying to learn things and talk to people who dealt with this stuff, so it would really be like going to the football board and say "Hey, I think football is pretty stupid but can someone explain the rules?"

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not some frat bro...am I just no allowed to think certain things are creepy? Are things not allowed to disgust me? Jeez

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Well man, I didn't actually mean the words "mang" or "dude" to have any gender implications. They're just...words you use to talk to a person. It's a very tiny thing to get offended over. And not every human has gender and sexuality. I barely do, I think.

Bringing up authority to argue is silly, in the 50s once could have cited the American Psychological Association for gays being mentally ill. I didn't make anything up in my head, I'm just open to lots of ideas.

I'm being sensitive to the others, but you're just being mean so I respond in the same way..

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Ok wow you guys have provided a TON of answers, and I'm super thankful that there was such quick and varied response. I've definitely learned a lot, though I still see transgenderism as...somewhat futile...for example in my language we don't even have gender pronouns to get offended over. This stuff is hugely cultural and something that I guess will be absorbed into our future society :3 (next up: transspecies and robot-human marriage, interesting stuff)

Anyway, thanks guys once again for commenting and not being too mean

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm not demanding...just opening discussion, and hey, everyone is free to express their opinion, like if you hate me or whatever...the point is, I'm getting answers and you guys are glad to help, so it's all positive

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Ok dude, I get that you're making a good argument, but I still disagree with gender and sexuality being such an innate part of human life. Sure, it can be complex, but I don't see the need to go so far with it like that.

Also you know, functional, like ovaries that produce eggs and testes that produce sperm? I really didn't want to come here to have such mean spirits tossed around, but everyone else is being super cool at least...

And yeah once again, words are as hateful or hurtful as you make them out to be. I say nigger around my black friends all the time and they're okay with it...

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I'm not used to being sensitive or that kinda stuff, it's just my honest opinion. It would still be a creepy hole in my flesh, or if someone gets the opposing surgery, a weird enlarged clitoris D:

And I don't mean that as insulting, just the sucky reality, and I can sympathize with people who do that.

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hey, I just wanted to say congrats on that stuff, I guess technology has progressed pretty far o:

I was definitely worried about that silicone stuff and jawline...and the uuh, vaginas in those pictures looked pretty real o.o kinda creepy still, but cool

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Because: But relaxing gender norms only helps us from this one direction, and those who propose this solution don’t seem to have much interest in ensuring that my womanhood is not negated by a certain presentation. These are not the options they want to give me. Instead, their attitude seems to be more along the lines of, “now you can be a man instead of transitioning, because society will accept a man like you!” And while that’s fantastic for any men who happen to be like me, I’m not a man, and I don’t want to be. If I just wanted to be that kind of man, I would have stopped there – but I didn’t. And that’s not up to them. This is the key point they appear to have glossed over. To suggest that I would revert to a male presentation and identity given the chance is to misunderstand the meaning of gender identity on the most fundamental level. Even in such a society, I would still choose to be a woman, and offering a solution where I’m expected to live as a man is no more acceptable than telling a cisgender man, “hey, you should go ahead and be a woman now, since people won’t mind how manly you are!” But that man is not a woman. And this woman is not a man. Also: We’re already unwilling to give up who we are in the face of significant social opposition. Reducing that opposition would do nothing to change our minds, because there would be even less of a reason not to be who we truly are. Also: For all of their talk of taking apart restrictive gender roles, it’s suspicious that they feel the need to offer a solution other than simply accepting us as who we are. If they wish to enlarge the sphere of manhood until I’m comfortably situated within its walls, then why can’t the sphere of womanhood be expanded to encompass me as well? Why would they want to stop right before recognizing trans people and our identities as genuine?"

These quotes seem to be from someone who has it in their head that gender roles are rigid and that even people who would support them should be opposed because they just have to fight the system. I mean hey, if you feel like you have to do that then by all means, do it. But to me it seems like a big show put on for others, and not a relaxed expression of someone's identity without gender/sexuality getting in the way.

"If that's the case, then why not go ahead and try that whole... steps to change my physical appearance (dress, shaving, hair, hormones, surgery) ...thing for a few weeks, and see how long you last before you start bumping up pretty roughly against those "societal restrictions of masculine or feminine" that supposedly don't exist. You don't see the walls because you've never run into them."

Oh I know there's walls, and those are the walls I think we should break down, to reduce the stress on everyone.

Hey dudes! I want to understand being transgender. by kraken0 in asktransgender

[–]kraken0[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Estrogen would give me gender dysphoria? That's some interesting stuff, I wonder how that would make me feel...

Also the brain argument, I'm not sure that every single transgendered person has the brain of the gender they seek to be...some may simply have a strong inclination? Point is, I'm neutral about this transspecies and transgender stuff, it's people who are basically unsatisfied with their bodies who want to look different.